Political posturing over the CIA investigation is nothing new!

[Debby]

In reply to your comments about the CIA using LSD on patients in a Canadian hospital WhatInThe, here is a link that talks about that. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ompensation-in-50s-brainwashing-case-1.670151

My husbands mother was in Allen Memorial hospital at the time. I think she was in there because she had had a nervous breakdown so she may well have been a victim of the CIA experiments. She was a pretty whacked out lady in the brief years that I knew her and maybe that treatment had something to do with it. Those were the years that my husband and his older brother were in a Montreal Boys Home because his dad was an alcoholic and didn't want the kids when his wife was hospitalized.

I will point out one thing here to all the American members who are PO'd because I talk about the things that I do. I almost never comment on your politics as long as it stays within your borders. That is not my place and I don't keep up with what your various states are deciding to do when it comes to local issues. The only time I jump in is when your politics affect other countries or in the rare instance that some kind of animal abuse occurs that AR groups are fighting against. Like I'll speak up for orca's at Seaworld, pigeons in Pennsylvannia or wolves in Idaho, or food animals overall. But your local politics gets a pass from me pretty much.

 

[tnthomas]

Americans HUMANs are a violent, vicious bunch

I agree with the statement with the modification above.

 

[QuickSilver]

Oh relax. This is a discussion remember? I don't know what you do in contacting your representative, just like I don't know what Denise or Whatinthe or BobF or any of you actually do. It's sort of a general 'you' when I challenge 'you' to write, send emails, contact your representatives.

I'm glad that you contact your reps. Good for you. But my point is, not everyone does. My mom for example prides herself on being politically astute but she never contacts anyone, just whines and complains when things don't work out like she thinks they should. So when I talk politics it has become a general practise to encourage everybody to be involved and not just when they check the box if you know what I mean.

I have to say though, that the one message that is coming through loud and clear from you is that even when your government does things that impact anyone else, anywhere else in the world, because I am not an American, you expect me to just button it and keep my mouth shut. Is that about it? So let me ask you this, if America is going to start working hard on cleaning up the environment and so on (re: fossil fuels), and Canada's tar sands continued to be developed and the effects of the toxins in the air began to drift down and affect Idaho and Montana and North Dakota, would you expect to be able to complain or even contact the governments of Alberta and Saskatchewan who are pumping their toxic air into the jet stream for inhalation by American citizens? Or would you just button it and keep your mouth shut?

Yeah? So Canada SUCKS too... But I'm not ignoranat enough to keep harping on it over and over... So What are YOU doing to fix suckie Canada? Are you calling the right people..? Or just sitting back and complaining about it.. and everyone else..??

 

[Debby]

You go for it. Say it and get it off your chest and I'm sure you'll feel better now.

What am I doing? Well, like you QS, I vote and I write all the time to the various departments of my government. I write direct to the MP who is in charge of foreign affairs or agriculture, immigration, whatever and whomever is in charge of the appropriate department. I occasionally write to my area MP but I generally go straight to the top and I've even written my Prime Minister on numerous occasions this past year. Why mess around with a middle man when you can access the top office? I've also written letters to the possible new government that will hopefully come in at the next election to let them know what I expect of them if they take over the reins of government. I would say that I've probably written at least a couple dozen letters this year, if not more. I definitely don't just sit around and complain to my peers.

A guy named Joel Blackwell wrote a book called 'Keep On Voting After The Election', and in it he said: 'A number of years ago I was in a presentation that said members of Congress know that every letter they receive represents 10,000 opinions of people who didn't write. ... I suspect they keep some similar tally of e-mails........'

Now that was an American writer, but I suspect the same standard goes for Canadian politics and politicians. So by all means, we should all keep writing and emailing and phoning and letting our reps or the official government of the day, know exactly how you and 10,000 other people who are all voters feel. And maybe if enough of us on both sides of the border are saying, 'don't do things that harm other people and let's all respect each other and learn to get along', then maybe the tide will turn.

 

[QuickSilver]

You go for it. Say it and get it off your chest and I'm sure you'll feel better now.

What am I doing? Well, like you QS, I vote and I write all the time to the various departments of my government. I write direct to the MP who is in charge of foreign affairs, agriculture, immigration, whatever and whomever is in charge of the appropriate department. I occasionally write to my area MP but I generally go straight to the top and I've even written my Prime Minister on numerous occasions this past year. Why mess around with a middle man when you can access the top office? I would say that I've probably written at least a couple dozen letters this year, if not more. I definitely don't just sit around and complain to my peers.

And How's that working out for you?... I don't think you are trying hard enough!! You should work harder to fix all the problems of Canada. Like you expect us to do here. With all your activism, its a wonder you have so much time to insult us!

