Renters taking advantage of coronavirus no-eviction orders become squatters

Em in Ohio

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Scoundrels: people who signed short-term rental agreements for luxury/beach front properties have stopped paying and are refusing to leave . The landlords are stuck. Per no-eviction orders, they cannot legally have these tenants removed, or move back into their own homes, or can't sell them. This is especially true in U.S. border states where well-intentioned orders are backfiring for property owners and letting unscrupulous scoundrels live the good life for free.

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/05/21/covid-19-housing-issues-sag-harbor/
 

I understand the law, but won’t the renters still owe the money? So, when the squatters finally do leave, the owner can start collection proceedings? Right, or am I off track?
Yes, they will still owe the money. But it will require owners to wait until the no-eviction orders are cancelled or modified before they can even file for evictions. Meanwhile, the landlords may have mortgage lenders on their backs, as well. The likelihood that they will ever recoup their lost money is slim.
 
Yes, they will still owe the money. But it will require owners to wait until the no-eviction orders are cancelled or modified before they can even file for evictions. Meanwhile, the landlords may have mortgage lenders on their backs, as well. The likelihood that they will ever recoup their lost money is slim.

Here in PA, there used to be a law (and maybe still is) that if the landlord could prove the renters had funds to pay their rent, they could place a lien on that account. Thinking out loud.
 
I can only speak for Pennsylvania laws. I do know that the CARES act only protects renters from evictions that are living in apartments or homes that are backed by a federal mortgage program. As for shutting off utilities on other homes, that would work under certain conditions like, what time of year it is and if there are children in the home.
Also, landlords cannot do a self-eviction. This must be done by a Constable or Sheriff. Landlords who do these self-evictions can be held liable for any property damage caused during the eviction. Pennsylvania does not set tenants out on the street. There is a process that the Sheriff’s office performs to make sure that the tenants being evicted are treated responsibly.
 
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I have,not renters, but buyers and I'm holding an "owner carry". They stopped paying saying the escrow office was closed. it isn't and had my attny send a demand letter. Then they said the escrow office was operating illegally if it was open during the pandemic. hahaha! My attny sent a letter to them," Regardless of these unique, creative, and unpersuasive arguements, the payment is still due and you're still in default." I love this attorney!
With renters or "owner carry" buyers, you knew this was going to happen! There will always be those who will take advantage of every opportunity.
 
I have,not renters, but buyers and I'm holding an "owner carry". They stopped paying saying the escrow office was closed. it isn't and had my attny send a demand letter. Then they said the escrow office was operating illegally if it was open during the pandemic. hahaha! My attny sent a letter to them," Regardless of these unique, creative, and unpersuasive arguements, the payment is still due and you're still in default." I love this attorney!
With renters or "owner carry" buyers, you knew this was going to happen! There will always be those who will take advantage of every opportunity.
Did the area where that home is located pass a moratorium on evictions for non-payment of rent/mortgage? If so, even if your renters/buyers are in default, there's likely little that can be done until the state, city or county says the clock on evictions for non-payment can start ticking.

It was entirely predictable that many unscrupulous people would take advantage of this "opportunity" - regardless of whether C-19 affected their financial situation.
 
Did the area where that home is located pass a moratorium on evictions for non-payment of rent/mortgage? If so, even if your renters/buyers are in default, there's likely little that can be done until the state, city or county says the clock on evictions for non-payment can start ticking.

It was entirely predictable that many unscrupulous people would take advantage of this "opportunity" - regardless of whether C-19 affected their financial situation.
Nope. Private equity contract between him an me. no moratorium on evictions. I'm in my legal rights. They have the money. They are trying to use the pandemic as an excuse but to no avail.
 
According to what I have read and been told, eviction protection is only in play when the apartment or home is being financed through a Federal mortgage program. I had a Sheriff call in and ask for backup for his Deputy that was going to evict two brothers from their rented apartment. I refused based on the fact that he could not tell me if and how the apartment was being financed.
 
