Reminder: Flu Season is Coming..or may have arrived...

Jace

Jace

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Protect yourself with a flu shot/vaccine..
It may prevent you from getting most flu strains
and is generally safe.

The best time to receive a flu shot is October thru November.

It takes approximately two weeks for a flu vaccine to provide complete protection
(All👆 from KP Health publication)

Do you..have you gotten yours?😉
 

Why so many of these hypochondria threads? Didn't we just have one?

Aren't there more important phobias? You just know that kid up the street is peeking in your windows. That guy who accidentally made eye contact with you across town a couple of years ago is stalking you. That bag of chocolate truffles you bought only has 139 of them, not 140 as "estimated" on the label.
 
dilettante said:
Why so many of these hypochondria threads? Didn't we just have one?

Aren't there more important phobias?
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1. Influenza is not a hypochondriac illness.
2. I suggest that you check the definition of phobia.
Concern about the ill effects of the flu, especially on the aging, is entirely rational.
I stay out of certain threads and I'd like to suggest that threads like this aren't for you.
 
My grandfather wouldn’t get a flu shot because he said it gave him the flu. Of course, he died of complications of the flu. Not something to mess with, especially if over 65 with diabetes, obesity, and heart disease (which was his situation).
 
HermitHogan said:
I got the latest covid booster along with a flu shot several weeks ago. Wouldn't you know it? I caught a cold! It's not real severe... at this point, I just have a stuffy nose.
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Can I ask a question? Did you recently start using your furnace because the weather is getting colder where you are? We got our flu and covid shots a week ago too and my husband promptly started complaining of a cold as well. But then, we remembered that he had the same kind of reaction happening about the same time last year and just after we got our shots then. We're kind of thinking at this point that it's more of a seasonal thing because the furnace is blowing dust through the air. His cold isn't amounting to more than sneezes and stuffy nose too. No coughing, no sore throat.
 
EmptyCup said:
My grandfather wouldn’t get a flu shot because he said it gave him the flu. Of course, he died of complications of the flu. Not something to mess with, especially if over 65 with diabetes, obesity, and heart disease (which was his situation).
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I mean no disrespect to your grandfather or anyone on here, but if someone dies and has the flu but has obesity, diabetes, heart disease or something else...was it the flu that caused their death?

How come we always assume its the cold and flu? Maybe his body was fighting the heart disease or diabetes and just couldn't take the extra effort of his body fighting another issue, in this case, the flu.

I mean if someone is clearly suffering and slowly dying of heart disease, lets say, and they get a cold or stomach flu or something else and then they die quicker, is it the secondary thing that caused their death or the huge original issue that was causing the death anyway?

I find it so sad that in the world today we take a 99.8% harmless issue like a cold and flu, but when it affects people with cancer, heart issues, diabetes, pancreatitis, and causes their death, then it's the big boogie man.

How about deal with diabetes, obesity, heart disease, just general diseases first, then worry about other things. Eg the odds of you dying as a healthy person of a cold is 0.27 percent. Dying of heart disease if you have it is 97 percent. Which one is the boogie man?

Health depts should be preaching being a normal weight, eating right and less of it, exercising more. Obesity is an epidemic in the west. Diabetes is 3.5 percent genetic. So that means that 96.5 percent of people with diabetes got it due to lifestyle. So that means it can be reversed. Obesity can be reversed as well. But no we focus on new drugs, new vaccines, new weight loss stuff (stomach stapling, Ozempic-really?, insulin pumps and on).

I have this online a few times....if a person is hit by a car and bleeding out, slowly dying, but someone comes along and shoots him before he dies, which one was the cause of death? (We all know it was the gun, but they would have died in 3-5 min of bleeding out). So philosophically, which one is the true cause?
 
Would it be a good idea to go back to wearing masks? We still don't know just how effective they are but we are now in the virus season, with so many illnesses around and people huddling together in airless spaces. Most stores don't have air purifiers. I think they should be made compulsory.
 
Tazx said:
How come we always assume its the cold and flu? Maybe his body was fighting the heart disease or diabetes and just couldn't take the extra effort of his body fighting another issue, in this case, the flu.

I mean if someone is clearly suffering and slowly dying of heart disease, lets say, and they get a cold or stomach flu or something else and then they die quicker, is it the secondary thing that caused their death or the huge original issue that was causing the death anyway?
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of course if people have heart disease, diabetes etc they are more at risk of influenza and dying from that - obviously why most countries include medically at risk people in their funded criteria.

