Police: "Let me see your I.D." a lawful order?

Murrmurr said:
In the US, when someone says "I.D." they're generally talking about your driver's license.
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Does your state have a REAL ID yet? I don't like this. You have to take your drivers license to the RMV, by appointment only, and bring recent utility bills with your drivers license in order to get one and if you don't you could be banned from entering certain places and doing certain things. šŸ˜”
 

chic said:
Does your state have a REAL ID yet? I don't like this. You have to take your drivers license to the RMV, by appointment only, and bring recent utility bills with your drivers license in order to get one and if you don't you could be banned from entering certain places and doing certain things. šŸ˜”
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All states have that as it is a product of the feds.
 

chic said:
Does your state have a REAL ID yet? I don't like this. You have to take your drivers license to the RMV, by appointment only, and bring recent utility bills with your drivers license in order to get one and if you don't you could be banned from entering certain places and doing certain things. šŸ˜”
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The idea of some sort of National I.D. system has been debated for decades. Most Americans don't like the idea. The "real I.D." comes too close, imo. An ID that separates "real" from, what..."unreal"? It would inevitably lead to "good" from "bad", imo.
 
I have a "real ID" Florida drivers license. Getting it was no big deal as long as they tell you up front what you need to bring.
  • What documents do I need to bring with me when I apply for a REAL ID compliant license or ID card?
    You will need to bring one of the following primary documents to establish your identity, proof of legal residence and date of birth: For a detailed list of required items, click here.
    For U.S. Citizens:
    • Valid, unexpired U.S. passport
    • Original or Certified copy of a birth certificate
    • Consular Report of Birth Abroad
    • Certificate of Naturalization issued by DHS
    • Certificate of Citizenship
    • For cases where the current name and the name on the primary identity document are different, you should also bring:
      • Court ordered name change document
      • Marriage certificate, issued by the courts and/or
      • Divorce decree, issued by the courts
    In all cases, the document must show a clear trail of name changes originating with the birth name to the current name. For more detailed information on the required identity documents, click here.
    For Non-Citizens:
    • Valid, unexpired Permanent Resident Card ā€“ I-551 for Lawful Permanent Residents
    • Valid Passport for non-immigrants except for asylum applicants and refugees
    • Other government issued document showing your full name
    • Department of Homeland Security document showing proof of lawful presence
    • If your name has changed by marriage/divorce, you must have your name changed on your Citizen and Immigration Services (CIS) documents.
    Both Citizens and Non-Citizens will need to bring:
    • Your Social Security Card or proof of your social security number.
      • A list of documents that provide proof of the social security number can be found on our website here
    • Two documents that show your principal residence
      • A list of these kinds of documents can be found on our website here
 
chic said:
Does your state have a REAL ID yet? I don't like this. You have to take your drivers license to the RMV, by appointment only, and bring recent utility bills with your drivers license in order to get one and if you don't you could be banned from entering certain places and doing certain things. šŸ˜”
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When Texas renewed my DL last year, they automatically made it a REAL ID ... I didn't have to do anything.
 
Bonnie said:
When Texas renewed my DL last year, they automatically made it a REAL ID ... I didn't have to do anything.
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Last time I renewed mine, they asked whether I wanted it or not, since I do not fly, or plan on entering a federal facility, etc. I don't need one. I think beginning in Oct. they will be Mandatory to fly.
 
chic said:
Ditto in my state.
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As far as I recall, it's been the same here in Massachusetts since I got my first license in 1949 or 50. Always leave the registration in the dash and my license in my wallet.

Don't even understand where "rights" come into play. If a cop wants to see my license, or my registration for that matter, so-be-it. I'm not usually involved in henious crimes but it may help him to eliminate me as someone he's looking for. Fortunately, I don't live in a high crime area (and don't imagine all kind of horrors happening here). So far I've been able to occasionally take my grandson to day care without tne need to carry a weapon (or weapons).
 