I can only speak for Pennsylvania laws. I do know that the CARES act only protects renters from evictions that are living in apartments or homes that are backed by a federal mortgage program. As for shutting off utilities on other homes, that would work under certain conditions like, what time of year it is and if there are children in the home.
Also, landlords cannot do a self-eviction. This must be done by a Constable or Sheriff. Landlords who do these self-evictions can be held liable for any property damage caused during the eviction. Pennsylvania does not set tenants out on the street. There is a process that the Sheriff’s office performs to make sure that the tenants being evicted are treated responsibly.
I was talking about in the OP instance where the people want to move back into their home and the squatter is doing the damage.

Just move back in. Reclaim your territory. It's their home, the lease is up, the guy can afford to move somewhere else. Just go there and move him to the couch, then the basement, then the back yard. Sorry bud, you overstayed your welcome.
 
Before you boil those "scoundrels" in oil for nonpayment, there may be legitimate reasons why they aren't paying rent. Ya know, not having an income comes to mind. And most have an exaggerated idea of the amount of "aid" one gets on unemployment compensation. I don't think the general public was aware of the scope of the actions to cope with the virus, , until they were put in place. So, I don't think it was a premeditated method of ripping off landlords. And, yes, there probably are a few SOBs, who took advantage of the situation. But I think most really got caught with losing their incomes. Of course, that doesn't help you, if you are a landlord.
 
Before you boil those "scoundrels" in oil for nonpayment, there may be legitimate reasons why they aren't paying rent. Ya know, not having an income comes to mind. And most have an exaggerated idea of the amount of "aid" one gets on unemployment compensation. I don't think the general public was aware of the scope of the actions to cope with the virus, , until they were put in place. So, I don't think it was a premeditated method of ripping off landlords. And, yes, there probably are a few SOBs, who took advantage of the situation. But I think most really got caught with losing their incomes. Of course, that doesn't help you, if you are a landlord.
You're right that some people are legitimately unable to pay rent because of covid19 related income losses, but we're talking about those who are intentionally squatting or otherwise exploiting loopholes that work to their advantage.
 
Before you boil those "scoundrels" in oil for nonpayment, there may be legitimate reasons why they aren't paying rent. Ya know, not having an income comes to mind. And most have an exaggerated idea of the amount of "aid" one gets on unemployment compensation. I don't think the general public was aware of the scope of the actions to cope with the virus, , until they were put in place. So, I don't think it was a premeditated method of ripping off landlords. And, yes, there probably are a few SOBs, who took advantage of the situation. But I think most really got caught with losing their incomes. Of course, that doesn't help you, if you are a landlord.
These were short-term vacation rentals - They could go back where they came from (i.e. their permanent homes) but are enjoying their extended vacations at the expense of others. I'm heating the oil!
 
I was talking about in the OP instance where the people want to move back into their home and the squatter is doing the damage.

Just move back in. Reclaim your territory. It's their home, the lease is up, the guy can afford to move somewhere else. Just go there and move him to the couch, then the basement, then the back yard. Sorry bud, you overstayed your welcome.
In Ohio, that may get YOU tossed into other "accommodations." /-;
 
I've been wondering about this with some of the average renters and homeowners that are falling several months behind due to unemployment during the pandemic.

I'm not attempting to blame the victim but I am trying to understand the reality of the situation. I've been reading that somewhere in the neighborhood of 25% can't afford to pay April rent or mortgage payments. If these people qualify for regular unemployment, enhanced federal unemployment of $600.00/week, and an economic stimulus of $1,200.00 - $3,400.00/household where is the money going?

I realize that in some cases it is a cash flow issue where people have applied for unemployment and are waiting for benefits but the unemployment benefit will be retroactive to the date of the layoff.

Maybe I'm just becoming confused/overwhelmed by all of the news stories relating to people's struggles during the pandemic.

The amazing thing to me is that I don't personally know anyone that has been sickened or impacted financially by the pandemic.
 
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I've been wondering about this with some of the average renters and homeowners that are falling several months behind due to unemployment during the pandemic.

I'm not attempting to blame the victim but I am trying to understand the reality of the situation. I've been reading that somewhere in the neighborhood of 25% can't afford to pay April rent or mortgage payments. If these people qualify for regular unemployment, enhanced federal unemployment of $600.00/week, and an economic stimulus of $1,200.00 - $3,400.00/household where is the money going?

