Re: Guns in US

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Ed Mashburn

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Re: Guns in US

Good morning to all- I expect my opinion concerning guns and gun control is fairly well-known here- I've expressed it several times. I believe with all my heart there are too many guns and too too many guns of the wrong kind present in the wrong hands.
I do not expect any kind of meaningful gun restriction legislation to come along in my lifetime. The gun is too much a part of American culture.
I am the only male of my age that I know who doesn't have several guns, and most of my friends have and carry handguns on a daily basis. I choose not to have and carry guns because I am not prepared to use a gun to kill someone else, and if you're not prepared to use a gun, there's no reason to have it and carry it.
Many men in particular carry handguns because it's a cheap and easy way to strut their stuff and look big and bad. Having a gun is a way to demonstrate to the world that I'm a bad dude.
I have never, ever been in a situation where having a gun would have made things better.
But I do not think guns will ever be restricted in the US. Too much money is being made by big companies which sell guns.
And in the mean time, people- mostly people who are not carrying guns- are being killed.
So I choose to not have guns.
Good day to all- Ed
 

I agree Ed. I HATE guns. Not allowed where I live. Had a school shooting 20 years ago, no more guns, no more mass killings. Unlike the US where it's a weekly occurance.
 
Ed Mashburn said:
Good morning to all- I expect my opinion concerning guns and gun control is fairly well-known here- I've expressed it several times. I believe with all my heart there are too many guns and too too many guns of the wrong kind present in the wrong hands.
I do not expect any kind of meaningful gun restriction legislation to come along in my lifetime. The gun is too much a part of American culture.
I am the only male of my age that I know who doesn't have several guns, and most of my friends have and carry handguns on a daily basis. I choose not to have and carry guns because I am not prepared to use a gun to kill someone else, and if you're not prepared to use a gun, there's no reason to have it and carry it.
Many men in particular carry handguns because it's a cheap and easy way to strut their stuff and look big and bad. Having a gun is a way to demonstrate to the world that I'm a bad dude.
I have never, ever been in a situation where having a gun would have made things better.
But I do not think guns will ever be restricted in the US. Too much money is being made by big companies which sell guns.
And in the mean time, people- mostly people who are not carrying guns- are being killed.
So I choose to not have guns.
Good day to all- Ed
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I disagree. Most of the people killed in shootings (absent the Dallas shootings against police officers) are people who DID NOT have guns, like the folks in the Pulse shootings, etc.
 

Ed Mashburn said:
I choose not to have and carry guns because I am not prepared to use a gun to kill someone else, and if you're not prepared to use a gun, there's no reason to have it and carry it.

Many men in particular carry handguns because it's a cheap and easy way to strut their stuff and look big and bad. Having a gun is a way to demonstrate to the world that I'm a bad dude.

I have never, ever been in a situation where having a gun would have made things better.

Good day to all- Ed
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Good afternoon Ed-

I'm glad you choose not to have or carry a gun, if you are afraid of them and not prepared or knowledgeable enough to use them, it's the wise thing to do. I'd rather see people like you without a gun in their home or in their possession, better for us all.

There are many law abiding responsible American citizens who own guns and now conceal carry. They do not in any way do so to 'strut their stuff and look big and bad'. That's your biased opinion, and unreasonable to paint all firearm owners with such a negative broad brush. But it's common to see the anti-gun people like yourself engaging in this type of insulting criticism.

I have never been in a situation where having a gun would have made things better or saved my life, and hopefully I never will have to be. But if that situation did present itself in my home, I hopefully would be alive to tell my story, not another dead victim of a criminal.

Good day Ed-
 
Ameriscot said:
I agree Ed. I HATE guns. Not allowed where I live. Had a school shooting 20 years ago, no more guns, no more mass killings. Unlike the US where it's a weekly occurance.
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The last time I was in the UK there was a news broadcast on the telly about a nutcase shooting up a fast food joint. British law just says you can't defend yourself.
 
