San Francisco boycotts over half of the USA.

Nathan said:
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I traveled around the country quite a bit, over the years, and I'm of the opinion that there is NO perfect City or State....they ALL have their pluses and minuses. San Francisco is a beautiful place to visit...I enjoyed the city sites, and the surrounding areas....Muir Woods, a few miles North...is one of the places I remember the most.
However, with the ridiculous cost of living in/around SF, I would not want to live there unless I had an annual income well up into the 6 figures.
 

Don M. said:
I traveled around the country quite a bit, over the years, and I'm of the opinion that there is NO perfect City or State....they ALL have their pluses and minuses. San Francisco is a beautiful place to visit...I enjoyed the city sites, and the surrounding areas....Muir Woods, a few miles North...is one of the places I remember the most.
However, with the ridiculous cost of living in/around SF, I would not want to live there unless I had an annual income well up into the 6 figures.
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Real estate is pricey there, for sure. Property is cheaper in East Texas but not as picturesque or near high paying jobs.
 
Thank you, @Nathan, for saying what needed to be said.

By the way, "the land of fruits and nuts" is now and was intended to be a gay slur. I always saw it as a badge of honor - people ostracized by their families, friends, churches and home states for simply being who they were, have long been welcome in California.
 

I could never figure out why some people need to bad mouth another state. What's the point? You live where you want, and we live where we want. Why would you care about our problems? Do you just enjoy pissing people off? Are things perfect where you live?

By the way, my California income tax is zero dollars.
 
Nathan said:
@senior chef , @JimBob1952, @Lara, @JonSR77, @Old&InTheWay, Sorry if I missed anybody, just wanted to thank you for sharing your Internet bullying comments so that we all know who you really are.
You are invited to post some of the “hightlights” of your state or region. Perhaps you’re particularly proud of your home state’s efforts in passing voter suppression laws, or anti-LBGTQ legislation. Or is your state or locale noted for rewriting history, to downplay the accomplishments of non-whites, as well as public figures who happen to be on the other side of the political isle.
Some states efforts at enforcing one religion as 'the' official way(contrary to the U.S.Constitution) are resembling the Taliban and Iranian Islamic Republic.
Or, perhaps the hail-storms-tornados-flooding-hurricanes and such are just so much more appealing than California’s drought-wildfires-earthquakes etc.

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Here's a bit from the other side.

My wife and I went to see "Masterclass" at the Papermill Playhouse. The Papermill Playhouse was constructed on the site of an actual Colonial papermill. I believe it dates back to around 1750. At various times, it has been a very strong regional theater. For many years, plays would be tested there, before going to Broadway (we live in NJ, just 10 miles or so from NYC).

Many, many famous actors have performed there over the years.

But, it has also run into a lot of financial problems now and then.

Anyway, we are there to see the play. I see someone oddly familiar just a couple of rows in front of us. It is former NJ Governor Tom Kean! And then, I see another person oddly familiar...it was former NJ Governor Brendan Byrne. Gov. Kean is a Republican. Gov. Byrne is a Democrat.

And they were not just there in some kind of perfunctory way, they clearly were friends, enjoying each other's company.

To me, that is the kind of atmosphere we need in politics, in order to keep our country moving in the correct direction.

I think we have to find a way to see each other as people and not as rivals.
 
StarSong said:
We get it. You hate California. {{shrug}}
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No, apparently you do not "get it"! It is not California; it is what the people who live in California have done to that beautiful state...! Most all of that is mentioned by others in posts in this thread. Read through them and maybe you will begin to have a clue...
 
Timewise 60+ said:
No, apparently you do not "get it"! It is not California; it is what the people who live in California have done to that beautiful state...! Most all of that is mentioned by others in posts in this thread. Read through them and maybe you will begin to have a clue...
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I guess I'm dense. I've lived here 82 years and I still think it's a great place to live. Sure, the population has boomed. There are a number of reasons for that including weather and jobs. But, we aren't alone in that respect. I don't find our state laws overly restrictive. Our gas is more expensive, but it's modified to reduce air pollution. I can remember going downtown L.A. as a kid and having my eyes burn. They haven't burned for many years.

Proposition 65 is flawed. It was well meaning but poorly implemented. Many of our propositions shouldn't have happened. That comes from direct democracy and an electorate that is easily manipulated by special interests. We're no different than people everywhere in that respect.

We're more liberal than some states. Maybe we're more laid back due to the variety of our population and the fact that many of us came here to get away from some place else that was more restrictive. But, I don't consider that as necessarily evil, and I voted for Reagan, Nixon, and Barry Goldwater.

So, I'm afraid I don't get your point. Maybe some of the things you have read or heard about us are a bit exaggerated.
 
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I'm sorry if I offended anyone by joking about "the land of the fruits and the nuts" but I lived in San Diego, California for 12 years when I first heard that expression and no one took it as a gay slur, or meanness, or personally as far as I know. It was a joke.

I was in San Diego in the late 70's and early 80's. I was a Californian myself and took no offense when I heard it. I guess I wasn't as quick to judge. I took it at face value. It was just a funny expression to me. Nothing deep.

