Retired And Applying To Rent An Apartment?

[ClassicRockr]

People usually get rewarded with the life they've earned.

Don't really understand, but...…

A lot of times, again somewhat "off subject", when someone is selling something, they won't tell everything that is wrong with what they are selling. What the buyer doesn't ask about, is the seller's profit.

A lot of people can't work in Sales due to the fact that, and it's pretty well known, in sales, a person has to lie to an extent to make money.

 

[Olivia]

It depends on the lie really. The two women I had the trouble with lied about their men. One said she was getting divorced and then told me her husband was there just to help her move in. Right. He ended up living there and was a creepy guy. Got them out because of renovating all the apartments in the building. Months later cops came by to ask about her and looked at her application for an apartment. Seems like she disappeared or something else not good. The other woman moved in and then moved in her paramour who she met online and they ended up having fights where she ran out with just her underwear on and I got the report from the apartment complex security guards. They pled their case but we evicted them anyway. These two women paid their rent, no problem. But there are just some things you can't predict because of lies.

 

[Olivia]

But some things don't show up in background checks:

Nosiness
Overly friendly, gossip
Arguing which doesn't reach level of calling police
Tenant who allows someone to couch surf "until they get on their feet"

Those are pretty tame, actually. The only problems I encountered that I qualified were the two women I just posted about. There were a few more with differing problems but were already there when I took over. One older women had a caretaker who didn't have a key and came over to the office for me to let her in because there was no response to her knocking. Took a security guard with me and opened the door and there she was half-naked on the floor by her bed. A phone was nearby by she didn't use it. And then there was the alcoholic who passed out on the floor in front of the elevator. And the woman who just left her apartment with everything in it and told us to sell her stuff to pay for her back rent. Lovely, expensive stuff, but it was a hell of a lot of work!

There's more. I could write a book.

 

[JimW]

Don't really understand, but...…

A lot of times, again somewhat "off subject", when someone is selling something, they won't tell everything that is wrong with what they are selling. What the buyer doesn't ask about, is the seller's profit.

A lot of people can't work in Sales due to the fact that, and it's pretty well known, in sales, a person has to lie to an extent to make money.

You do understand that lying is wrong, yes? Just because other people do it, that does not make it okay for you or I to do it. When I find out that a person has lied to me, their character takes a major hit and I usually disassociate with that person. I certainly will never do business with that person again. People who make a life of lies and deceit no matter how small they may be, usually end up living life unable to trust anyone else. That's a tough way to go through life.

 

[RadishRose]

 

[ClassicRockr]

I would have a hard time believing that everyone in this forum has always told the truth about different things.

Sometimes words like integrity, truthfulness and words like them have to be left outside the door in order to get some things.

I stood right by my wife, even when I knew she no longer worked for the company she had written down on the application. I completely understood why she was doing it.
She stood right by me even thou she knew the dates I had written down on an application weren’t totally correct. She totally understood why I was doing it.

 

[Olivia]

I would have a hard time believing that everyone in this forum has always told the truth about different things.

Sometimes words like integrity, truthfulness and words like them have to be left outside the door in order to get some things.

I stood right by my wife, even when I knew she no longer worked for the company she had written down on the application. I completely understood why she was doing it.
She stood right by me even thou she knew the dates I had written down on an application weren’t totally correct. She totally understood why I was doing it.

Lies of omission are one thing and are bad enough. But deliberately lying? That's an entire category in it self and could get anyone into really deep trouble. I advise against it. And accusing everyone else of doing it to make yourself feel better? Think again.

 

[JimW]

Lies of omission are one thing and are bad enough. But deliberately lying? That's an entire category in it self and could get anyone into really deep trouble. I advise against it. And accusing everyone else of doing it to make yourself feel better? Think again.

:dito:

 

[ClassicRockr]

Lies of omission are one thing and are bad enough. But deliberately lying? That's an entire category in it self and could get anyone into really deep trouble. I advise against it. And accusing everyone else of doing it to make yourself feel better? Think again.

As I’ve already stated...... It got us the apartments we’ve lived in, with no problems.

And, it got me jobs without any problems.

