Plant based meat substitutes offer no advantage over meat substitutes.

A Vegan friend at work had "Bacon".... OMG.... looked and smelled just like it.... Tasted like S#1T... had to spit it out... The ingredients read like a chemical experiment. We do a lot of our own canning and preserving, including meats.... seriously considering a freeze dryer.
 
January said:
If you like 'fake burgers' eat them in moderation - some vegetarians will like them and others won't

If you like meat burgers, eat them in moderation - some meat eaters will like them and some wont. Some might even like a fake burger too
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...and therein is the answer, moderation in everything! As a vegetarian all my life I will simply say this about meat substitute burgers, the best vegeburgers I have had are ones that do not pretend to be a meat burger to satisfy those that are reducing their meat intake. But then I have never had a 'real' burger to compare! My favorite is still my own 'nutburger' developed over years of trial and error so try building your own!
 

Just my experience with fake "burgers'..... I have only had one brand: "Impossible Burger" and I must say, it is delicious. I won't buy it anymore as I think it's too expensive for what it is.

My grandson eats it sometimes and says it's much tastier than "Beyond Burger" brand.
 
Cattle ranching is the primary cause of deforestation in the Amazon rainforest, accounting for 80% of current deforestation:

Cattle ranching destroys the rainforest to make way for pastures.

Deforestation from cattle ranching releases 340 million tons of carbon into the atmosphere each year.

The beef industry really is hard on our planet. We don't have to switch to fake burgers just don't eat so many of the real ones.
My son is vegan and he never tries to find things that taste like meat, he just eats fruits, veggies, grains, nuts and beans that taste like themselves.

We all three eat meatless meals most of the time. It is a very easy way of cooking.

Here's what we're having tonight. Easy to cook and only uses one skillet. Just cook the ingredients in order:
  • 1 tablespoon canola oil
  • 1 small zucchini, quartered lengthwise, sliced (about 1 1/2 cups)
  • 1/2 cup chopped onion
  • 1/2 cup diced green bell pepper
  • 1 can (15 oz each) Rosarita® Premium Whole Black Beans, drained, rinsed
  • 1 can (14.5 oz each) Hunt's® Fire Roasted Diced Tomatoes with Garlic, undrained
  • 3/4 cup water
  • 1/4 teaspoon dried oregano
  • 1 cup instant white rice, uncooked
  • After adding rice remove from heat, cover and wait seven minutes, then top with 1/2 cup shredded cheese if desired.
 
I make a black bean, mushroom burger that is great. And it's full of real veggies and spices, not factory made digestible substances. My meat free chili beans aren't bad either.

I know too many old people who are weak and down right fragile because they don't get enough quality protein from animals. They eat ground up rocks to get more calcium instead of a few servings a day of dairy products. (Yes, I realize some people can't tolerate dairy.)

Eating a varied diet consisting of some non processed meats, nuts, legumes, veggies and fruits is the best way to go. My point is that people are fooling themselves if they think factory made food are better for them. Notice that the companies that make these meat substitutes don't make any health claims for them. I believe their lawyers have warned them to NOT make health claims. So why eat the stuff?

If people don't want to eat meat for environmental reasons, that's fine with me. Hopefully, they also don't use any products made of leather, or any contain any other animal product.

9 Everyday Products You Didn't Know Had Animal Ingredients
20 Surprising Things That Contain Animal Products - Housely
 
Debrah N. said:
You just need to find a few simple and fool proof recipes to give yourself some encouragement. Youtube has some great videos on cooking. If you Google 'Rainbow Plant Life Youtube', you'll come up with a wonderful assortment of easy to do dishes. She makes a red lentil curry on one of them that is so easy and tastes pretty authentic. The only thing special that you need for that one is a spice mix called Garam Masala and it'll make your kitchen smell wonderful even before you cook with it.

I pretty much gave up on loafs and patties/burgers home made.
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Thank you for the suggestion. I do follow some channels and I can't tell you how many Pinterest recipes I have pinned. But my anxiety wants to stop me from trying them.

I did find some Dr. Prager's veggie burgers at Grocery Outlet so my freezer is stocked with them for now. $7.99 for a box of 12 is a deal.

But I do want to make a lentil loaf.
 
@Brookswood People who don't eat meat have already done their own research. At least if they are serious.

I ID as plant based. I don't like too much of what I experienced in the so called vegan community.

