Place is starting to look like a third world Slum

CooCooforCoCoPuffs said:
think the OP has a valid point regarding the habits of some migrant renters.
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Except we don't even know if they are migrants - in Bretricks own words, all we know is they are not white.

Neither are lots of Australians - we come in all colours and from origins all over the world.

Just like Americans.
 

Blaze Duskdreamer said:
I'm trying to say this as politely as I can because you sound horribly naive. There are differences in the countries listed - cultural differences. Perhaps do some research on the internet.

In addition, though I'm sure you don't mean it to, that phrase you keep repeating - poorly managed high densitiy housing - sounds like you scorn renters, look down your nose at those of who don't own for whatever reason we don't.
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Oh sure, I am so naive - not like experts like you :rolleyes:

You would know all about Australia.:rolleyes:

However I did not say or any way imply scorn on renters - if you are reading that from my posts, that is on you, it is not something I said or implied in any way.
 
CooCooforCoCoPuffs said:
When in a rental situation, one gets all kinds of personalities, cultures (especially with the migration issues happening today), differing mores and cultural rules. Expectations from one culture to the next are not always equal.

I think the OP has a valid point regarding the habits of some migrant renters. We see it everywhere these days, migrants turning parts of America, Denmark, 'Britland', AUS, Germany....et al into slums.

Taking a course in Cultural Anthropology is most enlightening, if one has not had the opportunity to do so, it is incredibly fascinating. Another to take is World Religions - in depth angle.

It almost seems as if: "You give them (today's migrants) an inch and they will take a mile.." is rampant.
Migrants are either not educated OR do not want to educate themselves on their host culture, want to hang on to it and impose their values on the hosts, if you will. If the host wanted the other culture, the host would have moved there? Therefore it would behoove anyone visiting a country to act as a guest and not some "Ugly American" and we have seen plenty of that! Is disgusting.

American mores dictate that immigrants are welcome anywhere they behave as guests, until they learn and behave in a way that others are not thrown into turmoil, disrupting American society per se.

A host county is just that: a host. Until one becomes welcomed by behaving to that host country expectations and rules of entities within that culture, the migrant is simply a guest and should behave as such.

The reason I listed several countries in my previous post @January is that I, like many in the military community am well experienced with mores, values, behaviors of those other countries and the differences are clear as day and night. For example: some countries don't enforce littering or trash dumping as their culture (sometimes) has people who collect trash off the streets for a "living"? Puerto Rico is a fine example; Mexico another. And not ALL parts of one country are the same...people from different parts/locales have different cultural mores.

Cultural mores, norms and rules are guidelines that dictate how people should behave and interact with each other within a society so that members of society know what the expectations are and so everyone thus gets along. Society becomes difficult to manage if people do not subscribe to mores, norms and rules/guidelines which create civility, getting along smoothly.

Mores are important moral norms and customs considered highly important in a culture. Mores are strict and if one breaks a more it is serious and could lead to very negative social or even law consequences.
Cultural rules is a broader realm of societal expectations, things that can be broken without great social backlash - depending on the host.

A Japanese more is the expectation that elders should ALWAYS be respected.

I think what the OP is feeling is overwhelmed by those who are not choosing to follow the expected AUS cultural mores, norms/rules. Often migrants to America, NE Europe, Japan are ignorant of such, or do not care/want to adapt to the American or host culture.

Best policy is blend in, make friends, then demonstrate your own customs. Don't walk into a country and expect open arms when you act like a pig.
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PewDiePie did an excellent video a year after he moved to Japan about this:


At 10:17, he specifically addresses rules. It is important to note that he moved there and conformed to theiir way of life instead of making demands that they change for him and Marzia. They did work out his two hours in the room when their son Bjorn was born. They are successfully liiving happily in Japan because they embrace Japan's culture.
 
January said:
Oh sure, I am so naive - not like experts like you :rolleyes:

You would know all about Australia.:rolleyes:

However I did not say or any way imply scorn on renters - if you are reading that from my posts, that is on you, it is not something I said or implied in any way.
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You just clearly demonstrated that you didn't even give me the courtesy of reading my entire post. I rest my case.
 
No, I responded to that part - no point in clogging up threads with long copy/ pastes of other posts.

If you are reading something into that, that is on you.
 
January said:
No, I responded to that part - no point in clogging up threads with long copy/ pastes of other posts.

If you are reading something into that, that is on you.
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I was rather reading into your posts that you were a migrant empathizer of the wrong order: that to expect migrants to adjust is too much to expect. People usually rise to one's expectations, as long as those expectations stand firm.
 
Blaze Duskdreamer said:
PewDiePie did an excellent video a year after he moved to Japan about this:
At 10:17, he specifically addresses rules.....
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This is really SPOT on about Japan, LOL. I absolutely loved Japan. People follow rules and everyone knows what to EXPECT! They are so clean and polite, they are industrious; they KNOW what customer service means and take PRIDE in themselves and their country; but are HUMBLE. A beautiful people. Just don't be untrustworthy.
 
CooCooforCoCoPuffs said:
I was rather reading into your posts that you were a migrant empathizer of the wrong order: that to expect migrants to adjust is too much to expect. People usually rise to one's expectations, as long as those expectations stand firm.
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Australia (and US) are built on migration - nearly all of us are migrants or a generation or 2 descendants of migrants.
Migrants of all colours and backgrounds.
Australia is a multi cultural country, we dont expect everybody to conform to one mono culture. - and we don't even know if these people are new migrants, just that they are mostly not white
Of course everybody has to follow the laws and rules of their tenancy - that is a tenancy issue, not a migrants issue.
 
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