Southern Californians, as I saw it, took it as meaning we were ALL free-spirited, doing our own thing, without a care for those in judgement. etc. "Live and let live", "Peace-Love-Dove". The expression I remember well was suppose to be light and funny. No one took it personally nor stereotyped any one group. It's a big state...the north is more political these days? Sacramento?

At any rate, I'm sorry you took it personally or tagged it onto the gay community. That's really sad. That thought never even entered my mind...and for that I'm grateful.

@Nathan @StarSong
 
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Timewise 60+ said:
No, apparently you do not "get it"! It is not California; it is what the people who live in California have done to that beautiful state...! Most all of that is mentioned by others in posts in this thread. Read through them and maybe you will begin to have a clue...
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What you don't "get" is that your negative view is simply that: your view. I'm not going to ask 'what' you think has been done to California, because I'm not interested in more outsider negativity. The good people of California did reject an insidious plot presented in a ballot proposition in the last election to split the state into 3 pieces(divide & conquer). That would have given the grifters an opportunity to pillage the state's resources, and flip the state into a feudal domain. California is strong, successful and bountiful thanks to it's hard working citizens and no-thanks to the outsiders that seek to tarnish her image.

Now, on to something more interesting....would you care to share some of the attributes of the state you reside in? Perhaps we can google-it and cherry pick some negative aspects.
 
Nathan said:
What you don't "get" is that your negative view is simply that: your view. I'm not going to ask 'what' you think has been done to California, because I'm not interested in more outsider negativity. The good people of California did reject an insidious plot presented in a ballot proposition in the last election to split the state into 3 pieces(divide & conquer). That would have given the grifters an opportunity to pillage the state's resources, and flip the state into a feudal domain. California is strong, successful and bountiful thanks to it's hard working citizens and no-thanks to the outsiders that seek to tarnish her image.

Now, on to something more interesting....would you care to share some of the attributes of the state you reside in? Perhaps we can google-it and cherry pick some negative aspects.
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My view is my view! That is what we all offer on this website! You too have your view! I'm not going to ask what you think, and I sure am not going to participate in any game playing you want to cook up...have a nice day! See I am smart like you....
 
Timewise 60+ said:
My view is my view! That is what we all offer on this website! You too have your view! I'm not going to ask what you think, and I sure am not going to participate in any game playing you want to cook up...have a nice day! See I am smart like you....
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My point exactly, thanks for understanding. Further, I hope I don't have to remind you that if you feel entitled to ridicule other people's home states, then expect the same coming your way.
 
Timewise 60+ said:
My view is my view! That is what we all offer on this website! You too have your view! I not going to ask what you think, and I sure am not going to participate in any game playing you want to cook up...have a nice day!
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According to your posts you live in Missouri. It's not my style to take potshots or generalize about where people live, but be assured MO has plenty of fodder for anyone who might be so inclined. It's that whole glass houses and stones thing.
 
Lara said:
I'm sorry if I offended anyone by joking about "the land of the fruits and the nuts" but I lived in San Diego, California for 12 years when I first heard that expression and no one took it as a gay slur, or meanness, or personally as far as I know. It was a joke.

....At any rate, I'm sorry you took it personally or tagged it onto the gay community. That's really sad. That thought never even entered my mind...and for that I'm grateful.

@Nathan @StarSong
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As sociologists point out, many expressions/idioms end up changing over time. "Gay" is certainly an example of that - it has changed just in my lifetime, and very recently, in historical terms. It's only been a few years that "snowflake" has become a derogatory term; it definitely wasn't when any of us were growing up!

Unfortunately, even though Lara didn't mean it as a put-down, it has become one to many of my LGBTX friends, because they do experience people stereotyping them as 'weird' - which they are not. They are bankers, doctors, chefs, brokers, teachers, et. al.

So just as I am sensitive to comments made about PoC, I have to acknowledge that my LGBTX friends are sensitive about also being stigmatized as "something different."

I've been a member of the SF for years and never found any members to be deliberately mean or insulting - EVER. Thank you, Lara, your explanation is appreciated and understood. You are quite correct that term has been used for a long time. But I think we need to acknowledge times have changed, and we need to change with them - if for no other reason, than to be courteous and kind to one another.
 
Lethe200 said:
As sociologists point out, many expressions/idioms end up changing over time. "Gay" is certainly an example of that - it has changed just in my lifetime, and very recently, in historical terms. It's only been a few years that "snowflake" has become a derogatory term; it definitely wasn't when any of us were growing up!

Unfortunately, even though Lara didn't mean it as a put-down, it has become one to many of my LGBTX friends, because they do experience people stereotyping them as 'weird' - which they are not. They are bankers, doctors, chefs, brokers, teachers, et. al.

So just as I am sensitive to comments made about PoC, I have to acknowledge that my LGBTX friends are sensitive about also being stigmatized as "something different."