Bonnie said:
When Texas renewed my DL last year, they automatically made it a REAL ID ... I didn't have to do anything.
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I had to renew mine online cuz of the pandemic and didn't have the utility bills to give them. I guess a person could scan them? What is the point of a real ID anyway? Is it that it can't be counterfeited?
 
ohioboy said:
Last time I renewed mine, they asked whether I wanted it or not, since I do not fly, or plan on entering a federal facility, etc. I don't need one. I think beginning in Oct. they will be Mandatory to fly.
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A post office is a federal building. šŸ˜‰
 
I don't like police states and I don't like informers! I have traveled a lot in Russia and Poland. Everytime you visit anyone they have to shut the windows in case anyone is listening. I find it upsetting that so many people accepted informers during our Covid-19 days. Makes me think that bringing in a police state to many non-police state countries would not really be all that difficult. Many people don't know what they are giving up when they accept new rules "for the common good."
 
Murrmurr said:
The idea of some sort of National I.D. system has been debated for decades. Most Americans don't like the idea. The "real I.D." comes too close, imo. An ID that separates "real" from, what..."unreal"? It would inevitably lead to "good" from "bad", imo.
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Exactly the same here Frank.... it's been discussed for decades but the majority are soundly against it...
 
chic said:
A post office is a federal building. šŸ˜‰
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As is the Social Security office. Had a pocket knife and had to return it to the car before i could enter. It was an inconvenience for me (especially since I walk with a cane)but I saw no deep, dark, government conspiracy at work. Just the result of too many "bad" fellow citizens.
 
I know we're not required to show I.D. unless driving, but I don't really care & I'm not interested in getting into a confrontation, which usually happens when people assert their rights with a cop.
I actually had lots of fun with a similar situation at my work place 18 years ago.
The owner of the company was a woman who wasn't very bright & lived in her own little world of "People are honest & good."
She would leave her purse on her desk when she wasn't in her office. I mentioned to her that it wasn't a good idea with her money & credit cards in it. She'd always say, "Oh, I'm not worried; I trust people; I don't want to be negative."
She'd also hand me a stack of her bills (with her credit card numbers) to take to the post office. I mentioned that she had nothing to worry about with me doing that, but I hope she didn't hand them to everyone. Same reply from her, "Ah, c'mon.....people are honest."

So......one day I get to work & she's in her office crying. I asked her what was wrong & she said she just got several credit card statements with charges all over the U.S. that she never made - gas, dining, hotels, expensive clothes, jewelry, etc. over $300,000.00 worth.
All I could say was "Sorry."
A few days later, she called a big meeting & said a police detective would be here to question every employee.
I knew I could refuse to answer any questions without my attorney present, but that would create suspicion & besides I didn't care. And I knew I was about to have fun.
The cop showed up & sat in the owner's office & questioned each employee separately.
When it was my turn, he first (proudly) introduced himself as a police officer & showed me his badge. I said, "Yes, I know who you are."
Then the conversation went like this:
Me: "Aren't you going to hook me up to a lie detector?"
Cop: (looking puzzled because he didn't know if I was being sarcastic or not. Of course I was), "Uh.....no."
Me: "Then how will you know if I'm telling you the truth?"
Cop: "So, how long have you been working here?"
Me: "Three years."
Cop: "Do you like your job."
Me: "Well, yes, but not as much as you like yours."
Cop: "Have you ever taken anything from this office?"
Me: "Yes, I have."
Cop: "OH? What have you taken?"
Me: "Well, sometimes the owner gives me mail & I've taken it to the post office." She also has me take merchandise to Convention centers to set up booths for advertising during trade shows. And once I took her car to have new tires put on."
Cop: "That's not what I meant."
Me: "What did you mean?"
Cop: "Have you ever taken anything that wasn't yours?"
Me: "Yes, I have."
Cop: "OH? What have you taken?"
Me: "On several occasions, I've arrived home from work & found a pen in my pocket that came from the office. I've also taken copies of advertising flyers that I've designed so I'd have examples of my work to keep in a portfolio."
Cop: (looking frustrated), "That's not what I meant."
Cop: "Do you realize that due to the fact that these stolen credit cards were used out of state, that makes it a Federal crime & the prison sentences are much longer?"
Me: "Yes, I know that."
Cop: "OH? How do you know that?
Me: "Well, you see, when those four dirtbag cops pounded on Rodney King & were found guilty in Federal Court of violating his rights........."
Cop: "OK, that's enough information, nice chatting with you.....have a nice day......"
Me: "Officer, I'm not finished yet......as I said, an attorney on TV explained that the two cops that were convicted will serve longer sentences because it was a Federal.........."
Cop: "OK, nice meeting you."
Me: "Yes, I'm sure it was." (laughing).

