Yes and if anyone saw them recently several days after getting home two mentioned God. One who said he was not a believer but that with what he saw, he could come up with no other explanation.
Scientists say we may have been wrong about the origin of life
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How do scientists explain why we are the only incredibly intelligent life form on the planet?
The Bible says we are created in God’s image.
I asked AI if it knew about death.
It tried to give some sophisticated answer to make it sound like it didn’t believe in death as we see it.
The correct answer is that every living thing dies in a physical way.
The Bible says we are created in God’s image.
I asked AI if it knew about death.
It tried to give some sophisticated answer to make it sound like it didn’t believe in death as we see it.
The correct answer is that every living thing dies in a physical way.
One of the enduring strengths of science is its insistence on pursuing the most accurate explanation available, revising its conclusions as evidence accumulates. At this point in our understanding, evolution stands as the theory most strongly supported by observable facts and empirical data. That doesn’t entirely preclude the possibility that future discoveries could lend weight to creationist interpretations, though that seems unlikely to me. For many who are religious, of course, the reverse feels true: evolution appears improbable, and creation is the more intuitive answer.
In time, humanity may arrive at a clearer resolution. The odds are high that I won’t be around to see it.
No one knows and I don't think anyone ever will know before death. How many centuries has science had to figure it out as well?
I can see where one can watch monkeys or apes and believe we evolved from such, but then why haven't they evolved into humans or science tried to do that with them? Oh, they have probably. I mean they have studied them, trained them... Still they are not human... Perhaps in centuries they could be...
If one believes in the Bible, and God, who knows what of other theories might actually work along with such...
It's definitely all thought provoking. And I believe always will be long after we are all gone.
I know I've seen things, sensed things, that cannot be explained... Felt things...
Evolution certainly does not explain what I am talking of...
But who knows, maybe the two theories work together. Or one or two other theories as well... We simply don't have all the answers and so that's quite possible imo. As possible as anything.
I can see where one can watch monkeys or apes and believe we evolved from such, but then why haven't they evolved into humans or science tried to do that with them? Oh, they have probably. I mean they have studied them, trained them... Still they are not human... Perhaps in centuries they could be...
If one believes in the Bible, and God, who knows what of other theories might actually work along with such...
It's definitely all thought provoking. And I believe always will be long after we are all gone.
I know I've seen things, sensed things, that cannot be explained... Felt things...
Evolution certainly does not explain what I am talking of...
But who knows, maybe the two theories work together. Or one or two other theories as well... We simply don't have all the answers and so that's quite possible imo. As possible as anything.
This. This is the “secret sauce” that makes life on earth and probably other places possible. Otherwise how could a bunch of rocks and dust floating in a vacuum amount to anything?
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, / Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
— Act 1, Scene 5, Hamlet
this is a 'good' quote - as good as any I have heard! - thank you
JustDave
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Out of a hundred or so elements that make up the universe, only ten or so are needed for life. But those essential elements can be combined in combinations that result in an infinite number of different molecules, each of which are nothing like the elements they are made of, and each of which can do something different. How is that possible?
For that matter, how is it possible that all the great books ever written in thousands of years only need 27 letters to write them all?
For that matter, how is it possible that all the great books ever written in thousands of years only need 27 letters to write them all?
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This and the other current long religious thread have numbers of posts I could easily answer or criticize but have refrained from because much of the SF audience, much less the posters, could make sense of arguments even if they bothered to investigate, which most won't, and only lead to negative vibes with members inhibiting them from being generally open on threads. I don't mean to pick on AG, a new member, or others responding to this and other like threads. On the other thread as I clearly noted in my summary thread, none of my half dozen posts directly addressed other's specific posts, just added my own ideas and thoughts. Well beyond generalizing against inerrancy and OOO god magic.
The following post serves purpose as an example of why I personally don't do more than add my post inputs without usually explaining why I don't agree with other's posts that would be viewed by some others as condescending, overly critical, snarky, and or forum emotionally disrupting. So please, SF members, continue to post your own thoughts from your own perspective, its valuable for others to understand how other SF members and people in general think the ways they do. But don't expect some others on SF beyond those like the poster or those that prefer to agitate like its an amusing game, to provide complementary input supporting whatever or not. Thus any lack of, a confirmation for whatever may be left unchallenged.
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AG>>>No one knows [Whether science or fundamentalist/Creationist religion is correct.] and I don't think anyone ever will know before death. How many centuries has science had to figure it out as well?
David777>>> Science over centuries has gradually figured out why many Christian religious dogma ideas have been logical and science nonsense. That began accelerating in the Middle Ages with Galileo and his telescope devices. The absolute answer to whether a god exists or not is the one narrow question that can never be answered with certainty as long as something doesn't happen magically by the god people refer to. And if death is what it obviously seems, no one will have awareness to think, much less "know" after their mortal ending. So yeah, wrong question but it does serve purpose showing why responding would have no positive value.
