Rochester, New York, police release bodycam videos to show why officers were 'required' to handcuff, pepper-spray 9-year-old girl

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Local Rochester news now reporting that the officers involved have been suspended. Indetermined how long, but at least until investigation over.
 

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The question is simple what do officers do with a problem child like that. There could be issues why she hates her mom I get that but how long is something like that supposed to drag on.

I would've got the mother out of her sight instead of letting her sit in the car in view. And a 9 year old? I couldn't tell with the video but she did wasn't exactly a midget. Sometimes kids need to shown in a clear cut perfectly understandable and forceful manner who's in charge.

They need to develope something between a dog walking harness and straight jacket for people who act this if they don't want to taze, sedate or spray.

To me the only answer was to get them out of sight of each other.
 
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A 9 year old girl is throwing a temper tantrum. Six cops are involved and they got her handcuffed in the cruiser. Then they pepper sprayed her. Stuff like this only happens in the USA.

At one point, one of the officers said to the kid: "you're acting like a child" The average person's comeback would be: "No s---!"
 
All I see and hear is a 9 y/o girl acting like a 2 y/o child, and so it seems little discipline exists in the home, and a mother that's not much better in the maturity department.

I lost count of how many cop cars were there. Shameful all the way around.
 
On the surface, this sounds like a perfect example of why we should look at defunding the police and redistributing portions of the police budget to other agencies within the community.

From the stories I've read this situation started with a call to 911 reporting "family trouble".

Instead of having half a dozen police cruisers and a dozen officers respond to a family trouble complaint involving a nine-year-old, it might have been a better use of public funds for the first officer on the scene to have the option of calling for assistance to some sort of family services agency that would be better equipped to investigate and deal with the situation.

The other thing that I question about this situation is that the officers involved are now on paid suspension from the department. I don't understand how paid suspension is different than any other paid time off. IMO the officers should be required to report to work every day during their suspension even if they are only required to sit and stare at the wall.

The one bright spot to me is those police body cameras appear to be a very useful tool in understanding what is actually happening during routine calls.

I'm not blaming the police in this matter but they are the ones taking the brunt of the criticism.

IMO this problem started 9 years ago when this little girl was born into what appears to be a chaotic family situation. Very sad.
 
If this child was already handcuffed why was she pepper sprayed? You mean to tell me six officers had no other recourse to control this child? Instead of defunding police, there's a whole slew of them who need to be retrained. Police do not know how to handle people with mental health issues and that needs to be addressed and corrected.
 
I broke down watching this when this child was screaming hysterically and her mother punched her to the ground while shouting a stream of invective at her .... the child is clearly mentally disturbed, probably from witnessing domestic abuse and being on the receiving end of childhood abuse.. her language was that of a low class adult when she was screaming at the people nearby... clearly learned behaviour.

The police had been called to this same child in November ..

She was out of control... through fear.. I could see that by the way she was begging to see her dad ''one last time' that she was in fear for her life...young as she is.. she'd learned (been taught) to be terrified of what the police would do to her, her young mind couldn't understand to obey instruction, because she'd learned if you did..you might die... ... therefore her fear of getting in the car and being taken away in handcuffs was real... she would never see her father again, she felt..

She was a nightmare for them to handle but anyone whose ever suffered childhood abuse could see where that angry child was coming from...



She needs serious professional help.. she needs to be taken from the mother , and shown love, shown that you don't have to be a victim just because you've been born to a dysfunctional family , just because your own parents don't love you enough to not abuse you... someone else will treasure you, she's clearly never known that IMO
 
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I'm not offering a defense - article does not give enough background - but male officers probably have limited choices for physical restraint when dealing with a female, especially a young one.
 
gennie said:
I'm not offering a defense - article does not give enough background - but male officers probably have limited choices for physical restraint when dealing with a female, especially a young one.
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yes I agree..they're not social workers, they're presented with a situation and they have to deal with it how they can. In this instance they tried to deal with her as she presented herself..as a horrible foul mouthed brat.. their job is to come and deal with that.. and do the best they can with a child albeit 10 years old was larger than normal and refusing to comply... but... if now only a social worker would sit with that child now, and really work with her and her family , I'm sure they'll be able to catch this and nip it in the bud before she gets any older...

..at first sight to the layman or anyone whose never suffered from abuse as a child, she looks uncontrollable .. dig deeper, and I could almost guaranteee this is a dysfunctional family of the highest level... not the fault of the child in any way ...
 
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Sunny said:
What is wrong with the Rochester police department? If the child was "suicidal" and threatening to kill her mother, why didn't they send a mental health professional, such as a child psychiatrist, to deal with the kid? Clearly, the police did not know what to do.
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No different than what happens in Canada.

In Canada, wellness checks have resulted in mentally unstable and challenged people being shot and killed, yet the police are sent in every time.
 
gennie said:
I'm not offering a defense - article does not give enough background - but male officers probably have limited choices for physical restraint when dealing with a female, especially a young one.
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Exactly we do not have the whole story.
first domestic calls are most often the most dangerous for the police....... repeated calls are often the problem.. i know several social workers who simply do not want to be put in that spot either. some one who is used to dealing with someone after a problem does not walk into the often dangerous situations.......

looks like she slid down on ground to avoid being placed in a car that is a far cry of they took her down to the ground ( context matters)

all these videos regardless if body cam or bystander with a cell phone only provide a part of the story ........ and often body cams like this show this girl was never taught how to deal with anything but to lash out .........
KIDS can kill .... are people suppose to excuse threats because of age.....
MOST likely since this was an ongoing issue the Professionals ( social work / mental health) failed these folks as well.
 
