Pop the Corn... GOP debate #3

Ameriscot said:
We've watched bits and pieces of the debate on CNN Int'l. But couldn't stand any more. Now watching Rachel Maddow on MSNBC. Glad hubby is a geek and found out how to tell our tv we're in the US!
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Rachael is fantastic... I try to never miss her show.. she is on at 8Pm here. She will make some sense out of that fiasco last night.
 

Ameriscot said:
And I met many of these people while living in the bible belt. Can you say s.h.e.e.p.
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Ahhhhhh but the LORDS sheep...... It's very hard to argue with someone who thumps the Bible and claims to have God on his side...
 

A priceless column from Gail Collins, who always seems to hit the nail on the head, but with a sense of humor. Good reading here: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/29/o...-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region

A snippet:
One of the theories on why Carson can’t win — besides the fact that he’s utterly loopy — is that even a lot of Republican voters will be unnerved by his plans to undermine Social Security and Medicare. But his ideas aren’t actually all that different from those of most of the other candidates, who want to raise retirement rates or cut out everybody under, say, 45. “It’s not too much to ask of our generation after everything our parents and our grandparents did for us,” said Rubio.
 
yes.. every single one wants to cut SS benefits.. raise the eligibility age and voucherize Medicare...... rather than the very simple fix of raising the cap on FICA deductions to $250,000 or $500,000
 
I thought the funniest part was when one of the participants took on the questioners and asked them to stop asking stupid questions and calling the candidates name. He named some of the comments and they were not respectable at all. He challenged the questioners to start asking question that were meaningful to the nation.

I did not watch the debates, this was in the CNN after the debates were done. Sure sounded appropriate to me to have more meaningful questions and less of the personal attitudes showing.
 
I watched the debate and I have to say that Jeb Bush looked very weak, I think he'll be gone soon. It's almost like when he realized he couldn't ride his brother's coat-tail to popularity, because of his invasion of Iraq/help with the creation of ISIS and being behind the senseless murder, etc. of our troops...reality hit him and he gave up even trying. No big loss, really.

I still think if I had to pick one of these candidates, it would be Trump. If Trump runs against Hillary (or Bernie), he might possibly win, because the Independent voters may want to choose him over a Democrat. If Carson runs against the Democratic candidates, I think it would be to their benefit, as the Independents aren't likely to vote for someone like Ben with such extreme ideas, and would just go with the reasonable thinking Democrat.

I've been listening a little to the conservative radio talk shows today, and they're all out of sorts because of the "unfair" and "biased" questions from the CNBC moderators. Didn't they complain about the moderator questions on the first debate with the Fox moderators, like Megyn Kelly?
 
I did not watch the debate, but find it difficult to imagine that Trump or Carson could beat Clinton in an election. I don't doubt the appeal of an outsider (I think that benefited Obama in the first election), but I think both Trump and Carson have significant weaknesses, not the least of which is that they seem to have a tendency to make ill-advised comments in public. I think the Democrat machine will exploit Trump's statements about women and Hispanics, while Carson just has some very weird beliefs that won't play well in a national ad campaign.

I think the country has shifted more towards the center-left over the past few years and the Republican party has done nothing to endear themselves to many of the groups they'll need to win the general election. Just my 2 cents. Still way early and assuming Clinton is the nominee, she will face a withering onslaught of negative ads targeting her own issues. When it comes right down to it and who could best lead the country, she's looking more qualified than anyone that the other side has put up there thus far.
 
I watched the debate, and thought the moderators were trying to bait the candidates. I thought many of their questions showed disrespect to the candidates, instead of asking questions about how they are going to help the voters, if they become President. Questions such as "Donald Trump, are you a comic-book villain?" "Ben Carson, can you do math?" "John Kasich, will you insult two people over here?" "Marco Rubio, why don't you resign?" "Jeb Bush, why have your numbers fallen."

I think the Democrat candidates have refused to debate at Fox News, and they are always allowed to be questioned by Democrat moderators, never Republican moderators. Republicans should refuse to be questioned by democrat moderators the same as Democrats refuse to be questioned by Republicans. Just my take on it.
 
Ben Carson’s planning a GOP debate revolt: Campaign manager says he wants to round-up competitors and ditch the RNC
by Sophia Tesfaye at Salon

http://www.salon.com/2015/10/29/ben...ts_to_round_up_competitors_and_ditch_the_rnc/

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After being called out for his relationship with a shady medical supplement company during last night’s third Republican presidential debate on CNBC, Ben Carson’s campaign has taken the standard Republican anti-media shtick and redirected its ire at the Republican National Committee (RNC), threatening to lead a revolt of the campaigns against upcoming party-sanctioned debates.

Carson’s campaign manager, Barry Bennet, told the Washington Examiner that he planned to organize competing campaigns to pressure the RNC to make what he called “wholesale change” to future debates.

