Popular antibiotics linked to growing number of suicide deaths, patients unaware of side effects

I had Cipro a number of years ago and stopped it because of muscle cramps and feeling unusually irritable. I put it in my “do not prescribe” list after that. I’m not familiar with the other.
I’m old and find I am more apt to get unpleasant side effects than when I was younger, and MUCH LESS WILLING TO TRY TO TOLERATE THEM!
Am in the process of trying to get off Symbicort , a steroid, which was Rx for post nasal drip and shortness of breath. Muscle cramps and mood swings.
 
The video says only less then 10% of side effects are reported many may think some items are just normal. So when in court or FDA looking they say only x amount reported this which is a small amount that might actually have issues.

I think more people should look closer to the side effects of all drugs even OTC .....

that is a large part of why FDA approval is not trusted by some .........FDA is not a stamp of approval some think it is.
Especially when they are looking at biased studies done by the same company looking for approval of drug.

Millions of dollars are invested coming up with drugs for various conditions and even if they have serious issues they are often overlooked until the amount of death or permanent injury becomes known to the public.
 
Jeni said:
The video says only less then 10% of side effects are reported many may think some items are just normal. So when in court or FDA looking they say only x amount reported this which is a small amount that might actually have issues.

I think more people should look closer to the side effects of all drugs even OTC .....

that is a large part of why FDA approval is not trusted by some .........FDA is not a stamp of approval some think it is.
Especially when they are looking at biased studies done by the same company looking for approval of drug.

Millions of dollars are invested coming up with drugs for various conditions and even if they have serious issues they are often overlooked until the amount of death or permanent injury becomes known to the public.
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Also why not everybody trusts a new vaccine, especially one that was released without adequate testing.
 
I think the physicians and other prescribers are part of the problem too. They don’t take enough time to really educate the patient on what they are prescribing, and often don’t know all the side effects themselves. Unwilling to hear complaints.. And patients are often unwilling or scared to complain. They will stop taking whatever that is making them feel bad and just not go back to that provider.
 
Geezerette said:
I think the physicians and other prescribers are part of the problem too. They don’t take enough time to really educate the patient on what they are prescribing, and often don’t know all the side effects themselves. Unwilling to hear complaints.. And patients are often unwilling or scared to complain. They will stop taking whatever that is making them feel bad and just not go back to that provider.
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When you pick up your medications and especially if it is a new medication the Pharmacist is suppose to always ask if you have any questions about the medication and possible side effects of the medication. The Pharmacists are really the ones that are the experts on the side effects of all of that. I agree the Physicians should also know this stuff, but it is obvious they don't have the knowledge that the Pharmacists do and even the Pharmacists are suppose to do a double check on any medication prescribed up against the other medications you are taking at the time for interactions.
 
Signe The Survivor said:
When you pick up your medications and especially if it is a new medication the Pharmacist is suppose to always ask if you have any questions about the medication and possible side effects of the medication. The Pharmacists are really the ones that are the experts on the side effects of all of that. I agree the Physicians should also know this stuff, but it is obvious they don't have the knowledge that the Pharmacists do and even the Pharmacists are suppose to do a double check on any medication prescribed up against the other medications you are taking at the time for interactions.
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I don't think in most cases people are comfortable discussing items with the pharmacist in a open setting... i have overheard many a discussion while waiting in line... i would have a good idea of what was wrong with some simply by the drug name they were discussing.

and patients most often trust their doctor........... who should and Can look up on computer items on the drugs prior to prescribing.

I remember one time i was picking up my prescription.... i was often just asked do i Want to talk to the pharmacist or Not....
good ones will be proactive like telling me a new supplier the pills were a different color etc.

The one time they automatically came up to counter........ AFTER ringing up items etc when the pharmacist took bottles out of bag................ they found the tech had bagged up and charged me for someone else drugs entirely ..... Guess i was lucky that the pharmacist came up.

Now most people would just be happy it was caught or change pharmacies ... i turned them in and they had to have a complete audit of their drugs and processes.
 
Thanks Signe! I have great respect for pharmacists and agree that they are the real experts. I’ve asked for consultation from one or another many times. Haha, with the “social distancing “ the next person in line at least stays back several feet. My health plan actually has a couple of Clinical Pharmacists that one can arrange to see. That helped me once when a regular med suddenly wasn’t working right. Turned out the Pharmacy had changed suppliers and the inert ingredients were different. They agreed to change back to the previous one for mine.

Jeni I always used to have the pharm clerk show me my bottles before bagging them. Not sure how I got away from doing that. That did prevent me from getting a wrong med once, and I’m going to start doing it again next trip.
 