I will and do wear leather shoes. Every job I have ever had has been on my feet and I have to go for the best shoes I can find. I'm worn out and tired. But my blood work is always OK except my cholesterol isn't sky high but over. And I don't worry about it.

I read ingredients like crazy. When I stopped using palm oil a number of years ago, that opened up a whole new can of ingredient reading. That stuff is in so much.
 
I suspect the entire vegemitarian spectrum is a mental disorder, much like OCD.

Many people do eat far too much meat though, and reducing the volume of it in their diet might be good for many reasons beyond their own health and pocketbook.

Those partaking of anti-meat religion will often conjure all sorts of bogeymen as excuses while they finger their amulets and make hand signs intended to repel misfortune and evil spirits.

I think it comes about because some enjoy far too soft a life without the distraction of real responsibilities, live packed together in the warrens we call "modern cities," and drastically over-expose themselves to social media and others suffering the same behavioral conditions.
 
Since I've been having all these gut issues these last few months, I was told to eliminate red meat from my diet and include more vegs, which I've been doing. It's not as hard as I thought it'd be.
It's also inspired me to be more creative with my vegetable dishes. And, I do feel better.
 
dobielvr said:
Since I've been having all these gut issues these last few months, I was told to eliminate red meat from my diet and include more vegs, which I've been doing. It's not as hard as I thought it'd be.
It's also inspired me to be more creative with my vegetable dishes. And, I do feel better.
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I've discovered that many veggies are much better when fried in a little oil and soy sauce -- cabbage, green beans, kale, spinach etc.
We all three love sweet potatoes baked in the oven at 400 for about an hour. Real good source of fiber.
 
Della said:
I've discovered that many veggies are much better when fried in a little oil and soy sauce -- cabbage, green beans, kale, spinach etc.
We all three love sweet potatoes baked in the oven at 400 for about an hour. Real good source of fiber.
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You're absolutely right! I just added some soy sauce to my avocado the other day...it was good.
And, I always add worcestershire sauce to my green beans.

Thx for the tip.
 
dobielvr said:
You're absolutely right! I just added some soy sauce to my avocado the other day...it was good.
And, I always add worcestershire sauce to my green beans.

Thx for the tip.
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There are very few veggies or meats, that can’t be improved with a dash of soy sauce. I often use it in place of the salt in some recipes since soy sauce is rather salty.
 
Brookswood said:
My point is that people are fooling themselves if they think factory made food are better for them. Notice that the companies that make these meat substitutes don't make any health claims for them. I believe their lawyers have warned them to NOT make health claims. So why eat the stuff?
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Is anybody saying that???

I'm sure most people eat processed food because it is convenient, they like it etc - not because they think it is healthier than home made.

That goes for both processed meat containing food and processed vegetarian food
 
January said:
Is anybody saying that???

I'm sure most people eat processed food because it is convenient, they like it etc - not because they think it is healthier than home made.

That goes for both processed meat containing food and processed vegetarian food
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I know a lot of people who think the fake vegan meats are better. Their reasoning is “Meat is bad For my health. This fake meat has no meat in it therefore it must be better for me than meat.” That does not make sense, but, people tend to jump to conclusions.
 
Remy said:
Thank you for the suggestion. I do follow some channels and I can't tell you how many Pinterest recipes I have pinned. But my anxiety wants to stop me from trying them.

I did find some Dr. Prager's veggie burgers at Grocery Outlet so my freezer is stocked with them for now. $7.99 for a box of 12 is a deal.

But I do want to make a lentil loaf.
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I have the same problem as you, collecting Pinterest recipes that mostly I never get back to! But they look so good that it's hard not to pin them JUST IN CASE. Good luck with your future lentil loaf though. Hopefully that's a pin that you've saved....if you can only find it right?
 
dilettante said:
I suspect the entire vegemitarian spectrum is a mental disorder, much like OCD.

Many people do eat far too much meat though, and reducing the volume of it in their diet might be good for many reasons beyond their own health and pocketbook.

Those partaking of anti-meat religion will often conjure all sorts of bogeymen as excuses while they finger their amulets and make hand signs intended to repel misfortune and evil spirits.

I think it comes about because some enjoy far too soft a life without the distraction of real responsibilities, live packed together in the warrens we call "modern cities," and drastically over-expose themselves to social media and others suffering the same behavioral conditions.
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Many of us quit eating meat because we understand the violence and cruelty inherent in the meat and dairy industry and we chose not to be the cause of their suffering. Not the BS you mentioned.
 

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