Which of the illnesses had the greater component in their death seems a moot point if they could have avoided influenza death by getting vaccinated.

if I had heart disease which is going to kill me eventually I wouldn't hurry that up by getting influenza disease.
 
Lavinia said:
Would it be a good idea to go back to wearing masks? We still don't know just how effective they are but we are now in the virus season, with so many illnesses around and people huddling together in airless spaces. Most stores don't have air purifiers. I think they should be made compulsory.
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individuals might want to wear masks - and nothing t o stop them doing so. I see a few people here still doing that

But, No, I dont think they should be compulsory now - except perhaps in limited settings - chemo units and suchlike.

Covid is till around - as is influenza RSV etc - but the pandemic emergency is over.
 
Lavinia said:
Would it be a good idea to go back to wearing masks? We still don't know just how effective they are but we are now in the virus season, with so many illnesses around and people huddling together in airless spaces. Most stores don't have air purifiers. I think they should be made compulsory.
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Well if mask worked sure I guess. But since they don't, not really usefull.
 
January said:
of course if people have heart disease, diabetes etc they are more at risk of influenza and dying from that - obviously why most countries include medically at risk people in their funded criteria.

Which of the illnesses had the greater component in their death seems a moot point if they could have avoided influenza death by getting vaccinated.

if I had heart disease which is going to kill me eventually I wouldn't hurry that up by getting influenza disease.
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Well, I hate to burst your bubble, but here are some stats for you...
Flu vaccine licensed in the us in 1945. Really became big in the late 50's when more and more people took it. It has been pushed hard since the 80's and really hard since the 90's.
The statistics haven't changed one bit.

The flu shot has not done a darn thing to prevent deaths.
Each and every year the same amount of people in Canada (I'm using my country) of cold/flu. Some years a bit higher, some years a bit lower, but the avg is always the same. And about 40-50 percent of people get it. But in the late 60's and through the 70's, only about 15-20 percent got it in canada, and you know what, the same averages as now.

1960-1980 15-20% Flu shots uptake, 3500 avg deaths, 12k hospitalized each year.
1980-2000 35-40% Flu shots uptake, 3500 avg deaths, 12k hosp.
2000-2023 40-50% Flu shots uptake, 3500 avg deaths, 12k hosp.

Actually since 2000, the cold and flu are higher, but for the sake or this conversation, we wont go there.

So my question is...why hasn't the cold and flu shots prevented anything? Same amount of hospitalizations, same avg deaths yet higher uptake. What's wrong with that picture?

There was a 20/20 or CBS (not sure) tv episode back in the late 80's (88 or 89) where they actually asked the question. They started off by saying for 38 years we have had a flu shot, but nothing has changed. Has it failed.

Well the thing about having a shot for this or a shot for that for 20, 40 or 60 years is it provides statistical data. The flu shot does nothing. Most vaccines do nothing. The measles rate since the 70's is the same, but more kids have the measles shot. We can go on, but I think my point is made.

So, more people, taking shots than ever before, but same or more deaths. Hmmm. If you kept taking your car to the same mechanic but it kept breaking down would you still go back>
 
Lavinia said:
Would it be a good idea to go back to wearing masks? We still don't know just how effective they are but we are now in the virus season, with so many illnesses around and people huddling together in airless spaces. Most stores don't have air purifiers. I think they should be made compulsory.
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In some situations it still makes sense for me.

I spend most of my time alone and feel that might make me more susceptible to whatever bugs are floating around in crowded places so I still carry a mask and wear it when I feel that it makes sense for me.

Don’t wait to be told, do what you feel is appropriate to protect yourself and your loved ones.
 
I received my flu vaccination last Friday after 2 weeks of the Covid booster. I had no reaction to either of them, not even a sore vaccination spot on arm. I think they help and do not tell others to do the same. It is just my choice.
 
Lavinia said:
Would it be a good idea to go back to wearing masks? We still don't know just how effective they are but we are now in the virus season, with so many illnesses around and people huddling together in airless spaces. Most stores don't have air purifiers. I think they should be made compulsory.
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Here in Toronto the 7 largest health care hospitals are re-introducing mandatory masks for ALL staff, patients, and visitors on November the first. Previously at these hospitals SOME patient treatment areas required masks be worn, but now it is a general requirement for every one who enters the buildings. Obviously there is no doubt that medical professionals know the benefits for masking of every one who enters the hospitals. Ontario has a population of 15 million people, and last week more than 700 people were in hospitals here, being treated for Covid related illness, and 17 people in Ontario died from Covid infections. It's STILL here.
 

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