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Magna-Carta said:
I'm struggling to understand the point of these comments when they are not reflective of the post of the person you are referring to. Often, something coming across as "sarcastic, condescending or dismissive" might only seem that way if the person reading chose to see it that way, when it might not have been meant that way in the original post.
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Sorry you feel that way. i think if she hadn't meant it she would more likely have stated that she didn'[t mean it that way.
Instead she further tried to 'correct me' by saying 'That was uncalled for.'

But that is how i experienced what she said---maybe that's not who 'she is' to you. But how is it anything but dismissive to leave no room for personal experiences or others of the possibility the person making pronouncement about what is 'incorrect', when it merely doesn't fit with current paradigms might be mistaken.
 

feywon said:
Sorry you feel that way. i think if she hadn't meant it she would more likely have stated that she didn'[t mean it that way.
Instead she further tried to 'correct me' by saying 'That was uncalled for.'

But that is how i experienced what she said---maybe that's not who 'she is' to you. But how is it anything but dismissive to leave no room for personal experiences or others of the possibility the person making pronouncement about what is 'incorrect', when it merely doesn't fit with current paradigms might be mistaken.
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I can't speak on behalf of someone. But I get the impression there are double standards here. And assumptions made on your part as much as anyone else's. This post here of yours being full of assumptions. Maybe some self reflection of your own posts might help
 
Talking about these topics on an open forum is risky business. Itā€™s discussing peopleā€™s belief system which is basically hardwired in most people. Most people who believe in the kinds of things you are referring to have had certain experiences in their life that have lead to their conviction of afterlife. Most people havenā€™t so our stories are nothing more than that. Stories. I applaud your courage to speak about such things but in the end, all youā€™ll end up doing is pushing people away from you unintentionally.
Itā€™s similar to discussing religion or politics. They really ARE subjects that should not be discussed on an open forum.
Itā€™s sort of asking for trouble.
Iā€™m definitely not putting you down for your personal beliefs. Iā€™m just trying to save you some agony.
 
Magna-Carta said:
That kind of what I was alluding to in my post #14

As for, "Consciousness, like the soul, is eternal", it raises the question of what does Eternal mean in this context. Eternal as in it has always been with no beginning, or did it have a beginning and its continuation is never ending.

If consciousness has a relationship with reincarnation, then when did this eternal consciousness start? Did it start before our planet existed, or only after? If it started before our planet, then where else did our consciousness reside -- on another planet, inside a different organism.
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When and how did the universe start? Astrophysicists are still working out that out, especially the how in light of new evidence.

i can offer no evidence of consciousness having no beginning or ending, the strictest definition of the word 'eternal' but i have seen no evidence of having either beginning or ending either. And what makes you think consciousness is confined to humans or this planet?
 
feywon said:
When and how did the universe start? Astrophysicists are still working out that out, especially the how in light of new evidence.

i can offer no evidence of consciousness having no beginning or ending, the strictest definition of the word 'eternal' but i have seen no evidence of having either beginning or ending either. And what makes you think consciousness is confined to humans or this planet?
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What makes you think that was in my mind -- what makes you think that was even alluded to in anything I said.

This thread is going to go nowhere at this rate. How are you going to pull it back.
 
PeppermintPatty said:
Talking about these topics on an open forum is risky business. Itā€™s discussing peopleā€™s belief system which is basically hardwired in most people. Most people who believe in the kinds of things you are referring to have had certain experiences in their life that have lead to their conviction of afterlife. Most people havenā€™t so our stories are nothing more than that. Stories. I applaud your courage to speak about such things but in the end, all youā€™ll end up doing is pushing people away from you unintentionally.
Itā€™s similar to discussing religion or politics. They really ARE subjects that should not be discussed on an open forum.
Itā€™s sort of asking for trouble.
Iā€™m definitely not putting you down for your personal beliefs. Iā€™m just trying to save you some agony.
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Oh, my dear... You think i haven't spent a large segment of this lifetime going thru this little dance with both theists and atheists? Both of whom tend to take a negative view on 'such things'. Fortunately, by this latter third of my life i have learned to not determine my own self-worth on the basis of what others think of me--for good or ill. Tho i thank you for kind thoughts.

And i would like to point out that i rarely if ever go on threads started by others and criticize what they choose to believe, unless they are using it to attack others.
 
feywon said:
Oh, my dear... You think i haven't spent a large segment of this lifetime going thru this little dance with both theists and atheists? Both of whom tend to take a negative view on 'such things'. Fortunately, by this latter third of my life i have learned to not determine my own self-worth on the basis of what others think of me--for good or ill. Tho i thank you for kind thoughts.

And i would like to point out that i rarely if ever go on threads started by others and criticize what they choose to believe, unless they are using it to attack others.
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True. Youā€™re a big girl and Iā€™m sure you can handle yourself. I just like you and donā€™t wish to see you hurt. I shall leave this alone though. Itā€™s probably more that ā€˜Iā€™ canā€™t handle it.
 