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What do you want us to say, Robert? Do you want us to say how bad the officers were? I won't. They were as helpful as possible and tried to keep the girl warm in the squad car. IMO, The officers acted in a professional way. Many officers were sent while two would have been sufficient, but I don't even think it's a news story. Let them do their job!
 
hollydolly said:
I broke down watching this when this child was screaming hysterically and her mother punched her to the ground while shouting a stream of invective at her .... the child is clearly mentally disturbed, probably from witnessing domestic abuse and being on the receiving end of childhood abuse.. her language was that of a low class adult when she was screaming at the people nearby... clearly learned behavior.

The police had been called to this same child in November ..

She was out of control... through fear.. I could see that by the way she was begging to see her dad ''one last time' that she was in fear for her life...young as she is.. she'd learned (been taught) to be terrified of what the police would do to her, her young mind couldn't understand to obey instruction, because she'd learned if you did..you might die... ... therefore her fear of getting in the car and being taken away in handcuffs was real... she would never see her father again.. She was a nightmare for them to handle but anyone whose ever suffered childhood abuse could see where that angry child was coming from...



She needs serious professional help.. she needs to be taken from the mother , and shown love, shown that you don't have to be a victim just because you've been born to a dysfunctional family , just because your own parents don't love you enough to not abuse you... someone else will treasure you, she's clearly never known that IMO
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I absolutely agree with you HD!! Your points cannot be emphasized strongly enough.
 
We had a situation here in the middle of Canada where the government shut down all none essentials services; like tattoo shops. One owner opened up because he had a family to feed. It took 3 city police officers & 3 "enforcers" to walk into his shop & give him a ticket for "breaking the law." Come on, does it really take 6 big husky guys to give one shop owner a ticket? Makes me think that some law officers have too much time on their hands. By the way, I totally support the police. The people out there that say we should defund or get rid of the police really don't know what they are talking about. If we get rid of the police; what a blessing that would be to all criminals like burglars, killers & all-around bad guys!
 
Packerjohn said:
We had a situation here in the middle of Canada where the government shut down all none essentials services; like tattoo shops. One owner opened up because he had a family to feed. It took 3 city police officers & 3 "enforcers" to walk into his shop & give him a ticket for "breaking the law." Come on, does it really take 6 big husky guys to give one shop owner a ticket? Makes me think that some law officers have too much time on their hands. By the way, I totally support the police. The people out there that say we should defund or get rid of the police really don't know what they are talking about. If we get rid of the police; what a blessing that would be to all criminals like burglars, killers & all-around bad guys!
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Makes me wonder why are so many officers were sent ....
or did a few respond not hearing some other unit was taking the call .... or did they somehow buy that something bigger would happen.....

I think of a program we had at a job where if a medical crisis occurred ........the specific trained response group was to go and others were suppose to get back to their jobs........ we always had some who thought they could watch and pretend to help,,,, but were mostly in the way.

i agree have too many uniforms on scene may actually escalate a issue......... but unless i knew what was the reasoning around it.... might be tough to say
 
Jeni said:
Makes me wonder why are so many officers were sent ....
or did a few respond not hearing some other unit was taking the call .... or did they somehow buy that something bigger would happen.....

I think of a program we had at a job where if a medical crisis occurred ........the specific trained response group was to go and others were suppose to get back to their jobs........ we always had some who thought they could watch and pretend to help,,,, but were mostly in the way.

i agree have too many uniforms on scene may actually escalate a issue......... but unless i knew what was the reasoning around it.... might be tough to say
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The first 2 officers on the scene warned the girl there were 6 more cars coming, so they knew how many were responding.. could be they've had trouble with this family before or that they're in a very high risk area..
 
Jeni said:
Makes me wonder why are so many officers were sent ....
or did a few respond not hearing some other unit was taking the call .... or did they somehow buy that something bigger would happen.....

I think of a program we had at a job where if a medical crisis occurred ........the specific trained response group was to go and others were suppose to get back to their jobs........ we always had some who thought they could watch and pretend to help,,,, but were mostly in the way.

i agree have too many uniforms on scene may actually escalate a issue......... but unless i knew what was the reasoning around it.... might be tough to say
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I'm hoping it's the result of concerned citizens making 911 calls over all the ruckus, specifically the safety of the girl.
 
Gaer said:
What do you want us to say, Robert? Do you want us to say how bad the officers were? I won't. They were as helpful as possible and tried to keep the girl warm in the squad car. IMO, The officers acted in a professional way. Many officers were sent while two would have been sufficient, but I don't even think it's a news story. Let them do their job!
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Gaer, apparently the mayor and the police chief disagree with you that the police were "helpful" and "acted in a professional way."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rochester-police-officers-suspended-pepper-spray-9-year-old-girl/
 
OneEyedDiva said:
If this child was already handcuffed why was she pepper sprayed? You mean to tell me six officers had no other recourse to control this child? Instead of defunding police, there's a whole slew of them who need to be retrained. Police do not know how to handle people with mental health issues and that needs to be addressed and corrected.
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Same reason cops will often allow their dog to chew on a suspect after he complies. To punish him & teach him a lesson, especially if the suspect is not their favorite color.
 
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I think they knew she was a child but did the police realize she was a 9 year old and not a 13 year old?
 

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