Geezerette said:
Thanks Signe! I have great respect for pharmacists and agree that they are the real experts. I’ve asked for consultation from one or another many times. Haha, with the “social distancing “ the next person in line at least stays back several feet. My health plan actually has a couple of Clinical Pharmacists that one can arrange to see. That helped me once when a regular med suddenly wasn’t working right. Turned out the Pharmacy had changed suppliers and the inert ingredients were different. They agreed to change back to the previous one for mine.

Jeni I always used to have the pharm clerk show me my bottles before bagging them. Not sure how I got away from doing that. That did prevent me from getting a wrong med once, and I’m going to start doing it again next trip.
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I usually go through the drive through and the only people I suppose I would annoy if I would have to request the Pharmacist to come to the window to answer a question is the motorists behind me waiting to pick up prescriptions as they would have to wait a bit longer. I have had to wait before and I don't know if the person in the car was asking for the Pharmacist or they had a mix up with what they ordered, but I just sat and waited my turn.
 
Blah I learned long ago to ask how many prescriptions were filled and what they are before paying for them. Then I check them myself in the car before going home. My pharmacy has tried to give me someone else's medication, and short me on refills already. As far as side effects, I've found a lack of interest on the part of both the doctor and the pharmacist.
 
Geezerette said:
I think the physicians and other prescribers are part of the problem too. They don’t take enough time to really educate the patient on what they are prescribing, and often don’t know all the side effects themselves. Unwilling to hear complaints.. And patients are often unwilling or scared to complain. They will stop taking whatever that is making them feel bad and just not go back to that provider.
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Not only don't take time to educate patients, don't familiarize themselves with patients' medical history. I once had a doc try to prescribe a drug for BPPV, when i only mentioned in interest of being honest with her, but stated i control it fine with excercises that calm it. On top of that the drug was a neurological one that had high risk of suicidal ideation and in my med history i always reveal i was highly suicidal for 15 yrs in my youth, and still have to be proactive in battling depression.
 
dobielvr said:
I've taken the Cipro..years ago, w/no adverse side effects. But, I always request the Brand name drug, because the generics tend to make my heart race and /or give me shortness of breath.
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good point is the issue with the basic drug component or the brand itself.... the basic difference in generic is same active ingredient but different fillers.....
some items i found the generic did not sit well with me and had to return to name brand....

sometimes the drug issue is with the active ingredient part but most people will only know it by the name brand.
 
So, a doctor gets a degree to push pills.
He has no idea to cure without pills.
Pharmacies give you drugs generic to get you out of the long line so they get a paycheck.
No government authority to oversee the many nurses, doctors pharmacies to be accountable for anything.
Why. They all have a superior attitude toward patients. They know they will never be fired ever for they have a system already impeded within their training policy. That is suppose to save them from false claims. I found this nurse and their co-workers use It to their own idea of what they want to do to get them to abuse patients that are alone that come into their care.
 
I think it should be shared responsibility (doctor, patient, pharmacist). I bet most people don't ask questions when in the doctor's office. Then they go to the pharmacy and pick up the medicine. Get home and just start taking it.

There is printed information in the prescription package from the pharmacy. My guess is that most people never read it. There's lots of information in it to become more informed about what you are about to take. Types of ailments the medicine is prescribed for. List of possible side effects and etc.

Furthermore, there's the Internet where medical websites provide info on specific prescriptions. Plus there's feedback from others who have used the medication.
 
Nosy Bee-54 said:
I think it should be shared responsibility (doctor, patient, pharmacist). I bet most people don't ask questions when in the doctor's office. Then they go to the pharmacy and pick up the medicine. Get home and just start taking it.

There is printed information in the prescription package from the pharmacy. My guess is that most people never read it. There's lots of information in it to become more informed about what you are about to take. Types ailments the medicine is prescribed for. List of possible side effects and etc.

Furthermore, there's the Internet where medical websites provide info on specific prescriptions. Plus there's feedback from others who have used the medication.
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Well said... I absolutely agree it is and should be a partnership.... completely patients need to step up and ask questions etc.... if i get a new drug i ask for like a sample pack or 3 day supply to try before i commit to 30/60/90 day supply
 
Yet malpractice lawyers and interviews with those who have or want to sue make it clear the main factor in filing such suits is NOT how extreme the malpractice was but how the medical personnel interacts with a patient. People understand honest mistakes happen, but if the patient felt they were not heard and respected they are more likely to pursue legal action over a mistake.

Clearly nobody has explained this to hospitals, clinics or small multi-doctor practices. So its sheer luck to get responsive, attentive doctor that takes the time to listen well and review case files of patients new to them answer questions.
 
If a person has to take a drug, they should go online and check for any side effects, and cautions. Sites like WebMD, MayoClinic, Drugs.com, and several others do a pretty job of analyzing most drugs. Doctors, and pharmacists probably have little time to completely investigate all of the hundreds of drugs.

Just listening to the "disclaimers" on these TV "Ask your Doctor" ads, should be enough to make people a bit skeptical, if they have to start taking drugs.
 

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