“I think the families need to get together here, because these debates as structured by the RNC are not helping the party,” Bennet said immediately following the end of Wednesday’s night CNBC debate.

“I think at this point, if five or six of us get together, who generate the largest portion of the audience, we can force change,” he insisted confidently, threatening to commandeer the debate process away from RNC chairman Reince Priebus.
 
Jackie22 said:
Ben Carson’s planning a GOP debate revolt: Campaign manager says he wants to round-up competitors

Ben Carson’s planning a GOP debate revolt: Campaign manager says he wants to round-up competitors and ditch the RNC
by Sophia Tesfaye at Salon

http://www.salon.com/2015/10/29/ben...ts_to_round_up_competitors_and_ditch_the_rnc/

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After being called out for his relationship with a shady medical supplement company during last night’s third Republican presidential debate on CNBC, Ben Carson’s campaign has taken the standard Republican anti-media shtick and redirected its ire at the Republican National Committee (RNC), threatening to lead a revolt of the campaigns against upcoming party-sanctioned debates.

Carson’s campaign manager, Barry Bennet, told the Washington Examiner that he planned to organize competing campaigns to pressure the RNC to make what he called “wholesale change” to future debates.

“I think the families need to get together here, because these debates as structured by the RNC are not helping the party,” Bennet said immediately following the end of Wednesday’s night CNBC debate.

“I think at this point, if five or six of us get together, who generate the largest portion of the audience, we can force change,” he insisted confidently, threatening to commandeer the debate process away from RNC chairman Reince Priebus.
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Very Interesting article, Jackie, and Thanks for posting it. :) I hadn't read anything about it until your post, and I think it's a good idea. The republican candidates are told they are not to appear in any debates not scheduled by the RNC, so this will be interesting to find out how it works out.
 
Misty said:
Very Interesting article, Jackie, and Thanks for posting it. :) I hadn't read anything about it until your post, and I think it's a good idea. The republican candidates are told they are not to appear in any debates not scheduled by the RNC, so this will be interesting to find out how it works out.
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Well, it shows that Carson is upset with the RNC leadership and not Democrat moderators....here is a good article by Amy Davidson about the questions the moderators were trying to get answers to...

http://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/in-partial-defense-of-cnbc
 
Misty said:
I watched the debate, and thought the moderators were trying to bait the candidates. I thought many of their questions showed disrespect to the candidates, instead of asking questions about how they are going to help the voters, if they become President. Questions such as "Donald Trump, are you a comic-book villain?" "Ben Carson, can you do math?" "John Kasich, will you insult two people over here?" "Marco Rubio, why don't you resign?" "Jeb Bush, why have your numbers fallen."

I think the Democrat candidates have refused to debate at Fox News, and they are always allowed to be questioned by Democrat moderators, never Republican moderators. Republicans should refuse to be questioned by democrat moderators the same as Democrats refuse to be questioned by Republicans. Just my take on it.
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Weren't these Republican moderators at the first Republican debate? Didn't they the Republican candidates complain about those questions too? Don't get me wrong, I think a lot of these questions are useless, but moderators from the same party, Republican, Megyn Kelly were criticized....what's the excuse there, not bias related to party?

Donald Trump says he did not get a fair shake from Fox News in Thursday’s Republican debate in Cleveland.
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After the debate, the presidential candidate said that questions posed to him were “inappropriate” and that Fox News host Megyn Kelly “behaved very badly.”

“The questions to me were far tougher, and I — supposedly, according to what everyone’s telling me, I won the debate, according to the call-ins and everything,”

Trump said, according to BuzzFeed. “But the questions to me were not nice, I didn’t think they were appropriate, and I think Megyn behaved very badly personally.”
Trump said Kelly gave him an “unfair question” when she raised purportedly sexist remarks the businessman had made in the past.

“You’ve called women you don’t like fat pigs, dogs, snobs and disgusting animals,” Kelly said.
“Only Rosie O’Donnell,” Trump interrupted to laughter.

“For the record, it was well beyond Rosie O’Donnell,” Kelly said. “Your Twitter account has several disparaging comments about women’s looks. You once told a contestant on ‘Celebrity Apprentice’ it would be a pretty picture to see her on her knees.

Does that sound to you like the temperament of a man we should elect as president, and how will you answer the charge from Hillary Clinton — who is likely to be the Democratic nominee — that you are part of the ‘war on women?’”

“They weren’t even questions, they were statements that they asked,” Trump said afterward.

BuzzFeed reported:

The Fox News hosts who moderated the debate — Kelly, Bret Baier, and Chris Wallace — were tough on Trump throughout.

They made him admit that he would consider a third-party run, asked him when he became a Republican, and asked tough questions about his record on sexism and his business career.

The debate may have signaled a shift in tone for Fox, which has heavily covered Trump since he became a candidate and whose hosts often defend him.