Good evening to all-
Seabreeze- Let's be accurate here. I am quite knowledgeable about guns, and I know damned well how to use them.When I raised livestock, I had a single shot .22 that went with me everywhere because I had to kill stray and abandoned dogs and coyotes that were trying to kill my calves and sheep. A single shot .22 was perfectly adequate for my needs. I used to hunt, too. I once had a number of rifles and shotguns. I am quite capable of using firearms.
But I have no reason to have guns now. I don't hunt- I don't like the taste of most wild game, and if I'm not going to consume the game, I'm not going to kill it. And as far as handguns go, I have never been in a situation where I needed one.
I have had students who were severely injured and killed by firearms-handguns in every case-, and if losing a promising student to some sort of stupid gun-related action doesn't make you think that perhaps there are too many guns in our society, then you see the world through different eyes from me.
And while my opinion may be biased about men who carry handguns and make it obvious to the world that they are carrying, I do believe in many cases that these men are not really ever in any danger from being attacked and therefore in need of protection. I do believe a lot of men like to strut their stuff and let the world know how big a man they are.
And as far as needing a handgun to survive a bad situation, perhaps we shouldn't put ourselves in bad places for bad situations to develop. And yes, I do believe that we can see a lot of bad situations coming in time to avoid them.
With all due respect, I think you underestimate me and my depth of feeling on this topic. And I don't expect that we'll ever find any agreement on this question.
Good evening to all- Ed
 
Ed Mashburn said:
Good evening to all-
Seabreeze- Let's be accurate here. I am quite knowledgeable about guns, and I know damned well how to use them.When I raised livestock, I had a single shot .22 that went with me everywhere because I had to kill stray and abandoned dogs and coyotes that were trying to kill my calves and sheep.

But I have no reason to have guns now. I don't hunt- I don't like the taste of most wild game, and if I'm not going to consume the game, I'm not going to kill it. And as far as handguns go, I have never been in a situation where I needed one.

And as far as needing a handgun to survive a bad situation, perhaps we shouldn't put ourselves in bad places for bad situations to develop. And yes, I do believe that we can see a lot of bad situations coming in time to avoid them.

With all due respect, I think you underestimate me and my depth of feeling on this topic. And I don't expect that we'll ever find any agreement on this question.
Good evening to all- Ed
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You've made it clear that you're damned well capable of shooting a gun Ed, good for you. So am I, but unlike you I've never killed anything like dogs or coyotes with my guns. I don't hunt either, but if I needed the meat for food I would.

I think there are too many criminals in our society, not too many guns. I don't conceal carry (yet), as I haven't felt the need to. I will have a gun when in the wilderness camping for protection from any attacker, two or four-legged. In all my years, even closely around bears and coyotes, I haven't had to kill to protect myself.

The bad situation I mentioned is if an intruder came into my home to do harm to me or my family, in that case I'd have no problem at all using the gun to protect myself from being a victim of a criminal. Unlike you Ed, I don't need a reason or excuse to own a firearm.

I don't underestimate your deep feelings on this topic at all, there are many more just like you out there. My pleasure to agree to disagree, I wouldn't want it any other way.
 
Like SeaBreeze, I don't CC either. But I DO have firearms in my home for self defense and if I ever had to use one for that purpose I wouldn't hesitate to do so. I don't carry a weapon in my car when out and about in town (legal here), but I DO take one with me if I'm going to be out of the city through the desert and uninhabited areas, for protection against predators both human and non-human.

I don't need a reason or excuse either -- I have the Second Amendment.
 
Ed Mashburn said:
And while my opinion may be biased about men who carry handguns and make it obvious to the world that they are carrying, I do believe in many cases that these men are not really ever in any danger from being attacked and therefore in need of protection. I do believe a lot of men like to strut their stuff and let the world know how big a man they are.
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I have a next door neighbor (woman) who was just telling me she bought an additional handgun. She was so happy with it, she went back to the guy and got another. She didn't mention how many she already had, but there are now two more. She tried to joke by saying she'd "protect the neighborhood" while holding her hands like two guns shooting.

My interpretation of my neighbor is, that after watching/listening to Conservative Talk Radio nonstop from morning til evening loud in the yard/neighborhood. I can't always make out the words but do recognize voices like Rush's. In my opinion she's listened to so much doom, gloom and fear mongering she's loading up her arsenal.
 
jnos said:
... In my opinion she's listened to so much doom, gloom and fear mongering she's loading up her arsenal.
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This happened to my mother in the last few years of her life, watching nonstop crime reporting on the news on TV from Atlanta. That's about all they report on the news there. She lived in the country, not even close to Atlanta. And of course Atlanta has a metro population of 3 million, so you are always gonna find some crime to report. She started wanting a gun around all the time. At least she didn't want it loaded, and was happy with a .22. More for frightening an intruder, rather than shooting one.