 

[Debby]

And How's that working out for you?... I don't think you are trying hard enough!! You should work harder to fix all the problems of Canada. Like you expect us to do here. With all your activism, its a wonder you have so much time to insult us!

Now you're just being silly QS. None of us can fix government by ourselves. But you know something, we can all try and besides informing those who don't know what is really going on overseas, I try to encourage people to vote, write, contact, phone, be involved. It's only insults if it is untrue and if I say it in a demeaning, cruel or rude way. Problem is that everything that I've said and provided links for is true and I think I'm pretty safe in saying that I haven't called anyone names or inferred anything about anyones genetics or questioned anyones integrity or intelligence.

Insulting? Nope, at least not deliberately. But how you chose to receive a statement is entirely your issue isn't it?

 

[QuickSilver]

Now you're just being silly QS. None of us can fix government by ourselves. But you know something, we can all try and besides informing those who don't know what is really going on overseas, I try to encourage people to vote, write, contact, phone, be involved. It's only insults if it is untrue and if I say it in a demeaning, cruel or rude way. Problem is that everything that I've said and provided links for is true and I think I'm pretty safe in saying that I haven't called anyone names or inferred anything about anyones genetics or questioned anyones integrity or intelligence.

Insulting? Nope, at least not deliberately. But how you chose to receive a statement is entirely your issue isn't it?

oh really... None of us can fix it by ourselves? You seem pretty sure we can..... if we only cared and tried.. and stopped thinking we were so freakin' wonderful. Wasn't that your gripe? And YES... you are deliberately insulting.. if not then you are pretty inept at understanding how to talk to people and get you point across without being offensive.

 

[Debby]

QS, I have never been deliberately insulting. Not once. I'm pretty sure if I was, I'd have been kicked off this forum by now.

I've shared links, I've encouraged people to be involved, I've corrected people when they made wrong assumptions (and I always provided credible links to back up my statements). But I've never deliberately insulted anyone and I've maintained a pretty even tone through it all. And I've also never suggested that one person can fix anything by themselves. But while we're at it, let's take a look at your comments #28 and #30. Opinions, most definitely, but actual information, not so much.

And for the record, one of your own also has issues with your President's label of 'exceptionalism'. You should read all about it: http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/06/02/obama-told-us-west-point-paul-craig-roberts/


Unfortunately this discussion seems to have devolved so maybe it would be good if I just left you to it. Talk to you again sometime.

 

[QuickSilver]

Maybe... and then again... maybe not.

 

[BobF]

Complaints about the US and our using gasoline, natural gas, oil, coal, etc. depends on who is in office in the US. We were doing OK till Obama took office. Suddenly, per his advisers, our use of coal was way wrong. Even though we had processed the coal prior to burning to where it made no poison's to the air or land. But Obama would not even let our trial plant go to work with the new ways of doing business. So we still have no way of knowing if our proposals really work or not. Far too much of the 'clean' folks arguments are based on theory and not on facts. Pretty sad situation to be living in theory rather than with tested and proven ways. This is just one example of the far distorted political thinking now going on around this world. One thing about the US Constitution is that our ways are determined by the people, not the radical governments like the one we have. Maybe that is why our recent election went so heavily against the current government that has been operating as if the voters do not count, just the gang on top.

 

[BobF]

This group http://www.globalresearch.ca/about is a private group on their very own path of discrediting those that do not agree with their agenda. They do use biased logic to make things fit their agenda. So I have read the indicated posts and find them to be fit for some that think wars are wrong if going against what I believe to be very wrong socialist or communist types of handling people. To point out that the US has had something to do with killing these terrorist types and saying that is bad seems strange to my thinking. Being independent means they can decide for themselves how they want to decide is good or bad. Far too much of US activities is considered bad according to their writings. While the US does have reasons to do what it does, being different from this group that at least one loves, does not make it wrong for the US, at the time this activity took place. Stretch it as you will but after many years there is little reason for such biased attitude. Times change reasons and justification for past activities.

 

[Debby]

I made a point of looking up Global Research as I first discovered them and the following link gives a pretty good explanation of their focus and purpose as well as the founder, Michael Chossudovsky. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Chossudovsky

Mr. Chossudovsky's credentials are impeccable and the information that I've found through his website is invariably backed up on other websites.

The rest of your comment seems to indicate that you are for war, you think that only sites that are connected (to government?) are credible and you are willing to accept that government can wage war (for their own reasons even if it does nothing to improve the lives of anyone). I take it then that you dismiss anything that does not come out of Washington or other governments offices and in my opinion that is a set up for a lot of not very good stuff for the average civilian. Remember, in any given war, 85% approximately of the dead that result are moms, dads, little kids and grandma's and grandpas.