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Trump’s attorney Michael Cohen criticized the network and a Fox News focus group led by pollster Frank Luntz, which criticized Trump’s debate performance.
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Read more: http://www.bizpacreview.com/2015/08...shes-overrated-and-angry-234244#ixzz3q0NiH8h4


 
Looks like Chris Christie and Rand Paul were also complaining about their green rooms before the debate, jealous of Trump's. https://www.yahoo.com/politics/chris-christie-rand-paul-campaigns-complain-about-151027195.html


GOP presidential campaigns are once again upset over how the Republican National Committee is handling the party’s primary debates.

In particular, campaign coordinators have reportedly taken issue with the varied quality of candidates’ greenroom accommodations ahead of the third Republican presidential debate at the University of Colorado’s Coors Events Center in Boulder on Wednesday.

Low-polling campaigns accused the RNC of providing extravagant spaces to candidates at the front of the pack, such as real estate developer Donald Trump, former neurosurgeon Ben Carson and former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina, Politico reported.

Sources told the political news site that New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul had been relegated to small spaces that resemble bathrooms, prominently featuring toilets.

Conversely, Fiorina’s room has a hot tub, Trump’s expansive room has luxury chairs and a flat-screen television and Florida Sen. Marco Rubio’s room looks like a small theater with leather chairs for his team, according to the sources.

Chris LaCivita, a top aid to Paul, shared pictures of several greenrooms on Twitter, adding the sardonic signoff “#thanksRNC.”
 
These republican presidential candidates can't even agree on how to disagree....they should learn a few things from Hillary Clinton on how to answer unwanted questions, you think she wanted to go before a committee of republican/tea party jackals.
 
SeaBreeze said:
More complaints and changes the candidates want for future GOP debates....they want it their way. http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/gop-campaigns-rnc-debates-215371#ixzz3q0eYMTg2
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I think it's a good idea, the republican candidates want future debates the way they want them, SeaBreeze....Like the democrats refuse to go on Fox News to be debated...which is the way the democrat presidential candidates want it. I was proud of the republican candidates finally letting the moderators at the last debate know they weren't going to put up with that kind of treatment from them. You would think there would be awhile at first to try and warm up the candidates, instead of going after them with guns blazing. Christie was asked a question by a moderator, and he kept interrupting Christie, til he finally said to the moderator "Do you want to answer the question, or do you want me to answer it." The moderators even kept interrupting and yelling at each other during the debate.

Cnn has an article today titled :
[h=1]'Shell-shocked' CNBC staffers had long flight home[/h]These were comments made by some of the CNBC staff members about the debate:

"Employees who spoke on condition of anonymity for this story wished for a "do-over" and pointed fingers of blame for the chaotic production. Some pointed all the way up to CNBC president Mark Hoffman, who was also aboard Wednesday night's charter. "Everyone feels pretty embarrassed," one veteran staffer said.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/30/media/cnbc-gop-debate-reactions-shellshocked/index.html
 
It's true Misty that many (not all) of the moderators on these debates ask baiting questions and pretty much act very childish. They seem to go for ratings rather than holding a productive debate for the American people. My point was they also complained about the republican (Fox) moderators. I have to say the first question was wasted, 'what is your biggest weakness?', and most of the candidates completely ignored it and pitched their grievances/ideas instead...so maybe this set the mode for the respect they were going to give each other for the whole thing?
 
Jackie22 said:
Well, it shows that Carson is upset with the RNC leadership and not Democrat moderators....here is a good article by Amy Davidson about the questions the moderators were trying to get answers to...

http://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/in-partial-defense-of-cnbc
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Carson is also upset with the moderators, as he called the debate a "Slugfest" on television last night, Jackie. His being upset with the moderators, was the reason he in turn got upset with the RNC head, Reince Priebus, and the RNC commitee members, for setting up those type debates, and the candidates are all going to meet, and decide on a strategy for the rest of their debates. I think they should follow the democrat strategy, no debates with moderators from the opposite party, or at the least, only debates with members of their own party included as moderaters too.
 
Misty said:
Carson is also upset with the moderators, as he called the debate a "Slugfest" on television last night, Jackie. His being upset with the moderators, was the reason he in turn got upset with the RNC head, Reince Priebus, and the RNC commitee members, for setting up those type debates, and the candidates are all going to meet, and decide on a strategy for the rest of their debates. I think they should follow the democrat strategy, no debates with moderators from the opposite party, or at the least, only debates with members of their own party included as moderaters too.
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Well maybe next time they can all have plush greenrooms and Rush Limbaugh for a moderator and all be happy but I doubt the happy part.
 
A huge Republican talking point has ALWAYS been the "Main stream Media" Or as Palin loved to call them "the LAME Stream Media" Their constituents eat is up. This was all a planned revolt as The Donald was talking about the "unfair" questioning before the debate even happened. Truth be known.. the media is harder on Democrats and frequently glosses over Republican shenanigans. The media is owned by large corporations.. and is told what to do and say by them.
 

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