Safe & Effective: A Second Opinion

[Buckeye]

There are still a few diehards left on this forum who are fighting against a highly effective and safe vaccine, and will continue to do so with their last breath. Some have a phobia of getting any kind of shots. Some are paranoid, and think there's some big conspiracy out to get them. Some bought into the wrong side of things when this was equated with a political issue, and are too stubborn or embarrassed to admit that they were taken in. Maybe some have religious objections to modern medicine and science, though I haven't seen too much of that on this forum. And some just love to argue.

The vaccine obviously works, amazingly well, and is close to 100% safe. For those who still want to shut their eyes and cover their ears, so they don't have to hear that, it is certainly their right to join the small, suicidal group who are happy with unnecessarily risking their own lives, and those around them.

Incredible that this discussion is still going on here!

I used to teach Economics at the University level, and one topic of discussion was the issue of "free riders" - here's a link to wiki to explain.

Free Riders

The folks who refuse to get the vaccines are in fact "free riders", and yet reap the benefits of the majority being vaxxed. Sadly, there is almost nothing that can be done about their selfishness. Oh well, life goes on.

 

[win231]

Oracle Films is a Brit religious film company (huh?) -- not the usual authority on the efficacy of vaccines. Here is what the National Health Service (NHS) a recognized British authority has to say on the subject ...
"The coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccines are safe and effective. They give you the best protection against COVID-19."
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/coronavirus-vaccine/

I received my 3rd booster two days ago and my side effect? A sore arm for a few hours. If you are one of those who refuse to be vaccinated, believing the vaccine will kill you or some such nonsense, and are laying on your COVID death bed, please don't bother begging for the vaccine, as many have, it's too late.

Yes, I've been begging for the vaccine for 3 years.
They keep telling me, "Sorry, ElCastor said you haven't learned your lesson. You can't have it until you're on your death bed."

 

[Remy]

I've had 3 covid vaccine shots. The one booster was last November. I don't remember when it was, in the spring sometime, I noticed something with my left eye sight. I didn't go to the doctor right away but finally did. In the end the Ophthalmologist diagnosed me with a stroke to my left eye. Part of the optical nerve is gone and won't come back so I have lost some sight in the left eye.

I'm now leery of another booster. Was it related or not. I don't know.

 

[SeniorBen]

I got a flu shot a few days ago and will get a covid booster soon.

 

[Lethe200]

I heard this long ago - back in the '60's, maybe? - and have never forgotten it: an example of how those who start with a bias can cherry-pick statistics:

"80% of people who have had heart attacks have chewed gum as children. Therefore, you should NEVER CHEW GUM, as it will obviously lead to a heart attack later!"

My spouse had a haemorrhagic stroke 4 days after we celebrated his 50th BD. We clearly shouldn't have celebrated it since it must have caused his stroke (forget his sky-high BP which the doctor refused to treat and the incredible job stress he was under every day).

With the holidays and planned travel coming up, we are both getting our 3rd booster shots and flu shots tomorrow.

 

[Lavinia]

Since that broad comment also includes abortion I don't understand why anti choice @amwassil gave it a like.

I also gave it a like. Abortion is different because TWO lives are involved. If the mother decides to commit murder, she has it on her conscience. Refusing a vaccination is entirely different.

 

[boliverchadsworth]

I used to teach Economics at the University level, and one topic of discussion was the issue of "free riders" - here's a link to wiki to explain.

Free Riders

The folks who refuse to get the vaccines are in fact "free riders", and yet reap the benefits of the majority being vaxxed. Sadly, there is almost nothing that can be done about their selfishness. Oh well, life goes on.

The Dunning–Kruger effect

https://therealanthonyfaucimovie.com/trailer/

 

[Been There]

After reading all the posts, I have come to the conclusion that taking or not taking the jab is a crapshoot.

 

[win231]

I used to teach Economics at the University level, and one topic of discussion was the issue of "free riders" - here's a link to wiki to explain.

Free Riders

The folks who refuse to get the vaccines are in fact "free riders", and yet reap the benefits of the majority being vaxxed. Sadly, there is almost nothing that can be done about their selfishness. Oh well, life goes on.

There are two reasons for such asinine statements:
1. To turn thinking people into sheep
2. To guilt thinking people into getting vaccinated to bolster their own shaky confidence in the vaccine.