I realize that in some cases it is a cash flow issue where people have applied for unemployment and are waiting for benefits but the unemployment benefit will be retroactive to the date of the layoff.

Maybe I'm just becoming confused/overwhelmed by all of the news stories relating to people's struggles during the pandemic.

The amazing thing to me is that I don't personally know anyone that has been sickened or impacted financially by the pandemic.

I know dozens who've been laid off, lost their jobs, or are on the verge of losing their businesses. Mostly people in their 20s & 30s, but several who are older, including a 68 year old. Households in NYC, Los Angeles, SF, Chicago, and other large cities often pull in over $100K per year, or over $8K per month. Unemployment plus $2400 per month won't cover everything when paying a $3000 mortgage plus other household bills.

At least ten of my friends have gotten very sick with it, plus two of my sister's close friends died from it in March. :cry:

Los Angeles has been hit hard despite our early shutdown and a population that's been generally compliant and in agreement with the safer-at-home guidelines.
 
I know dozens who've been laid off, lost their jobs, or are on the verge of losing their businesses. Mostly people in their 20s & 30s, but several who are older, including a 68 year old. Households in NYC, Los Angeles, SF, Chicago, and other large cities often pull in over $100K per year, or over $8K per month. Unemployment plus $2400 per month won't cover everything when paying a $3000 mortgage plus other household bills.

At least ten of my friends have gotten very sick with it, plus two of my sister's close friends died from it in March. :cry:

Los Angeles has been hit hard despite our early shutdown and a population that's been generally compliant and in agreement with the safer-at-home guidelines.
Exactly. An income of 120,000 a year would be nice, but in reality while it seems like a lot of money to me, it’s not. Many house payments are over 3000 a month here. Our apartment rent was 1500 a month which had become a struggle.

Even though I gave up my car, thus saving on insurance, it wasn’t enough. And rent would go up every time we renewed the lease. A major reason I agreed to buy a house again (overruled on a condo). But I wanted a house in better shape (he got impatient). Anyway.

I agree with what you’ve said.
 
These were short-term vacation rentals - They could go back where they came from (i.e. their permanent homes) but are enjoying their extended vacations at the expense of others.

I will add a thought of mine, that perhaps, some (or one)
of those people might have been effected by the epidemic's travel restrictions subsequently put in place, in so many extreme ways, and in so many places, along their routes possibly, so then , one or some of them, could possibly have had serious difficulties in return plans to their homes, as scheduled and pre-planned.
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But I do realize that many people do take wrongful advantage of countless situations,...

while many others do not.
I always personally choose to take my own extra time and effort, for myself to not group people or assume they are similar....which I am not saying that any of you are doing. I am simply stating my own cautiousness in concluding about the assumed squatters, individually.

True squatters are definitely a true problem, I agree with that.
And all of those mentioned above, in the OP, might be those.

I am aware though, that in addition to during this present epidemic, Renters (people who are renting at that time) seem to often be negatively stereotyped and criticized, even though many people who rent, are extremely responsible people.
I comprehend that too, is not the focus of this thread, yet it came to my mind, due to the title of this thread starting with the word "Renters...." (and ending with the word, "squatters" )
I assume, though that Em was solely choosing a descriptive title, which I am in agreement with striving to do.

Another thought of mine, to add into this thread , for general info,
is that many owners/landlords do have long leases with many pages of various rules,
and that owners are presently allowed to use any of the other reasons as lease violations, to immediately initiate evictions. Even in many States now, they are allowed to initiate evictions, even during the epidemic, based on any violation, other than the rents owed. This is the case, even with the HUD subsidized properties mentioned in some of the above posts.

The original goals, of course, of the non-eviction temporary rules,
was not solely to be humane to those who by no fault of their own, do not have the income to pay their rent in addition to other necessary expenses, on time, at the moment,
but also because, how would sudden immense increases in homelessness, effect everyone else in cities and communities, during an epidemic? It would have facilitated a significant increase in the spread of the virus to others.
 


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