Proposal to give $2,000 per month to Americans gains traction in Senate

Giving the government the right sounds great?? To whom? Apparently you are under the mistaken assumption that I believe that is a good idea. I'm simply saying that it won't surprise me when Congress puts forth such a proposal. Because removing incentive for the average American to work hard and save for retirement is right up their alley.
I was in agreement with you. Because as you point out removing incentive for the average American to work hard and save for retirement is right up their alley. That alley being politicians looking for votes. There are posts in this thread that hope that the proposal is approved not caring that the recent stimulus will impact Soc. Sec. sooner than projected.
 

I'm not referring to anyone on this forum, only in general, but individuals who take this 'work incentive' approach:
1. What about people who can't work?
2. What about locations where work is outrageously scarce, and people who manage to get jobs at all must settle for part-time or even less than part-time 'hours'?
 
I'm not referring to anyone on this forum, only in general, but individuals who take this 'work incentive' approach:
1. What about people who can't work?
2. What about locations where work is outrageously scarce, and people who manage to get jobs at all must settle for part-time or even less than part-time 'hours'?
Disabled persons (or for whatever reasons unable to work) should certainly receive compensation. It makes sense to make decisions based on individual situation/need. I simply don't agree that a random person earning $120,000 a year "needs" a stimulus. That's absurd in to my way of thinking.
 

Stimulus money to any individual citizen seems appropriate especially in view of all the corporate windfalls - obscene amounts to huge companies owned and managed for the benefit of stockholders.
 
Stimulus money to any individual citizen seems appropriate especially in view of all the corporate windfalls - obscene amounts to huge companies owned and managed for the benefit of stockholders.
Two wrongs don't make a right. I'm aghast at the corporate bailouts, but that doesn't mean I want my children & grandchildren indebted for another $2 trillion.
 
Two wrongs don't make a right. I'm aghast at the corporate bailouts, but that doesn't mean I want my children & grandchildren indebted for another $2 trillion.
Exactly. And I don't oppose all business bailouts, just the "small business loans" that were funneled to huge chains, etc. and the huge payments to major universities. We need to make sure that businesses don't fail so that people have jobs to return to.
 
Don't worry, they are talking about making it a loan that you pay back by cutting off 3 months of receiving your Social Security allotment. Now that's the America I know. For me they would be getting back more than $4000 for their $2000 loan.
 
Giving the government the right sounds great?? To whom? Apparently you are under the mistaken assumption that I believe that is a good idea. I'm simply saying that it won't surprise me when Congress puts forth such a proposal. Because removing incentive for the average American to work hard and save for retirement is right up their alley.
Well, just because you work hard that doesn’t mean you can save for retirement.
 
Not endless supply? Haven't the guvmint been printing money from thin air for years now?

AFAIK, what backs up the USD is the public's faith that the guvmint will not print TOO MUCH plus the confidence that it'll be accepted as legal tender everywhere.

How much is too much? Have we reached a cap?
Maybe we are running out of trees 🤣
 
Printing money and/or associated programs could have the same effect as flooding the economy with counterfeit money. There have been plots to disrupt economies by flooding them with counterfeit money. Counterfeiting money is a crime for a reason or two. Sooner or later the debt of printed money will have to be paid.
 
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Printing money and/or associated programs could have the same effect as flooding the economy with counterfeit money. There have been plots to disrupt economies by flooding them with counterfeit money. Counterfeiting money is a crime for a reason or two. Sooner or later the debt of printed will have to be paid.
True but not by me.
 
As much as I believe that so many in this country need that money (large families with one or both parents out of work, for example), I don't see how America could afford that huge a bill. It's just not feasible. I say find a way to help the 33 million who have lost their jobs, thus their health insurance coverage. Most of them can't pay their rent, put food on the table, buy their meds if they need them and pay their bills. People who do not have serious money problems like that certainly shouldn't get $2,000 a month.
 
As much as I believe that so many in this country need that money (large families with one or both parents out of work, for example), I don't see how America could afford that huge a bill. It's just not feasible. I say find a way to help the 33 million who have lost their jobs, thus their health insurance coverage. Most of them can't pay their rent, put food on the table, buy their meds if they need them and pay their bills. People who do not have serious money problems like that certainly shouldn't get $2,000 a month.
Define serious and who decides who has serious money problems and who doesn’t. It’s a slippery slope. I see, on tv, people in very expensive cars picking up free food. So do the rich or well off, that now have less due to a variety of reasons qualify for the things the poor have never had?