And I'm STILL laughing about that! :ROFLMAO:
 
ohioboy said:
Police: "Let me see your I.D." a lawful order?
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Here's what losangelesduiattorney.com has to say about that:

"In many interactions with the police, they may request to see your ID card. While this may be an innocuous question, you are entitled under California law to politely refuse the request. If you wish to exercise your right not to show your ID, you can simply say ā€œI do not wish to provide my ID at this time.ā€ You are also allowed to ask if you are free to leave and for clarification about the reason for the stop if the officer refuses to let you go.

You are, however, free to provide your ID to the officer if you would like to do so. In some cases, it may expedite your interaction with the officer. If they are looking for someone in particular or you need an easy way to show that you belong at a certain location, showing the officer your ID may be sufficient to clear up any confusion.

Failing to provide an officer with your ID is not a surefire way to avoid being arrested. If an officer suspects that you have committed a crime, at least to level of probable cause, your refusal to present an ID when asked will not stop the arrest.

In addition, officers will sometimes mistakenly arrest people for failing to show ID when asked to do so. While this arrest, usually filed as resisting a peace officer, can be dismissed in many cases, it may be something you wish to avoid by providing your ID."
 
Nathan, from your article:

Passengers Do Not Automatically Have to Provide ID
If you are a passenger in a vehicle that has been stopped by the police, you typically do not have to agree to show your ID if asked. Simply being a passenger in a car that has been pulled over is not enough justification for an officer in California to get your ID. They may ask for it, and you have the option to decide on your own if you wish to provide it
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A note to remember though, Hiibel will apply to a passenger too if warranted, otherwise they are off limits for production.
 
I prefer all citizens carry a legal ID. Punks and gang members never reveal their real names. Little kids need to carry IDs for obvious reasons.
 
In Pennsylvania, if a person is being detained as a suspect, they are still not required to show I.D. However, it is the police's duty to hold that person until their identity has been proven, which can sometimes take quite awhile. It's easier for everyone to show the police their I.D. so we can all move on, but that's up to the individual. If the person declines, we normally start with the fingerprints.
 
911 said:
In Pennsylvania, if a person is being detained as a suspect, they are still not required to show I.D. However, it is the police's duty to hold that person until their identity has been proven, which can sometimes take quite awhile. It's easier for everyone to show the police their I.D. so we can all move on, but that's up to the individual. If the person declines, we normally start with the fingerprints.
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If they are not required to provide I.D. how can the police compel non-arrrest fingerprints?
 
For me, it's just a case of picking my battles.

I carry an ID and have no problem showing it to a member of law enforcement if they ask to see it.

IMO it's better to comply with a reasonable request from the cop on the street and save the legal challenges for the courtroom.
 
Aunt Bea said:
For me, it's just a case of picking my battles.

I carry an ID and have no problem showing it to a member of law enforcement if they ask to see it.

IMO it's better to comply with a reasonable request from the cop on the street and save the legal challenges for the courtroom.
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That's a key element "reasonable" request. Some tough guys simply say "Let me see your I.D. or you are going to jail", with no explanation, that type of encounter.
 

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