 

[BobF]

Read my post above and follow that link for where I found the content which I posted about. If you love globalization you love confusion and difficulties for the future. Try globalization in your dictionary. If your dictionary has options, try them as some countries do show problems to be caused by globalization and you seem to be in love with a globalization organization.

 

[Debby]

There is absolutely nothing that jumps out with red flags flying, on that website you linked to if you are an individual who is seeking the other side of the story and if you are interested in reading articles written by intelligent people, some of whom have the highest credentials.

Globalization is with us. We are linked in every way imaginable. That is unlikely to change even if the USA did become 'the ruler of the world' as suggested by Bret Stephensons writings. What I am more interested in is a world where we all do business with one another and interact with one another on a footing of mutual respect for both our similarities and our differences and where each country or individual is considered unique and worthy in their own right as opposed to one individual or one group being exceptional and thereby affording themselves the privilege of assuming the role of 'king over all'.

There is all kinds of history that can be looked back on (for education purposes) where we can see what happened when kings ruled. How many of those hundreds/thousands of kingdoms saw good times for the few at the top while the peasants at the bottom suffered under the yoke of serfdom or even outright slavery?

I think if you were a citizen of Afghanistan, or Iraq, or Libya, Somalia, Cambodia, Vietnam, Japan, Cuba, east Ukraine, Gaza or the West Bank, Iran, ...... you'd have a different notion of the actions of the American government and their decades old 'run for the crown'.

 

[BobF]

There is absolutely nothing that jumps out with red flags flying, on that website you linked to if you are an individual who is seeking the other side of the story and if you are interested in reading articles written by intelligent people, some of whom have the highest credentials.

Globalization is with us. We are linked in every way imaginable. That is unlikely to change even if the USA did become 'the ruler of the world' as suggested by Bret Stephensons writings. What I am more interested in is a world where we all do business with one another and interact with one another on a footing of mutual respect for both our similarities and our differences and where each country or individual is considered unique and worthy in their own right as opposed to one individual or one group being exceptional and thereby affording themselves the privilege of assuming the role of 'king over all'.

There is all kinds of history that can be looked back on (for education purposes) where we can see what happened when kings ruled. How many of those hundreds/thousands of kingdoms saw good times for the few at the top while the peasants at the bottom suffered under the yoke of serfdom or even outright slavery?

I think if you were a citizen of Afghanistan, or Iraq, or Libya, Somalia, Cambodia, Vietnam, Japan, Cuba, east Ukraine, Gaza or the West Bank, Iran, ...... you'd have a different notion of the actions of the American government and their decades old 'run for the crown'.

After reading this post I see that you are a very isolated mind set and fixed in you opinions of the US government. I see the US as pretty much opposite of the way you express us to be. And hopefully the US will never change and become a part of the closed mind some folks seem to want us all to be. The US has been around the world to answer UN requests for help for this onr or that one. We are not just going here and there and starting wars. During the Iran wars we have had help from many nations, I think about 100 nations but don't have a real count. In Korea it was of many nations together for the UN. In Indo China it was more of a collaboration among western nations and not UN. Where has the US gone and helped countries to end attacks and then stayed on as a dictator type? None that I know of. We have kept military in various countries to keep support to some treaty countries in case some other country would try to attack. We left the Philippines some years back as the government there said we should. We are not implanted anywhere and we work for friendly ways of living together. Quite different from your postings above. If anyone it being hateful and resentful of the US government it would be someone you see in the mirror.
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globalization


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noun

1. the act of globalizing, or extending to other or all parts of the world: the globalization of manufacturing.

2. worldwide integration and development: Globablization has resulted in the loss of some individual cultural identities.

Also, especially British, globalisation.

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• Many of the coffee and sugar cane plantations around here have collapsed, done in by the forces of globalization.
• The book was fascinating -it gave me a whole new perspective on the nature of higher education in a time of globalization.
• The benefits of globalization are spread unevenly.

British Dictionary definitions for globalization
globalization

/ˌɡləʊbəlaɪˈzeɪʃən/

noun

1. the process enabling financial and investment markets to operate internationally, largely as a result of deregulation and improved communications

2. the emergence since the 1980s of a single world market dominated by multinational companies, leading to a diminishing capacity for national governments to control their economies

3. the process by which a company, etc, expands to operate internationally


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Word Origin and History for globalization
n.
1961, from globalize, which is attested at least from 1953 in various senses; the main modern one, with reference to global economic systems, emerged 1959.

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globalisation

In 2000 the media were full of references to globalization of the economy, communications-even politics and military affairs. Large crowds turned out to protest meetings such as that of the World Trade Organization (WTO) in Seattle, Wash., in 1999 or called attention to International Monetary Fund (IMF) policies in granting loans to struggling economies. What were these protests all about?
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