My girlfriend keeps a loaded handgun in the nightstand near her bed all the time, and they have lots of young grandchildren who come to visit often. How you gonna safely reach for it in the dark? She says they put it away when the kids come to visit, but what if you forget one time?

I think the odds of having an accident are much greater than the odds you would ever need it to frighten anyone off. Just my take on it. Big cities may be different. Never lived in one. A rifle or a shotgun works just as well to frighten someone.
 
Manatee said:
The last time I was in the UK there was a news broadcast on the telly about a nutcase shooting up a fast food joint. British law just says you can't defend yourself.
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The guiding laws for firearms in Scotland are the Firearms (Scotland) Rules 1989 and the Firearms Act (1968). All handguns, semi-automatic and pump-action non-rim-fire rifles are prohibited. A few pistols are licensed on a Firearm Certificate for exactly the same reasons as the rest of Great Britain.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/15/so-america-this-is-how-you-do-gun-control

Edit: the McDonalds shooting was two teens in 2006. Hardly a daily occurrance is it?
 
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SeaBreeze said:
You've made it clear that you're damned well capable of shooting a gun Ed, good for you. So am I, but unlike you I've never killed anything like dogs or coyotes with my guns. I don't hunt either, but if I needed the meat for food I would.

I think there are too many criminals in our society, not too many guns. I don't conceal carry (yet), as I haven't felt the need to. I will have a gun when in the wilderness camping for protection from any attacker, two or four-legged. In all my years, even closely around bears and coyotes, I haven't had to kill to protect myself.

The bad situation I mentioned is if an intruder came into my home to do harm to me or my family, in that case I'd have no problem at all using the gun to protect myself from being a victim of a criminal. Unlike you Ed, I don't need a reason or excuse to own a firearm.

I don't underestimate your deep feelings on this topic at all, there are many more just like you out there. My pleasure to agree to disagree, I wouldn't want it any other way.
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I know that you are very definite on your right to carry guns SeaBreeze, but I'd like to ask you, how do you feel about the failure of officials to curtail the straw purchases that apparently are sickenly easy to accomplish and which facilitate all those criminals getting their hands on weapons to assault the public and each other with?
 
Largest straw buy in history was in 2013 in Phonix Arizona by the mayor and city council illegal as heck no one went to jail
next largest was Fast and Furious staged by no less than Eric Holder of Wait for it The Dept of Justice one of Big Os bots nobody knows the total number of guns channeled to Mexican gun cartels
next ones are by Bloombergs moms against guns who was stopped by a federal court just last week
They were trying to sucker gun dealers into selling them the guns
85% of gun crimes are done with stolen guns
When you buy a gun the 4377 form asks if it's a straw purchase and if it is you have just committed a felony
since the gov doesn't enforce the laws that are already there -- lets makes some more coupled with crimals following the law makes a special kind of stupid

most of the mass shootings have been done with legal channel guns

you should take heart though Mass AG has just outlawed the sale of mags greater 10 and those nasty assault rifles. Notice that is the public sale, there is nothing they can do about ownership violates Heller
and of course Cal just passed there laws that should make you happy, I am happily waiting to watch them try to enforce them
Washington state just pass a FTF law no face to face sales. I'm sure everyone into guns is still laughing still trying to figure out what it means
After 2 years the compliance rate for Conn. And NY who have these laws is only .05 % of ar owners registering. Does that mean that 1/2 million gun owners are standing in civil disobediene or they really don't know how many ars are out there so no accurate number

hillary will probably get to test the 35 or so states who changed their constitution to stop her specially in the previous 2 years

Big O just passed an executive order stating that all gunsmiths must register with ITAR. Getting really desperate here that means no screw drivers for you bunky

