Race to find Titanic tourist submarine with British billionaire and four others aboard that has vanished

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James Cameron blasts hunt for Titanic sub as 'prolonged nightmarish charade': Director claims US knew vessel had 'imploded' HOURS after it lost contact but let people 'run around talking about banging and oxygen when they knew where it was'​

James Cameron blasts hunt for Titanic sub as 'nightmarish charade' | Daily Mail Online

Top secret US Navy sonar detected Titan sub implosion HOURS after submersible lost contact with mothership - sparking questions as to why a multi-million dollar international rescue effort was launched​

Top secret US Navy sonar detected Titan sub implosion HOURS after submersible lost contact | Daily Mail Online
 

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hollydolly said:
The university student who was killed in the tragic Titanic submarine 'implosion' was 'terrified' about the trip and only joined the crew to please his dad for Father's Day, his heartbroken aunt has revealed.

Pakistani businessman Shahzada Dawood and his son Suleman, 19, were two of the five victims killed instantly when the OceanGate submersible suffered a 'catastrophic implosion' just 1,600ft from the bow of the Titanic, according to the US Coast Guard.

The other victims were OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush, French Navy veteran Paul-Henri (PH) Nargeolet and British billionaire Hamish Harding. They had been missing since the Titan sub vanished on Sunday, prompting a nail-biting search for the crew.

Tragically, Azmeh Dawood told NBC News that her nephew informed a relative he 'wasn't very up for it' but felt compelled to please his father, who was very passionate about the 1912 shipwreck.

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I am surprised that a 19 year old would legally be allowed to sign a waiver. I think you should be at least 21 years old before you can consent to taking part in something so risky.
 
hollydolly said:
I just read that about James Cameron... so now he's an expert .... I tell you, we're going to hear more theories about this disaster than about the Titanic, before we're finished with it..
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That's for sure. I heard the "Navy heard the explosion" thing yesterday... and realized right away that they couldn't very well run to the press flapping their arms screaming "they're dead, they're dead, we heard a boom, call off the search!!" :rolleyes::rolleyes: There are protocols. Conspiracy people are going to be crawling from the woodwork.
 
PeppermintPatty said:
That must have been such a sensational & spiritual experience.
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I did think beforehand that there might possibly be an insight into the meaning of life, or something like that, but it never happened. I was busier than I thought I would be, usually focused on small chores, but mostly I was thinking about what I was doing all the time. One thing I interesting about the visual universe at sea was around the middle of the trip, when the moon was in the shadow of the Earth with no nearby lights and a pollution free atmosphere, is that there are more visible stars than I ever imagined. So many that I found it almost impossible to identify familiar constellations. I could identify a couple, but that was it. All the rest were lost in a maze of stars that I had never seen the likes of before.
 
A Las Vegas financier turned down cheap seats in the Titan for him and his son on its doomed trip after raising safety concerns - but was fobbed off by the company boss who believed that descending to the bottom of the Atlantic 'was safer than crossing the street', MailOnline can reveal today.

Jay Bloom has shared texts between him and OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush showing he was offered a 'last minute price' of $150,000-a-head - $100,000 below the usual $250,000 price.

Mr Bloom, a Democrat supporter who has been photographed with Joe Biden, has described his sadness at Mr Rush's death and his grief that Shahzada Dawood and his son Suleman, who was just 19, had gone on his place and perished along with French Navy veteran Paul-Henri Nargeolet and British billionaire Hamish Harding,

In a Facebook post he said: 'I expressed safety concerns and Stockton told me: “While there's obviously risk - it's way safer than flying in a helicopter or even scuba diving".

'He was absolutely convinced that it was safer than crossing the street. I am sure he really believed what he was saying. But he was very wrong'.

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CallMeKate said:
That's for sure. I heard the "Navy heard the explosion" thing yesterday... and realized right away that they couldn't very well run to the press flapping their arms screaming "they're dead, they're dead, we heard a boom, call off the search!!" :rolleyes::rolleyes: There are protocols. Conspiracy people are going to be crawling from the woodwork.
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Conspiracy theory flourishes in the lack of actual knowledge. I don't know what compels people to speak so authoritatively about things they know so little about.

As for James Cameron, I don't know why he would have access to information no one else has.
 
A decorated former Navy doctor has revealed what would have happened during the Titanic Five's tragic final moments before their vessel suffered a 'catastrophic implosion.'

Dr. Dale Molé, the former director of undersea medicine and radiation health for the US Navy, told DailyMail.com the deaths would have been quick and painless, dying almost instantly by the extraordinary forces exerted by the ocean at depth.

Molé said: 'It would have been so sudden, that they wouldn't even have known that there was a problem, or what happened to them.

'It's like being here one minute, and then the switch is turned off. You're alive one millisecond, and the next millisecond you're dead.'

I hope this is true..
 
hollydolly said:
Molé said: 'It would have been so sudden, that they wouldn't even have known that there was a problem, or what happened to them.

'It's like being here one minute, and then the switch is turned off. You're alive one millisecond, and the next millisecond you're dead.'

I hope this is true..
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It was like that when my heart stopped a while back. One moment you are here, the next moment you are gone. What a way to go, no pain, warning, or enduring a long-term illness. Now I have to die again, and next time it may not be quick and easy. Plus a reminder, we could all go without warning, anytime, that's life or death, rich or poor.
 
