Senior grandmother stabbed in her garage in a gated community by a car thief.

Della said:
There's no way to get rid of all the guns, but other countries have managed to greatly reduce the number of guns and reduce gun crime in the process.
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Wrong.

Fewer Guns, Less Crime? Not in Europe
https://mises.org/power-market/fewer-guns-less-crime-not-europe

Short blurb from site:
Comparing these numbers (of guns owned) to homicide rates, however, we clearly don't find much of a relationship at all.

Homicide rates in nearly all cases are below 2 per 100,000 which is a very low rate by any global or historical standard.

But, as we can see, civilian guns in Austria, for instance, are six times more numerous what they are in the UK. But the homicide rate is lower in Austria. Similarly, there are twelve times more civilian guns in Switzerland than in the Netherlands. Yet both countries have about the same homicide rates.
 

WhatInThe said:
A 77 year old grandmother was stabbed to death in her garage when she surprised a car thief. She lived in a GATED community? The car was recovered with in 24 hours then a suspect arrest with in 24 hours after the suspect's picture was made public. Her son who had just come to visit for the holidays discovered his mom's body.

https://nypost.com/2022/12/13/atlanta-grandmother-stabbed-to-death-in-garage-in-gated-community/

Gated communities are supposed to stop things like this. Could be a follow with a tracking device theft where car thieves put a tracker on the car they want to steal then go to the owner's home later. She did have a Lexus SUV which would be a target for thieves.

There are cell phone apps one can download for free to detect these trackers wether one has an Iphone or not.

WATCH YOUR SURROUNDINGS where ever you go. Look for people looking at you or just hanging around doing nothing. They might be hunting prey ie a person or car.
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Last week some low lives got into our underground garage and broke the windows of 7 vehicles looking for change in coffee holders. Crimes is increasing by leaps and bounds. I am sure that it's only going to get worse with robots taking over jobs and a lot of unemployed people due to the recession.
 
Della said:
Of course morons shouldn't own guns. That's my point. There's no way to filter those people out. The man was an engineer, I'm sure he did fine on IQ tests and had no criminal record. People can be careless, can gun dealers tell who is and who isn't going to be careless on any given day?

As for how to get criminals to turn in their guns -- that's what the buy back is for. Criminals are often addicts and at times they will sell anything they can for quick money. As for some people bringing in junks or buying guns to sell, who cares? The point is to get the guns off the street not to make a profit.

There's no way to get rid of all the guns, but other countries have managed to greatly reduce the number of guns and reduce gun crime in the process.
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Reality: There is no way for anyone to tell what someone intends to do with any product.
I'm sure that if the companies knew what Timothy McVeigh was going to do with their products, (murder 184 people) they wouldn't have sold him Fertilizer & Diesel fuel.
 

Indiana Joe said:
Wrong.

Fewer Guns, Less Crime? Not in Europe
https://mises.org/power-market/fewer-guns-less-crime-not-europe

Short blurb from site:
Comparing these numbers (of guns owned) to homicide rates, however, we clearly don't find much of a relationship at all.

Homicide rates in nearly all cases are below 2 per 100,000 which is a very low rate by any global or historical standard.

But, as we can see, civilian guns in Austria, for instance, are six times more numerous what they are in the UK. But the homicide rate is lower in Austria. Similarly, there are twelve times more civilian guns in Switzerland than in the Netherlands. Yet both countries have about the same homicide rates.
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Interesting, and thanks for posting this.

I will point out that, while some countries such as Austria have relatively liberal gun ownership laws (although licensing and registration is required) overall gun ownership is low. Austria, for example, has about a million guns for 9 million people. We have about 400 million guns for 330 million people.

Meanwhile you are free to own and carry as you see fit.
 
Buckeye said:
Again, there are an estimated 400,000,000 firearms in the hands of individuals in America.

400 million

and 20 million or so are "AR" type weapons

and about 1/3 of American households have weapons

or to put it another way, about 80,000,000 Americans own weapons

And if you do the math, the average gun owner has 5 or so weapons.

How successful do you think you will be banning a type of weapon? It's too late.

And, comparisons to what happens in other countries is totally meaningless. For example, in Australia's buy back program, they took in 650,000 weapons. Americans bought 19,000,000 weapons in 2021, and 2,000,000 or so were of the feared "AR" type.

And we have an 1,800 mile, more or less open border with Mexico, home of many major drug cartels. Ban a gun here and in a New York minute, those guns will be pouring across the border with the drugs. How big is the border between Australia and Mexico? Japan and Mexico? England and Mexico?

One more number: in 2021, 5,400,000 Americans were first time gun buyers. 5.4 million new gun owners.

