Police drones

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rt3

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North Dakota has become the first state to allow police the use of drones carrying non lethal weapons. Whatta think?
 

If it can help deter/prevent crime, I'm all for it. There will probably be a lot of hand-wringers who will cry foul
over the measure without taking its value into consideration.
 
Works for me. There's more than enough reason for them to need the tools in this day and age but some in their paranoia will scream "Big Brother"....
 

Couldn't stop laughing when I read this,
With a lot of experience in the Dakotas I think,
Reason why bird shot was invented.
police ran ran out of appropriations and introduced legislation for this, interesting to see if it gets Used for that
would be a tit for tat situation , good guys and bad guys sitting at side with there radio controls of road having a dog fight, loser has to make a run to Starbucks
first time one of these gets used on an Indian reservation there will be so much kaka come down,

If other states adopt

bad guys would use broad range white noise generators to knock out the drones
dept. Of home land secutity uses triangulation to locate white noise generators
bad guys know homeland uses them sets up trap.

(I know that you that they know can only go 3 deep).

Stock in Amazon goes down as their delivery drones will be used as target practice.
 
Falcon said:
If it can help deter/prevent crime, I'm all for it. There will probably be a lot of hand-wringers who will cry foul
over the measure without taking its value into consideration.
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I think those 'hand-wringers' do look at the 'value' but they also have in mind the slippery slope of an ever increasing loss of privacy.
 
Scary, sooo open to abuse by those both inside and outside the law. I am not American, so perhaps I do not have the right to scream?? Dunno, but if this becomes prevalent amongst the Cnadianim Aaaaaaaaah! Big brother!!!
 
Why worry about the Native Americans in North Dakota. There are not that many living there. Worry about Native Americans, then consider Arizona and New Mexico where the many thousands of Navajo live along with smaller groups of Native Americans.

Plenty of reason for police to learn new methods of following criminals or observing crimes being committed. If some one is running from a crime and hoping to disappear, this device would be a big help where no roads for miles exist.
 
It's not about the people. Indian reservations are just that. Reservations just like military reservations, the have restricted fly zones, local law is blocked out. They both have their own investigation teams.
 
We have already given up so much in the name of safety, do you really think that it will stop with just the use stated? I doubt it and yes it could be good target practice for those who hunt, lol
 
Forgot to add that their investigation teams are not under the jurisdiction of local sheriffs. Currently they have no authority of the reservation. This deputizing of fed. Officers has already been tried in Colorado. 3 years ago.
 
rt3 said:
It's not about the people. Indian reservations are just that. Reservations just like military reservations, the have restricted fly zones, local law is blocked out. They both have their own investigation teams.
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There are some Native American reservations for sure. There are also some real Native American Nations. Like the Navajo Nation.


  1. Navajo Nation
    Native American-governed US territory
  2. The Navajo Nation is a semi-autonomous Native American-governed territory covering 27,425 square miles, occupying portions of northeastern Arizona, southeastern Utah, and northwestern New Mexico in the United States. Wikipedia
  3. Area: 27,413 mi²
  4. Population: 300,048 (2011)
  5. Seat: Window Rock

The Navajo do run their nation and freely do so. There restrictions are to not over ride any US or state laws. If the US does not allow highway speeds over 6o mph, then the Navajo Nation can not allow 75 mph on the highways through its territory. They do have their own police, big enough to do so, and their own courts for their people. Most of those Navajo people I have worked with and those I met on the Navajo lands are pretty good folks.

I am sure there are other Native Nations but just not able to find the listing right now. Navajo is the largest for sure and the smaller ones are elsewhere. I think one is in Oklahoma.

Here is one connection to the Natives of the US.

https://www.doi.gov/ost
 
If this is true... then a police drone may need a warrant and a legitimate reason to fly over your property..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_rights

Unlimited air rights existed when people began owning real estate. It was not something that anyone really concerned themselves with before the 20th century. The first legal limits placed on air rights came about because of the airplane. Eventually, owners' property rights in the airspace were limited to what they could reasonably use. It would be impractical for the development of air travel for individual landowners to own all the space above them, therefore legislators established a public easement in the airspace above 500 ft in order to prevent claims of trespassing.

The landowner's claim raises some fundamental legal principles about the ownership of land and the airspace above the land. These principles have been developing over time. In early common law, when there was little practical use of the upper air over a person's land, the law considered that a landowner owned all of the airspace above their land. That doctrine quickly became obsolete when the airplane came on the scene, along with the realization that each property owner whose land was overflown could demand that aircraft keep out of the landowner's airspace, or exact a price for the use of the airspace. The law, drawing heavily on the law of the sea, then declared that the upper reaches of the airspace were free for the navigation of aircraft. In the case of United States v. Causby,[SUP][5][/SUP] the U.S. Supreme Court declared the navigable airspace to be "a public highway" and within the public domain. At the same time, the law, and the Supreme Court, recognized that a landowner had property rights in the lower reaches of the airspace above their property. The law, in balancing the public interest in using the airspace for air navigation against the landowner's rights, declared that a landowner controls use of the airspace above their property in connection with their uninterrupted use and enjoyment of the underlying land. In other words, a person's real property ownership includes a reasonable amount of the private airspace above the property in order to prevent nuisance. A landowner may make any legitimate use of their property that they want, even if it interferes with aircraft overflying the land."[SUP][6][/SUP]
 
Is someone started flying a drone around our area...and trying to "snoop" on anyone's activities, it would probably quickly get the business end of a shotgun.
 
After reading all that stuff about homeowners privileges I thought about google earth. They are constantly flying over all parts of the world and make it available to all. Just sign up for it and start looking at the output of you home and neighborhood. I can get close enough to see my out door barbecue in the side yard. I can also see my tire tracks in the driveway. The controls tell me the 'eye' altitude is at 1,500 feet. That is likely an altitude of these hover machines. So we are already under the eye of some satellite observatory all the time. These hover machines are only going to be around for specific reasons and not doing any real harm to anyone. My guess is these satellite system observers can do a lot better than what we see in Google Earth applications available to us common folks.
 

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