Magna-Carta said:
What makes you think that was in my mind -- what makes you think that was even alluded to in anything I said.

This thread is going to go nowhere at this rate. How are you going to pull it back.
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1) i'm sorry i did misread your last sentence. You only suggested consciousness has to have an organism (as in some kind of physical body?) to exist. Which i don't believe it is.

2) As to what is in bold, OP's alone are not responsible for where a thread goes. How all contributors add to it and interact with each other matters too. No-one is obligated to any thread when it ceases to interest them. i would be sad to see you go because until you commented on my interaction with someone else you were contributing some interesting things to think about.
 
PeppermintPatty said:
True. Youā€™re a big girl and Iā€™m sure you can handle yourself. I just like you and donā€™t wish to see you hurt. I shall leave this alone though. Itā€™s probably more that ā€˜Iā€™ canā€™t handle it.
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If ever you need to talk with anyone about any 'experiences', feel free to pm me.
 
feywon said:
You are a referring to a simple statement of fact i made, why wouldn't any offense taken be in others' minds not my words?
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No, this is not going to work. Don't twist my words with questions that arn't related to what was posted.
 
Magna-Carta said:
I can't speak on behalf of someone. But I get the impression there are double standards here. And assumptions made on your part as much as anyone else's. This post here of yours being full of assumptions. Maybe some self reflection of your own posts might help
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But you did speak on someone's behalf, assuming she had no negative intent. While if you've known someone for years even just online, that might be reasonable. If know any history they have with the party to whom they are speaking it might confirm or refute your assumption, which is in the end no more/less valid than my feelings.

i do reflect on my posts and the reactions, comments. If only more people did so about their own words.
 
feywon said:
Whoa...denial much?
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You really do need to read what I say and not to what you think I might mean. Whats in your mind as your interpretation of my words isn't whats in my mind.

What are you going to to to pull this thread back around?
 
Alligatorob said:
No experiences, and to be honest I don't believe in it.

However a lot of people do, and I find the subject and this thread interesting. It is an intriguing idea, one I wish was true. And who knows, I've been wrong before...
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We all have. i know i have. And it could have continued had others that don't believe not felt the need to take the position that they have the one only truth. And someone else consciously or subconsciously decided to play "Let's you and she fight." escalating the disagreement. Ah, well such is life on the internet.

i'm going to leave this thread lay fallow for awhile, at least until someone interested in discussing the topic and allowing room for others 'experiences'.
 
@Magna-Carta said "What are you going to to to pull this thread back around?"
i believe i answered that in #36.

What would you have me do? i suggest if you have a true interest in turning the thread around you go back and read my OP, where i gave various suggestions as to the kinds of things people might post and pick some option i gave, or post more of the things you were pre-derailment.

i would not object to YT videos that even full on believers in reincarnation would view somewhat judgmentally because as i told someone else there's almost too much public commentary --and a lot of it is clearly just people jumping on a band wagon trying to make money in some way or hungry for followers on YT. They can be funny same as some of the purported 'ghost' ones on YT are.

i didn't want this to be all about me and my experiences. i wanted this to be a 'safe place' to share and consider various explanations for phenomena.
 
feywon said:
@Magna-Carta said "What are you going to to to pull this thread back around?"
i believe i answered that in #36.

What would you have me do? i suggest if you have a true interest in turning the thread around you go back and read my OP, where i gave various suggestions as to the kinds of things people might post and pick some option i gave, or post more of the things you were pre-derailment.

i would not object to YT videos that even full on believers in reincarnation would view somewhat judgmentally because as i told someone else there's almost too much public commentary --and a lot of it is clearly just people jumping on a band wagon trying to make money in some way or hungry for followers on YT. They can be funny same as some of the purported 'ghost' ones on YT are.

i didn't want this to be all about me and my experiences. i wanted this to be a 'safe place' to share and consider various explanations for phenomena.
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Then let's continue, But @feywon , please don't tell me what I mean and what's in my mind, or in anyone else's for that matter. Or this or any other thread will get nowhere. You will never know whats in my mind unless I tell you.

I don't ask questions in discussions to be dismissive. I ask questions to see if the discussion can be opened, and explored. I asked questions to see if I can gain some clarity or to see if in part my own questions create a debate within myself, to then put forward more thoughts.

If I'm in denial about anything, as you put it of me, I will be the first to tell everyone about it.
 
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I hope some don't mind me copying and pasting this i typed somewhere else; and now here with some additions. In a way it's a continuation of my post #5. And might give more insight to where I was as a child. I'm not entirely sure what it all means, all I know it was somewhat real at the time:

I think a child's mind can be quite 'powerful', more than we realise as adults. As a child I always feared that I might lose something as I grew up, such as vague memories of a before time.