Have a nice day.
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Just stop selling bullets. Guns won't work without bullets. Eventually the bullets will run out. Banning guns may not be an immediate fix, but eventually as cops seize more guns and and no more bullets are being provided, guns will slowly disappear.
 
Victoria said:
Just stop selling bullets. Guns won't work without bullets. Eventually the bullets will run out. Banning guns may not be an immediate fix, but eventually as cops seize more guns and and no more bullets are being provided, guns will slowly disappear.
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Wouldn't matter to me. I make my own ammo & it's better than anything I can buy. :)
Besides, that would also create a black market for factory ammo. Illegal drugs have been banned for years. How'd that work out?
 
Indiana Joe said:
New York, Illinois and California have some of the toughest gun laws in the USA. The armed gangs own the major cities in those states.

You anti gunners just don't get the message: ONLY honest people obey laws.
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I am not an anti-gunner, I am against just everyone getting their hands on any number of guns they wish. I am totally against everyone getting guns that only the military should have. People here in Canada have and use hunting rifles, they even have some of those military type guns, but there is a limit to the number of rounds they can get. There are laws about how the guns are stored and how the ammo is stored. We very rarely have a child get daddy's gun and accidentally killing his little friend, mother, brother because daddy will go to prison for not securing said gun.
 
mrstime said:
I am not an anti-gunner, I am against just everyone getting their hands on any number of guns they wish. I am totally against everyone getting guns that only the military should have. People here in Canada have and use hunting rifles, they even have some of those military type guns, but there is a limit to the number of rounds they can get. There are laws about how the guns are stored and how the ammo is stored. We very rarely have a child get daddy's gun and accidentally killing his little friend, mother, brother because daddy will go to prison for not securing said gun.
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More and more of the predators are carrying AR-15s and AKs in the commission of their crimes, including home invasions. There's no way I'm going to face down a half dozen home invaders, or even a single one carrying a rifle with a large capacity magazine with my Colt .45 loaded with seven rounds. No way.

What has to be done in today's U.S.A is to put criminals with guns away for a decade or two, and stop letting them back out onto the street on $100 bail money. Again and again we see in the news felons arrested for carrying a gun who have multiple felony convictions.

The cure for stopping gun violence in the U.S.A. is to lock up the felons, and with most them, keep them locked up. Secondly, get rid of the drug trade in the country. The drug trade is the main reason for the high murder rate in Chicago and other lenient cities. Drug users after being arrested the first time should get mandatory rehab. If the screw that up by not attending, they go to jail for at least a year. For the second time they get caught they do five years prison time.

Tough? Yeah. But you have to scare anybody from even starting those damn drugs. And - what's more important, stifling the life of a druggie, or having honest citizens die because that druggie keeps enriching the drug sellers and the Mexican cartel. Right now, the Mexican cartel owns a number of states and their largest cities because of the tolerance of the powers that be.

We cannot discuss politics here. But when you discuss gun and drug problems, it is most necessary that those main causes must be discussed.

And lastly, foreigners who do not have a clue as to how filled with fear the average honest American is should stop telling us honest Americans to give up our weapons and die - and probably along with some members of our families.

Get rid of the drugs and get the felons off the street and gun ownership and crime will decrease exponentially.

Honest people with guns ain't the problem.
 
Indiana Joe said:
More and more of the predators are carrying AR-15s and AKs in the commission of their crimes, including home invasions. There's no way I'm going to face down a half dozen home invaders, or even a single one carrying a rifle with a large capacity magazine with my Colt .45 loaded with seven rounds. No way.

What has to be done in today's U.S.A is to put criminals with guns away for a decade or two, and stop letting them back out onto the street on $100 bail money. Again and again we see in the news felons arrested for carrying a gun who have multiple felony convictions.

The cure for stopping gun violence in the U.S.A. is to lock up the felons, and with most them, keep them locked up. Secondly, get rid of the drug trade in the country. The drug trade is the main reason for the high murder rate in Chicago and other lenient cities. Drug users after being arrested the first time should get mandatory rehab. If the screw that up by not attending, they go to jail for at least a year. For the second time they get caught they do five years prison time.

Tough? Yeah. But you have to scare anybody from even starting those damn drugs. And - what's more important, stifling the life of a druggie, or having honest citizens die because that druggie keeps enriching the drug sellers and the Mexican cartel. Right now, the Mexican cartel owns a number of states and their largest cities because of the tolerance of the powers that be.

We cannot discuss politics here. But when you discuss gun and drug problems, it is most necessary that those main causes must be discussed.

And lastly, foreigners who do not have a clue as to how filled with fear the average honest American is should stop telling us honest Americans to give up our weapons and die - and probably along with some members of our families.

Get rid of the drugs and get the felons off the street and gun ownership and crime will decrease exponentially.