So, doing it hasn’t hurt us. We’ve lived in our current apartment for 9 years now.

 

[ClassicRockr]

I want to thank all of you for your replies to this thread. We will do what we think is best.

Again, thanks.

 

[Butterfly]

What good will that do when you can't show any proof of income? Don't lie, more often than not it will come back to bite you in the arse.

I strongly agree. Landlords could quite easily find out that the company is no longer in business. People who know how can find out just about anything they want to on the internet nowdays. Fudging on applications just gets you labeled a fraud.

 

[Butterfly]

For the apartment we rented in Colorado, my wife listed a part-time job she was no longer working and we got the apartment. Used the same job to get an apartment in North Carolina and here, with no problem. Guess she put down the income she was (past tense) making.

Not for this thread, but I’ve lied on an employment application (dates) with no problem. A company can’t check when the company is closed-shut down.

Our credit has to be good, since we still get offers for more credit cards, but don’t take them. An increase in credit, means a person has good credit.

Please remember that finding out information like you are talking about is MUCH easier now than it was just a few years ago. Lying is a VERY bad idea.

 

[applecruncher]

Butterfly is right; it's easy for companies to verify employment dates.

CR, it's nice that whatever you did worked out for you. Point is that's not always the case and there is always the risk of getting caught.

 

[ClassicRockr]

I strongly agree. Landlords could quite easily find out that the company is no longer in business. People who know how can find out just about anything they want to on the internet nowdays. Fudging on applications just gets you labeled a fraud.

Understand what you are saying, but the business we plan on using...…….we still have a credit card that has that business name on and the cc is still valid. We buy a number of things at Staples using it, without a problem.

Hopefully you and others do understand that, as far as the credit card goes, this old photography business is still going.

Last time I lied on an employment application, about employment dates, was in 2003 (last job before retirement). Even that company done a background check on me and ended up hiring me.

 

[applecruncher]

CR, upthread you stated you wife gave false information about employment so you two could get an apartment.

Not sure why you keep going around in circles about things. It's your life, so be it.

 

[ClassicRockr]

CR, upthread you stated you wife gave false information about employment so you two could get an apartment.

Not sure why you keep going around in circles about things. It's your life, so be it.

Well, we knew she no longer worked for the is company and we wouldn't be using that company anymore. If we wanted to use something, we use the old small business that we use to have and still have a credit card for. Having a credit card for a business means, technically or not, the business is still valid.

 

[ClassicRockr]

Not "going around in circles about this", but just trying to explain why we did what we did.

Another thing here...….before getting the apartment we have now, we did look at another complex and the manager asks us "are you employed?" We said "no, we just moved here." and she said, "I'm sorry, I can't rent to you without you being employed." So, we decided we needed to use my wife's old part-time employment again and it worked. Don't know how it has worked for getting three different apartments, but it has worked.

 

[jujube]

Most people wouldn't come on here and brag about lying, but, hey, whatever floats your boat.

 

[ClassicRockr]

Most people wouldn't come on here and brag about lying, but, hey, whatever floats your boat.

Not "bragging". Just something we had to do and I mentioned it. The forum is the one that went a little crazy over our decision to do it, like nobody on here has done any thing like that before. In fact, I'll be some have, just don't want to admit it, but that's up to them.

There is one area that I'm definitely NOT naïve in...…..thinking the entire world is truthful, honest, sincere, etc., etc.. Heck, that was the way my wife thought when I first met her. I changed that. But, her sister is constantly asking me "why" when she hears of some kind of killing in the U.S. Have no idea why she would think I'd know the "why" to all of them. I tell her what I've read and/or heard and she still doesn't understand why it happens.

 

[Olivia]

Not "bragging". Just something we had to do and I mentioned it. The forum is the one that went a little crazy over our decision to do it, like nobody on here has done any thing like that before. In fact, I'll be some have, just don't want to admit it, but that's up to them.

So let's say that you and another person applied for a job or apartment and you both lied on your applications but the other guy had better lies and got the job or apartment over you, and you knew this, how would you feel? Would you congratulate the other guy? And let's say this keeps happening, the better liar kept winning the prize? And then everybody started lying because that's just way the world works?