Could people not sell the very expensive pick up truck and buy food? Or do they just make payments and get free food. It simply does not work simply. The rich, as usual, get free food and stay rich. The poor, as usual, stay poor and don’t have a way to get to the free food give away.

The money is not backed by gold anymore. The money is just printed paper, so print some more. We are over 80,000 dead and climbing. It is predicated now, that even with all we’ve done, 150,000 will die at least. They should die knowing their families have food in their tummies.

The future, as usual, will take care of itself.
 
Define serious and who decides who has serious money problems and who doesn’t. It’s a slippery slope. I see, on tv, people in very expensive cars picking up free food. So do the rich or well off, that now have less due to a variety of reasons qualify for the things the poor have never had?

Could people not sell the very expensive pick up truck and buy food? Or do they just make payments and get free food. It simply does not work simply. The rich, as usual, get free food and stay rich. The poor, as usual, stay poor and don’t have a way to get to the free food give away.

The money is not backed by gold anymore. The money is just printed paper, so print some more. We are over 80,000 dead and climbing. It is predicated now, that even with all we’ve done, 150,000 will die at least. They should die knowing their families have food in their tummies.

The future, as usual, will take care of itself.
"The rich, as usual, get free food and stay rich. The poor, as usual, stay poor and don’t have a way to get to the free food give away."

I disagree. The rich do not get free food!

The poor have government programs like food stamps, free school lunch, etc. They also have food banks they are a good thing and even as I am considered by our government low income I give money every month to our food bank, the Salvation Army, American Red Cross and our local homeless shelter that provides shelter and meals...God Bless the people that work in that shelter...its wake up when I have been there.
 
"The rich, as usual, get free food and stay rich. The poor, as usual, stay poor and don’t have a way to get to the free food give away."

I disagree. The rich do not get free food!

The poor have government programs like food stamps, free school lunch, etc. They also have food banks they are a good thing and even as I am considered by our government low income I give money every month to our food bank, the Salvation Army, American Red Cross and our local homeless shelter that provides shelter and meals...God Bless the people that work in that shelter...its wake up when I have been there.
Yup, my son, who lives in a group home, gets an overwhelming 168 dollars a MONTH in food stamps. WOW, let’s hear it for the government! My husband and I buy food for the group home residents every month and the workers to insure everyone gets enough to eat. We have done this for several years.

The poor never have enough to eat. Children go hungry with only a school lunch which they are not getting now. In order to take advantage of a food bank you need a car or some type of transportation. Homeless shelters are one of the most dangerous places in the world.

In the real world, the things you mention are like putting a bandaid on a person whose been run over by a car. The thought is there, but the victim is DOA.
 
Define serious and who decides who has serious money problems and who doesn’t. It’s a slippery slope. I see, on tv, people in very expensive cars picking up free food. So do the rich or well off, that now have less due to a variety of reasons qualify for the things the poor have never had?

Could people not sell the very expensive pick up truck and buy food? Or do they just make payments and get free food. It simply does not work simply. The rich, as usual, get free food and stay rich. The poor, as usual, stay poor and don’t have a way to get to the free food give away.

The money is not backed by gold anymore. The money is just printed paper, so print some more. We are over 80,000 dead and climbing. It is predicated now, that even with all we’ve done, 150,000 will die at least. They should die knowing their families have food in their tummies.

The future, as usual, will take care of itself.
I believe I already defined serious in my post Aneeda! Read it again! They can start with people who have been unemployed for weeks with no savings, but have mouths to feed and no way to pay their bills, especially since it's damned hard to even file for unemployment now, let alone wait to receive their first check. The government finds out everything else they want to know about it's citizens....they can figure out who's most in need if they wanted to.
With so many people out of work, some who never thought their jobs might ever be in jeopardy...I doubt it's that easy to sell a vehicle these days, though I understand your point. And FYI...I think they did this stimulus thing kind of a*s backwards. The people most in need are going to be the ones who wind up getting their payments last...some have to wait as long as September.
 