AG>>>I can see where one can watch monkeys or apes and believe we evolved from such, but then why haven't they evolved into humans or science tried to do that with them? Oh, they have probably. I mean they have studied them, trained them... Still they are not human... Perhaps in centuries they could be...
David777>>> Due to an obvious lack of science understanding, you are expecting some other monkey/ape creature species to evolve into human like ways in the immensely short period we humans have had civilization that is less than 10,000 years? A trivial moment in far longer millions of years timescales. Until a person has reasonable current level science understanding of what is known, trying to correct someone knowing so little is futile. What we have in recent decades come to understand is many other higher level creatures with brains, communicate with sounds in far more sophisticated ways than was expected by supposed experts only a few decades ago.
AG>>>If one believes in the Bible, and God, who knows what of other theories might actually work along with such... It's definitely all thought provoking. And I believe always will be long after we are all gone.
David777>>>It always will be for those who can believe in magic, actions without forces, as easily as current science they barely seem to understand.
AG>>>I know I've seen things, sensed things, that cannot be explained... Felt things... Evolution certainly does not explain what I am talking of... But who knows, maybe the two theories ) work together. Or one or two other theories as well... We simply don't have all the answers and so that's quite possible imo. As possible as anything.
David777>>> As though belief in gods is also a theory which it is NOT. I created an SF thread once on the differences in basic science terminology of theories, hypotheses, arguments, etc that was expectedly ignored. In casual conversation, ordinary people use the term "theory" like "A possible reason that explains something specific." No no and NO, that is not what a science "theory" means. Its been culturally hijacked and when others use the term in science related conversation, one ought use it the way intended, not casually.
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We simply don't have all the answers and so that's quite possible imo. As possible as anything.
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We I simply don't have all the answers and so that's quite possible imo for me. As possible as anything for me.
The following post serves purpose as an example of why I personally don't do more than add my post inputs without usually explaining why I don't agree with other's posts that would be viewed by some others as condescending, overly critical, snarky, and or forum emotionally disrupting. So please, SF members, continue to post your own thoughts from your own perspective, its valuable for others to understand how other SF members and people in general think the ways they do. But don't expect some others on SF beyond those like the poster or those that prefer to agitate like its an amusing game, to provide complementary input supporting whatever or not. Thus any lack of, a confirmation for whatever may be left unchallenged.
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AG>>>No one knows [Whether science or fundamentalist/Creationist religion is correct.] and I don't think anyone ever will know before death. How many centuries has science had to figure it out as well?
David777>>> Science over centuries has gradually figured out why many Christian religious dogma ideas have been logical and science nonsense. That began accelerating in the Middle Ages with Galileo and his telescope devices. The absolute answer to whether a god exists or not is the one narrow question that can never be answered with certainty as long as something doesn't happen magically by the god people refer to. And if death is what it obviously seems, no one will have awareness to think, much less "know" after their mortal ending. So yeah, wrong question but it does serve purpose showing why responding would have no positive value.
AG>>>I can see where one can watch monkeys or apes and believe we evolved from such, but then why haven't they evolved into humans or science tried to do that with them? Oh, they have probably. I mean they have studied them, trained them... Still they are not human... Perhaps in centuries they could be...
David777>>> Due to an obvious lack of science understanding, you are expecting some other monkey/ape creature species to evolve into human like ways in the immensely short period we humans have had civilization that is less than 10,000 years? A trivial moment in far longer millions of years timescales. Until a person has reasonable current level science understanding of what is known, trying to correct someone knowing so little is futile. What we have in recent decades come to understand is many other higher level creatures with brains, communicate with sounds in far more sophisticated ways than was expected by supposed experts only a few decades ago.
AG>>>If one believes in the Bible, and God, who knows what of other theories might actually work along with such... It's definitely all thought provoking. And I believe always will be long after we are all gone.
David777>>>It always will be for those who can believe in magic, actions without forces, as easily as current science they barely seem to understand.
AG>>>I know I've seen things, sensed things, that cannot be explained... Felt things... Evolution certainly does not explain what I am talking of... But who knows, maybe the two theories ) work together. Or one or two other theories as well... We simply don't have all the answers and so that's quite possible imo. As possible as anything.
David777>>> As though belief in gods is also a theory which it is NOT. I created an SF thread once on the differences in basic science terminology of theories, hypotheses, arguments, etc that was expectedly ignored. In casual conversation, ordinary people use the term "theory" like "A possible reason that explains something specific." No no and NO, that is not what a science "theory" means. Its been culturally hijacked and when others use the term in science related conversation, one ought use it the way intended, not casually.
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We simply don't have all the answers and so that's quite possible imo. As possible as anything.
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