My thoughts were correct as a young child, in that adult things and responsibilities take us away from where we came from and who or what we might have known ā€” before we arrived here in this existence, perhaps??

I would think that maybe I have gone through this 'living' process several times, with memories being ever so slightly reinforced each time. Or at least that's what I wondered as a 5 year old. I really donā€™t know, but thatā€™s what it felt like as a child.

As a child I thought that when I leave this existence and come back again my memories of before would get stronger each time and that I would eventually remember them, and then have better clarity of what might have gone before. Not remember the previous existence on this planet per se, but the place in between, whatever that might be; whatever it was that I felt I had a 'real' connection with as a child. It felt as though I'd been on this planet before. As a young child I wasn't interested in the 'life' before, I was interested in the place between lives.

Those thoughts of what was before, and kind of memories of before that do fade. Perhaps for most of us they are meant to fade so we can deal with the here and now, and not be influenced by a potential before time?

Iā€™m not religious, and I donā€™t want to be, but in a way I have memories of memories. Memories of the other ā€™realā€™ me; the child me. The me with different insights and perspectives. Maybe I will meet up again somewhere with the things I might have known before this existence. My parents perhaps; the parents I might have also known in the between time. As a child I used to think my parents havenā€™t gone through this cycle as many times as me, as they didnā€™t yet think like me.

I don't know where those thoughts and feelings came from as a child of less than 5 years old. They were not of childish imagination, or so I thought. They were with me already.

UPDATE: As I got older, the prediction that my thoughts and pre-memories (for want of a better phrase) would fade when I became an adult were realised. I became evidence based; facts; data; repetition of results etc. When I was young, no one in my family had ever spoken of reincarnation, I wouldn't have even known what it meant; no one was religious either. But I still wonder where my thoughts and memories came from as a child. So I am left with the child me and the adult me, in battle with myself sometimes. Fact vs fiction; reality vs what isnt real, and at times not knowing fully which is which.

I would visit places with my parents, visiting people I've never seen before, only to look at them and think, "I've seen these people before; I know what they are going to do next; I already know their mannerisms; I know what they are about to do with their hands; the way they are going to walk across the room when they get up from a chair.
 
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interesting thread thus far... as for me, I'm inclined to believe that we do 'recirculate.' what scares me spitless is the current 'sorry' state of our planet. should I die tonight, what condition will the Earth be in on the next go around? I've been dwelling on that a lot lately. shiver me timbers, eh?
 
feywon said:
NOTE: Many westerners mistakenly think of 'soul mates' strictly in terms of romantic love but that is not the case. Edgar Cayce, who in waking life was a devout Christian came to believe in 'family Karma' and that some 'soul groups' reincarnate together.
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While I donā€™t know if there is such a thing as family karma or soul groups it is an idea that resonates with me . Also ancestral memories. It is something I often think on.

Iā€™ve found it curious that I am unable to watch any videos showing large ocean waves or anything to do with a tidal wave without feeling dread and anxiety. I have to look away from the screen. Iā€™ve never lived near an ocean in this lifetime.

If there is reincarnation Iā€™m hoping I will come back with some kind of musical ability next time !
 
MountainRa said:
While I donā€™t know if there is such a thing as family karma or soul groups it is an idea that resonates with me . Also ancestral memories. It is something I often think on.

Iā€™ve found it curious that I am unable to watch any videos showing large ocean waves or anything to do with a tidal wave without feeling dread and anxiety. I have to look away from the screen. Iā€™ve never lived near an ocean in this lifetime.

If there is reincarnation Iā€™m hoping I will come back with some kind of musical ability next time !
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it's ok to not be sure.
What i put in bold of your comment--i'm that way but mostly with images of the holocaust. Reading about marginally easier tho i can only do a bit at a time. My daughter has speculated i was either someone who died in the camps or one of those 'good Germans' who looked away and deeply regret doing so. The one thing that supports the notion of my having experienced that horror first hand rather just my empathetic nature in overdrive, is that i can look at images of other genocidal atrocities full on--they make me angry and sad all at once. But holocaust imagery just undoes me.
 
Magna-Carta said:
Then let's continue, But @feywon , please don't tell me what I mean and what's in my mind, or in anyone else's for that matter. Or this or any other thread will get nowhere. You will never know whats in my mind unless I tell you.

I don't ask questions in discussions to be dismissive. I ask questions to see if the discussion can be opened, and explored. I asked questions to see if I can gain some clarity or to see if in part my own questions create a debate within myself, to then put forward more thoughts.

If I'm in denial about anything, as you put it of me, I will be the first to tell everyone about it.
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Can i as you for clarification of statements? Some people take that wrong, some just ignore. this post is quite clear and yes lets continue.
 

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