And let's say that an applicant for a multi-family building lied on the application about being a felony involving violence and consequently was approved for the apartment and moved into the apartment next to you. How would you feel about that?

Honestly, I don't see how any property management wouldn't do a background check involving a credit report and criminal background report. That's just plain negligence for not caring about the other tenants in a building or even next door in a single family residence.

Maybe I just took my job too seriously. You know, so what.

 

[ClassicRockr]

So let's say that you and another person applied for a job or apartment and you both lied on your applications but the other guy had better lies and got the job or apartment over you, and you knew this, how would you feel? Would you congratulate the other guy? And let's say this keeps happening, the better liar kept winning the prize? And then everybody started lying because that's just way the world works?

And let's say that an applicant for a multi-family building lied on the application about being a felony involving violence and consequently was approved for the apartment and moved into the apartment next to you. How would you feel about that?

Honestly, I don't see how any property management wouldn't do a background check involving a credit report and criminal background report. That's just plain negligence for not caring about the other tenants in a building or even next door in a single family residence.

Maybe I just took my job too seriously. You know, so what.

Well, if the other person got the job or apartment, due to what they put down, more power to them. Only way I can look at it.

As far as background checks go, I found out that many apartment complexes don't do a really in-depth check, because it cost to much money. They will do a background check, but not nearly as in-depth as most people think.

Unless a person is applying for a city, county, state or federal job, most companies don't do an in-depth background check either. Now, if a person was to apply, like at a major aerospace company (McDonald Douglas perhaps), they would probably do a fairly good background check.

My first background check, for employment was done in 2003 for a senior healthcare company. Before that job, I never once seen, an any application, where a person would have to sign for (agree) to a background check. So, the companies that I worked for prior to 2003, there was no such thing as a "Background Check". Checking with the last employer, perhaps, but sometimes that wasn't even done by HR or Personnel. On a few jobs that I had, I was hired right after my interview. No background check was ever done and last employer never called. Right during the interview, "we'd like you to come to work for us, when can you start?" was said to me.

 

[Butterfly]

Well, we knew she no longer worked for the is company and we wouldn't be using that company anymore. If we wanted to use something, we use the old small business that we use to have and still have a credit card for. Having a credit card for a business means, technically or not, the business is still valid.

No, it doesn't. All it means is that the credit card is still valid, and the company hasn't checked lately to see if the company still exists. I would bet my socks that YOU are the entity that is legally liable for that credit card, not any company. You said earlier that you owned the business, which means to me that it was a sole proprietorship. Credit card companies don't issue cards to sole proprietorships, they issue them to the owner.

 

[applecruncher]

Well, we knew she no longer worked for the is company and we wouldn't be using that company anymore. If we wanted to use something, we use the old small business that we use to have and still have a credit card for. Having a credit card for a business means, technically or not, the business is still valid.

That is just plain ridiculous.

 

[ClassicRockr]

[/B]No, it doesn't. All it means is that the credit card is still valid, and the company hasn't checked lately to see if the company still exists. I would bet my socks that YOU are the entity that is legally liable for that credit card, not any company. You said earlier that you owned the business, which means to me that it was a sole proprietorship. Credit card companies don't issue cards to sole proprietorships, they issue them to the owner.

The city license we purchased for the company showed wife and I owned the business. The name on the credit card is the name of the business that we had the license for. We let the license expire and didn't renew it. Every time, including our upcoming purchase for printer ink, goes on that credit card. The credit card is still good and since it shows the name of the photography business on it, we could use that as employment...…..if we choose to.

 

[Butterfly]

I would have a hard time believing that everyone in this forum has always told the truth about different things.

Sometimes words like integrity, truthfulness and words like them have to be left outside the door in order to get some things.

I stood right by my wife, even when I knew she no longer worked for the company she had written down on the application. I completely understood why she was doing it.
She stood right by me even thou she knew the dates I had written down on an application weren’t totally correct. She totally understood why I was doing it.

You clearly believe that the end justifies the means. People who are honest and have true integrity do NOT leave such things outside the door.