I believe I already defined serious in my post Aneeda! Read it again! They can start with people who have been unemployed for weeks with no savings, but have mouths to feed and no way to pay their bills, especially since it's damned hard to even file for unemployment now, let alone wait to receive their first check. The government finds out everything else they want to know about it's citizens....they can figure out who's most in need if they wanted to.
With so many people out of work, some who never thought their jobs might ever be in jeopardy...I doubt it's that easy to sell a vehicle these days, though I understand your point. And FYI...I think they did this stimulus thing kind of a*s backwards. The people most in need are going to be the ones who wind up getting their payments last...some have to wait as long as September.
My DS son was working at a restaurant under a government sponsored program for the disabled. The restaurant is closed, of course. He can’t get unemployment. He hasn’t got a stimulus check. What he has is mom and dad to make sure he, and his roommates eat. The disabled poor are the last to be given a thought. Not reading your posts again.

The fact is nothing we say here matters. The rich stay rich, the poor stay poor. The government couldn’t care less.
 
My DS son was working at a restaurant under a government sponsored program for the disabled. The restaurant is closed, of course. He can’t get unemployment. He hasn’t got a stimulus check. What he has is mom and dad to make sure he, and his roommates eat. The disabled poor are the last to be given a thought. Not reading your posts again.

The fact is nothing we say here matters. The rich stay rich, the poor stay poor. The government couldn’t care less.
I agree with you so I don't know why you singled out my post to ask the questions you did!
 
Printing money and/or associated programs could have the same effect as flooding the economy with counterfeit money. There have been plots to disrupt economies by flooding them with counterfeit money. Counterfeiting money is a crime for a reason or two. Sooner or later the debt of printed money will have to be paid.
I'm afraid it'll be sooner than later.
 
Did I in any way indicate that it does?
I like it that you disagree with me or question me often. That’s one of the things I like about Keesha as well. It makes me think harder about if I still agree with what I wrote. I usually do but sometimes I don’t. Since I am human, I can be wrong and don’t mind admitting it. I can misstate what I meant to say.

But I do not understand why certain people, take other people’s comments personally. I see that all the time on the posts, and not just with me. These are just opinions, and others are just responding with their opinions. If someone seriously objects to someone else opinion, most of the time, then why not put that person on ignore?

In any event, 🧐 my comment stands.
 
Yup, my son, who lives in a group home, gets an overwhelming 168 dollars a MONTH in food stamps. WOW, let’s hear it for the government! My husband and I buy food for the group home residents every month and the workers to insure everyone gets enough to eat. We have done this for several years.

The poor never have enough to eat. Children go hungry with only a school lunch which they are not getting now. In order to take advantage of a food bank you need a car or some type of transportation. Homeless shelters are one of the most dangerous places in the world.

In the real world, the things you mention are like putting a bandaid on a person whose been run over by a car. The thought is there, but the victim is DOA.
I sympathize with you & understand that poverty is not the choice of the way to live. But for whatever reason that as a way of happens in America. There are two ways to look at things. A person can be thankful for what they have or look at what they don't have.

Personally I look at what I have. To begin with being born in America. That instead of living in a mud hut there are homes, apartments & food. I think about the millions that come to America to enjoy what America offers.

You mention "Yup, my son, who lives in a group home, gets an overwhelming 168 dollars a MONTH in food stamps. WOW, let’s hear it for the government!"

Was that appreciation or do you expect more?
 
I sympathize with you & understand that poverty is not the choice of the way to live. But for whatever reason that as a way of happens in America. There are two ways to look at things. A person can be thankful for what they have or look at what they don't have.

Personally I look at what I have. To begin with being born in America. That instead of living in a mud hut there are homes, apartments & food. I think about the millions that come to America to enjoy what America offers.

You mention "Yup, my son, who lives in a group home, gets an overwhelming 168 dollars a MONTH in food stamps. WOW, let’s hear it for the government!"

Was that appreciation or do you expect more?
I expect my son and anyone’s son or daughter, any human being in the US to receive enough food to never be hungry-that is what I expect. Yes, millions in the US enjoy what is here and millions don’t. There is enough for everyone to have enough, but it is not equal. We, the people, should not pretend it is.

The thing is, I wasn’t born in a mud hut, I was born here. “My people” came very early on. My family has fought for the US in every single war to preserve this way of life including the war of independence. My grandmother received a civil war pension. My uncle was at Pearl Harbor. My step father at the concentration camps.

My government can be appreciative of me and my families sacrifices throughout history.

I saved the government hundreds of thousands of dollars by adopting my disabled boys, the least the government can do is feed them now that they are adults and I am on the downside of my life. I can not die secure in the knowledge that they will be properly cared for, they won’t be.

This is the tragedy of the United States of America. It is not as advertised. The streets, after all, are not paved in gold. Stepping down off the soap box, 😂.
 


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