ED stop watching so much tv

and remember

BLACK GUNS MATTER
 
Good evening to all-
rt3- I assume that's your name- for your information, I do not watch tv. I do go through life with my eyes and ears open, and I see what's going on in the world.
And what's going on is this: Too many people on the US have too many guns, and kids and other people are being killed by guns. And yes, I realize that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to bear arms. I also realize that the world has changed very much since the Second Amendment was written, and I seriously doubt that the founders would see our society and the problems we face in the same light that they saw the problems of their time- and therefore, they probably would not think that unlimited gun access such as we have now would be such a very good thing.
As I mentioned earlier, having people close to you killed by guns- whether used in anger or in accident- changes the way you see the world. At least, it changed the way I see the world.
I hope that all of the "you can't make me give up MY guns" folks never have to deal with loved ones or other people close to you being killed or severely damaged by guns.
good evening to all- Ed
 
Expression Ed - watching tv -- living in a fantasy world, yours --chill

if you have an opinion --- it's on a bell curve --- somewhere

im just bringing you up to date on the legal stuff

you and quicksilver like to use arguements from emotion , one of the 11 deadly sins of debate , straw man , and slippery slopes are favorites here ---- you use it and I'll hammer you with it

to use your own form of arguement , after putting my hands on my hips and moving my head back and forth, "you don't know how many love ones I lost to guns in wars or on the streets so don't "

so I hope when you all the 2nd Amd. Doesn't aply to blah blah blah folk you will at least be informed enough not to blah blah
 
rt3 said:
Expression Ed - watching tv -- living in a fantasy world, yours --chill

if you have an opinion --- it's on a bell curve --- somewhere

im just bringing you up to date on the legal stuff

you and quicksilver like to use arguements from emotion , one of the 11 deadly sins of debate , straw man , and slippery slopes are favorites here ---- you use it and I'll hammer you with it

to use your own form of arguement , after putting my hands on my hips and moving my head back and forth, "you don't know how many love ones I lost to guns in wars or on the streets so don't "

so I hope when you all the 2nd Amd. Doesn't aply to blah blah blah folk you will at least be informed enough not to blah blah
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I don't think he is living in a fantasy world. He has had real experiences that have taught him about guns and have made him think the way he does. Everyone's point of view matters.
 
rt3- thank you very much for bringing me up to date on current expressions. I lost track on trying to keep up with such things when I quit teaching middle school. Also, thank you for educating me on debate technique- I haven't taught that for several years.
And as far as living in a fantasy world- I don't think speaking the truth- as I see it- is living in a fantasy world.
And be careful about putting your hands on your hips and moving your head- folks might get the wrong idea about you.
I appreciate your opinions, rt3- I just can't accept them.
I'm glad I'm going fishing tomorrow- I need to get away from the screen for awhile.
good evening to all- Ed
 
Ruthanne said:
I don't think he is living in a fantasy world. He has had real experiences that have taught him about guns and have made him think the way he does. Everyone's point of view matters.
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We all live in a fantasy world just ask Shali
 
Sorry again but you don't get to define reality. Your using a comparative approach exp. Disneyland is Fantasy, people with mental health issues can replace or project etc etc

there is no way any human can know reality with the limitations placed on their sensory equipment. Hills multiple universe destroys reality arguments on the theory level, Schroeder cat on the physics level, and Godels limited information on the math level. I'll do it now on the medical level. "Are you currently taking any prescription medications?"
 
rt3 said:
Sorry again but you don't get to define reality. Your using a comparative approach exp. Disneyland is Fantasy, people with mental health issues can replace or project etc etc

there is no way any human can know reality with the limitations placed on their sensory equipment. Hills multiple universe destroys reality arguments on the theory level, Schroeder cat on the physics level, and Godels limited information on the math level. I'll do it now on the medical level. "Are you currently taking any prescription medications?"
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And you get to define reality? You don't know what approach I am using obviously as I didn't say any of those things you are saying! I gave you an article to read that proves what I was saying and I don't know what all you are talking about on all that stuff you said.

Yes, fantasy is a vital part of life but the article is about people who actually "live in a fantasy world" as per your words.

First of all you told me to let Shali define my reality and when I didn't you seemed to get unhinged. Many things define my reality.

PS. I am ending this argument as it is not going anywhere. Peace. I guess we are off topic too. LOL ;)
 
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