Avon said:
It was like that when my heart stopped a while back. One moment you are here, the next moment you are gone. What a way to go, no pain, warning, or enduring a long-term illness. Now I have to die again, and next time it may not be quick and easy. Plus a reminder, we could all go without warning, anytime, that's life or death, rich or poor.
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so true...I was born dead, I don't remember it lol.... but you're right..each time I've gone under anaesthetic, I've said I hope I die like this.. easy and not knowing what happened...
 
CallMeKate said:
That's for sure. I heard the "Navy heard the explosion" thing yesterday... and realized right away that they couldn't very well run to the press flapping their arms screaming "they're dead, they're dead, we heard a boom, call off the search!!"
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I read that they were not 100% sure the sound they heard was the sub, they just thought it likely. Apparently the search folks were notified pretty early on, and used it to help focus the search area.

I knew it was likely the Navy heard this, they monitor ocean sounds pretty closely, looking for submarines. I suspect the Russians heard it too, and maybe others.
 
Hopefully this disaster will lead to more stringent, enforceable regulations on the construction, operation, and maintenance of manned, deep-sea subs and submersibles. Maybe it will even give fabulously wealthy risk-takers pause to think that they, too, are mortal. As for me, I love the sea and ships, but will ride on the ocean surface unless the sub is the Nautilus piloted by Captain Nemo.

The rest is silence, except for the inevitable conspiracy theories, book deals, and made-for-tv movies… 🎥
 
PeppermintPatty said:
If this submarine imploded that far down in the ocean, the pressure alone would have instantly killed them which is far better than the horrific slow drawn out death we all expected them to be going through.
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Yep, actually a pretty good way to go, one minute you are happy, healthy and excited to be on the adventure of a lifetime, the next... nothing. When the time comes I'd like to go that way...

However they experienced it too soon in life, and at great impact and expense to themselves and others.
 
Alligatorob said:
Got to be coming... aliens from the deep, Hillary, or Elvis or something. Anyone got some good guesses?
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Since it's officially a gravesite/burial site, we can be pretty sure that it's going to start circulating that the original passengers of the Titanic don't want gawkers (tourists... I think the research teams are fine and necessary for the sake of documentation for history) making their resting place into a tourist attraction.

Incidentally, they had tried to do the same with Gettysburg in the 1880s... trolly cars and electric train rides going to some kind of amusement park at Little Round Top (complete with Merry-Go-Round) but thankfully it didn't last too long.
 
Alligatorob said:
Yep, actually a pretty good way to go, one minute you are happy, healthy and excited to be on the adventure of a lifetime, the next... nothing. When the time comes I'd like to go that way...

However they experienced it too soon in life, and at great impact and expense to themselves and others.
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Exactly. It’s a great way to go but they did die FAR too young. It’s extra sad knowing this 19 young old son instinctually knew it was a bad idea yet his wish to please his father overrode his common sense to not go. That part really pulls at my heart strings cause I can truly relate to that doing anything to get the parents approval.
 
JustDave said:
I did think beforehand that there might possibly be an insight into the meaning of life, or something like that, but it never happened. I was busier than I thought I would be, usually focused on small chores, but mostly I was thinking about what I was doing all the time. One thing I interesting about the visual universe at sea was around the middle of the trip, when the moon was in the shadow of the Earth with no nearby lights and a pollution free atmosphere, is that there are more visible stars than I ever imagined. So many that I found it almost impossible to identify familiar constellations. I could identify a couple, but that was it. All the rest were lost in a maze of stars that I had never seen the likes of before.
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I suppose in a 42 foot sailboat, there would be lots to do which is probably a good thing.
I did think there would be a lot of sitting around contemplating the meaning of life etc… but watching those stars at night must have been spectacular. This journey truly is something most people could only dream about but you actually did it.

My last response was actually a lot longer but I feel uncomfortable writing in this thread that’s specifically about these people who lost their lives on their journey. It seems somewhat disrespectful to discuss a wonderful journey in the midst of this horrific tragedy however, I’m sincerely interested in your voyages and wonder if you might be interested in starting a thread or journal of your own here so I might bombard you with a slew of questions? Many others might also be interested. I’ve never personally met anyone who has done something like this and find in incredible fascinating.


There’s an outdoors section, travel section, diaries section or questions for specific members section. The latter section maybe not suitable since I’d have so many questions, I’d end up monopolizes it.
Hopefully you will take me up on it. 😊
 
Trish said:
I am surprised that a 19 year old would legally be allowed to sign a waiver. I think you should be at least 21 years old before you can consent to taking part in something so risky.
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In the U.S., at 18 you are a legal adult (age of majority) when your parents are no longer legally responsible to you. Besides the usual things like joining the military or getting your drivers license on your own, you can also enter legal contracts.

Some states may have an age restriction on things like being 21 to buy alcohol. Also, you may be considered a legal adult before 18 if you are granted a court order for emancipation, obtain certain educational degress or meet your defined state statue as an exception like getting married as a minor.

There also have been times that kids have talked their parents into signing permission slips for them to do something that they probably shouldn't have done. But in this incident, it wasn't the case.

Not sure what the laws are in other countries. Also not sure what country this contract in question would fall under.
 

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