Proposals to CUT SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS for Seniors

[BobF]

For any question of 'left and right' I post the following. Then I will try to find something on the conservative question.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left–right_politics

Left–right politics

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The left-right political spectrum is a system of classifying political positions, ideologies and parties. Left-wing politics and right-wing politics are often presented as opposed, although a particular individual or group may take a left-wing stance on one matter and a right-wing stance on another. In France, where the terms originated, the Left has been called "the party of movement" and the Right "the party of order."[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][4][/SUP] The intermediate stance is called centrism and a person with such a position is a moderate.

There is general agreement that the Left includes progressives, communists, social-liberals, greens, social-democrats, socialists, democratic-socialists, left-libertarians, secularists, feminists, autonomists, anti-imperialists, anti-capitalists, and anarchists,[SUP][5][/SUP][SUP][6][/SUP][SUP][7][/SUP][SUP][8][/SUP] and that the Right includes conservatives, reactionaries, neoconservatives, traditionalists, capitalists, neoliberals, right-libertarians, social-authoritarians, monarchists, theocrats, nationalists and fascists.[SUP][9][/SUP]


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Now for the conservatives.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism

Conservatism

Conservatism as a political and social philosophy promotes retaining traditional social institutions. A person who follows the philosophies of conservatism is referred to as a traditionalist or conservative. Some conservatives seek to preserve things as they are, emphasizing stability and continuity, while others, called reactionaries, oppose modernism and seek a return to "the way things were".[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] The first established use of the term in a political context originated with François-René de Chateaubriand in 1818,[SUP][3][/SUP] during the period of Bourbon restoration that sought to roll back the policies of the French Revolution. The term, historically associated with right-wing politics, has since been used to describe a wide range of views. There is no single set of policies that are universally regarded as conservative, because the meaning of conservatism depends on what is considered traditional in a given place and time. Thus conservatives from different parts of the world—each upholding their respective traditions—may disagree on a wide range of issues. Edmund Burke, an 18th-century politician who opposed the French Revolution but supported the American Revolution, is credited as one of the main theorists of conservatism in Great Britain in the 1790s.[SUP][4][/SUP] According to Quintin Hogg, the chairman of the British Conservative Party in 1959, "Conservatism is not so much a philosophy as an attitude, a constant force, performing a timeless function in the development of a free society, and corresponding to a deep and permanent requirement of human nature itself."[SUP][5][/SUP]


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Conservatives are not necessarily Repubilican's as some independent's and some Democrats feel this way too.

I hope this helps a bit.
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[marinaio]

If Congress is going to do something, anything, the longer they wait the more difficult it will become for incumbents. Every year there is a huge increase in eligible participants, seniors, voters who won't take too kindly to any benefit cuts. The fact is that something has to change, the expected growth of eligible participants makes the current system unsustainable even with increases is taxes.

 

[BobF]

Concerns with the beginning of our now out of control debt are shown on this chart.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Click on this link and see just how deeply the US is in debt. Mostly, about 10 trillion since Obama came in as President added to about 3 trillion in Bush's last two years when the Democrats Reid and Pelosi were in charge of the Congress and spending like crazy and Bush could not end their spending as it was done wrapped around such items as military pay.

http://advisorperspectives.com/dshort/charts/policy/debt-to-gdp.html?federal-debt-to-gdp-history.gif

Click on this link to see how the overall debt has just run away since the Democrats took over the Congress in the last two years of Bush's Presidency.

There is another similar chart that also overlays the government control of Democrats or Republicans but I did not find it yet. If I do find it I will put in in this space too.

Here is the same time period mixed with the political changes. Interesting to see how things go under different management.

http://advisorperspectives.com/dsho...-to-gdp.html?federal-debt-to-gdp-politics.gif

Click on the link to see the differences of debt and direction of the debt.
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[Harley]

Do not forgot that out of the top 1% of the rich at least 1/2 are all Democrats , Doomberg (professed republican with socialist leanings excuse me Bloomberg) Soros, the owner of Oracle, could go on but lets just blame the Republicans its so much easier and takes less thinking!!!!---- they are all crooks (oops I said it)

*thumbs up*

 

[papaandproud]

Last one Bob! My purpose of asking you to look at the difinition of conservatism was that you would see wow this is not a decsription of R politicians. One point back to good old days, not possible, that's whaat I mean we need to face reality the good old days are gone forever. Ok Communist goverment, not operating under the constitution, don't know what your insurance offers and what you can get, local doctors controling my medical ""not in this life I hope". This is the kind of lip service we get from our politicians talk without facts I have Blue Cross BS as I have for 30 years. I know exactly what I am getting My payment went up no more than it has in the past. So I am hoping for factua dicussion and meaningful conversation so I think we should end this one. I agree to disagree Take care guy!

 

[BobF]

Sorry papaandproud, I have been posting lots from the factual records but you don't want to accept that. Fine then that we not push this topic any longer. What is happening is what we have to look too but we don't have to accept this rape of the US by the current government. The good old days are not gone forever as I see things, we just have to wait till we get a more open and willing leader to honor the Constitution directions, right or left, that will allow our Constitutional ways to take over again and allow our House and Senate to debate and bring back the rights of the peoples wants over the demands of a very biased and incorrect President.

Obama's ratings are now down into the 30 something % of the citizens thinking he is doing the right things. That includes all functions such as the health system, the military, how he handles local situations, how he handles the worlds situations, He has fallen from his early on approvals of low 50's % and even up into the 60's % all the way down to his current low performance and trust levels. I hope our next election gets us a more dedicated person to the US peoples wants and needs than this Obama person has shown us.

Did you look at the charts I posted? Especially the one that shows our debts over the years and shows the political times of the events. For many years across these charts the Democrats and Republicans were working on lowering the debt. Until the late 60's where the debt started to grow again. Then it became the efforts of the Republicans to help Clinton to hold down the debt. Then, late in Bush's term, last two years, the Democrats decide there should be no limit on the debt and drove it from 7 trillion on up to tdays over 17 trillion and still rapidly rising. Why the changes in the Democrat spending in the 60's to higher debt and now no limit on debt. No change in the Democrat name but apparently a big change in the Democrat leadership. I would guess that the Democrats changed from liberal thinkers to a more risky level of far left liberals or full blown socialist types.

Just to clear up my feelings as I don't believe we must forever live in the uncertainty and poverty of the many socialist countries of Europe here in the US. We have the abiity and right to correct many of these mistakes that have been put on to the US people.
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