I've been a member of the SF for years and never found any members to be deliberately mean or insulting - EVER. Thank you, Lara, your explanation is appreciated and understood. You are quite correct that term has been used for a long time. But I think we need to acknowledge times have changed, and we need to change with them - if for no other reason, than to be courteous and kind to one another.
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Beautifully said. And while I can't agree that I've never found ANY members to be deliberately mean or insulting, I certainly agree that @Lara has never been anything but kind and gentle.

p.s. From at least 1970 through the 90s, the terms "fruit" and "fruity" were insulting descriptions of gays.
 
I lived and worked in San Francisco for many years, but I have come to despise it. San Francisco has some of the most expensive real estate in the country combined with an incredibly unsafe environment. There are large parts of the city that I simply would not set foot in anymore, and it's getting worse. From the front page of today's (March 21) Wall Street Journal: "Thefts and Burglaries Plague San Francisco" ... "Among the 25 largest U.S. cities, San Francisco has had the highest property-crime rate in four of the most recent six years for which data is available ...". To make things even worse, assaults on members of the city's Asian community, particularly women, have become a growing problem.
 
Lethe200 said:
San Francisco - which FYI is the smallest geographical city and county in the STATE of California - passed these various restrictions on city government funded travel and expenses. San Francisco has a city budget for 2021-22 of $12.6 billion (nope, not a misprint).
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That is a joint budget, right? As the City and County are Co- extensive like the city of Philadelphia and Philadelphia County.
 
ohioboy said:
That is a joint budget, right? As the City and County are Co- extensive like the city of Philadelphia and Philadelphia County.
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Did a little research on this just now. From what I can gather, San Francisco is a rarity in that the City and County of SF are one and the same. No city areas extend beyond the county and no county areas extend beyond the city. In fact, its official name is The City and County of San Francisco. Budget seems to also be one and the same.
https://sfgov.org/dosw/sites/default/files/CCSF Departments Budget Update102319v2.pdf

I learned something already today and it's not even 8 AM. :cool:
Gotta love Senior Forums!
 
I'd certainly at least look into leaving California if I could. It's a state. It has a long and beautiful coastline that I haven't seen in years. It also has people of with a variety of views. Very conservative and very liberal. A lot of the woke types are nothing but people who think they are cool because of what they say. Virtue signaling to the max and it doesn't mean anything. They can't think beyond the words they say.
 
Remy said:
I'd certainly at least look into leaving California if I could. It's a state. It has a long and beautiful coastline that I haven't seen in years. It also has people of with a variety of views. Very conservative and very liberal. A lot of the woke types are nothing but people who think they are cool because of what they say. Virtue signaling to the max and it doesn't mean anything. They can't think beyond the words they say.
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This isn't limited to California or liberal states. Or even the US.
 
Good news. Apparently, San Francisco may stop boycotting so many of the other states in the USA. According to an article in the WSJ....
San Francisco is considering softening a ban on publicly funded contracts and travel in 30 states that don’t share its liberal values on issues such as abortion and transgender rights, as officials question whether the prohibition is having any effect beyond likely costing the city tens of millions of dollars.
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“Has it worked? Has it actually gotten any state legislature to change its positions?” Ms. Chu asked rhetorically. “Ultimately, the whole purpose of this is to drive change.”
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The travel portion of the ban has also produced some unintended consequences, she said, such as prohibiting youth sports participants funded through city grants from traveling to banned states to compete and restricting funds for programs that might allow high-school students to visit historically Black colleges.
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Apparently, some in the San Francisco halls of power are actually looking at the consequences of their actions, rather than at the symbolism that so greatly impresses their buddies.

Will wonders ever cease? :D
 
I’m pretty much neutral about California. I have been there many times and actually lived on base in San Diego for two and a half years. I enjoyed my time there and although I haven’t be to San Francisco in probably 15 years, it was one of my favorite cities. I liked the area up on top of Nob Hill. Great hotels and not far from the Wharf. I also liked walking down by the Embarcadero Center.

You people out in California may not be aware that you do get a lot of bad press from the news networks here in the east. They really lay it on sometimes that makes a person think California is a horrible state. We don’t hear much good about it. I have a hard time believing that it’s the state that I always enjoyed visiting. I guess I need to make a trip back out and check it out for myself. I would like to go back to Yellowstone.
 
Brookswood said:
It seems that San Francisco prohibits the city government from doing business with companies whose US headquarters are in state that do things the Frisco disapproves of. A total of 28 states are on the list.

I find this attitude to be extremely hypocritical considering that SF gets its water supply by damming Yosemtie National Park. As far as I know SF is the only city that ever dammed a USA national park to get its water.
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Hypocrisy abounds, and not just in California, a lot of us are guilty.

I would think a lot of these laws might not stand a constitutional test. As I understand it the Commerce Clause gives Congress pretty much the exclusive right to regulate trade between states. Don't know if they have been so tested.

I like visiting San Francisco, and will continue to, their eccentricities are part of the attraction. No matter how foolish I think some of them are.
 
I was born in California and my connections there keep me up to date. The state has a lot going for it. I can think of a lot of worse places to live.

It's what I consider their rather sanctimonious over reaching that I find amusing.
 

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