Honest people with guns ain't the problem.
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You know I don't agree with you about guns, but your analysis of the crime and drug problem is spot on.
 
mrstime said:
I am not an anti-gunner, I am against just everyone getting their hands on any number of guns they wish. I am totally against everyone getting guns that only the military should have. People here in Canada have and use hunting rifles, they even have some of those military type guns, but there is a limit to the number of rounds they can get. There are laws about how the guns are stored and how the ammo is stored. We very rarely have a child get daddy's gun and accidentally killing his little friend, mother, brother because daddy will go to prison for not securing said gun.
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A little tidbit from Chicago news.

Gunman robs woman as she walks dog in Lincoln Park, steps from where Dakotah Earley was shot and robbed this spring ​


December 14, 2022 CWBChicago


Shocking video from a Lincoln Park homeowner shows a woman being robbed at gunpoint as she walked her dog in the Lincoln Park neighborhood Wednesday morning. And, in a sickening twist, the robbery crew is also seen splitting up and driving away in two vehicles on the very same street corner where Dakotah Earley was nearly killed in an armed robbery this spring.
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Here is a site that will keep anyone apprised as to Chicago crime.
https://cwbchicago.com/
 
win231 said:
If a .45 is too much for an elderly lady, a 38 Spl, .380 or even a .22 would work. At least she would still be alive.
I have taught many women (young & old) who were frightened of guns to effectively defend themselves. It doesn't take an expert to hit a man-sized target from a few feet away; anyone can do it.
A firearm is the only way for an elderly person to survive an attack by a younger, stronger, larger person.
That's called "Reality." And "Reality" is the world intelligent people live in.
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It's nonsense when people decry the usefulness of a .380. Nobody, including a predator wants to get a bullet put inside him. Maybe a .380 isn't as effective for a single shot kill, but with seven or eight of them in the magazine, lots of luck to the bad guy. Besides, that "single shot kill" rarely happens, no matter if it from a .45 or a .357.

I carry a Ruger .380 in a pocket holster inside my front pocket. It passes scrutiny during doctor visits or what have you. Besides, in Indiana those gun free zone signs are worthless. The law says I can carry anywhere except for few well defined places. However, if the business asks me to leave for carrying, I am obliged to do so.

You're dang right about distance. An eighty-year-old hardly has to be a marksman to drop some creep at eight or ten feet away. So-called gun training adherents and their police style thinking would only disarm most of the population who really need a gun. I think that most of this gun training crapola comes from range owners who see a bonanza of $$$ over the horizon.

Quit trying to explain Reality to anti-gunners. They live in an imaginary, shatterproof bubble of delusion.
 
WhatInThe said:
A 77 year old grandmother was stabbed to death in her garage when she surprised a car thief. She lived in a GATED community? The car was recovered with in 24 hours then a suspect arrest with in 24 hours after the suspect's picture was made public. Her son who had just come to visit for the holidays discovered his mom's body.

https://nypost.com/2022/12/13/atlanta-grandmother-stabbed-to-death-in-garage-in-gated-community/

Gated communities are supposed to stop things like this. Could be a follow with a tracking device theft where car thieves put a tracker on the car they want to steal then go to the owner's home later. She did have a Lexus SUV which would be a target for thieves.

There are cell phone apps one can download for free to detect these trackers wether one has an Iphone or not.

WATCH YOUR SURROUNDINGS where ever you go. Look for people looking at you or just hanging around doing nothing. They might be hunting prey ie a person or car.
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As usual, this creep had a record for aggravated assault plus another for having an illegal gun.

https://www.11alive.com/article/new...bbing/85-23aac384-e440-4977-839d-98ff18b7a327

They keep leaving these creeps free to walk the street. Just the fact this bum was carrying an illegal gun should have kept him locked up for a good amount of years. But, as usual, the Powers That Be allowed him to continue on his way to finally take a life.
 
Indiana Joe said:
As usual, this creep had a record for aggravated assault plus another for having an illegal gun.

https://www.11alive.com/article/new...bbing/85-23aac384-e440-4977-839d-98ff18b7a327

They keep leaving these creeps free to walk the street. Just the fact this bum was carrying an illegal gun should have kept him locked up for a good amount of years. But, as usual, the Powers That Be allowed him to continue on his way to finally take a life.
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As soon as I saw he was 23 years old I figured he had a record. A junvenile would be too nervous to pull that off without help.

But were the cops in hot pursuit or he thought he was being pursued?
 
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WhatInThe said:
As soon as I saw he was 23 years old I figured he had a record. A junvenile would be too nervous to pull that off without help.

But were the cops in hot pursued or he thought he was being pursued?
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Doesn't matter what he thought at that time. If the murder hadn't happened that time, he would have killed someone else at another time. He's a killer. Sooner or later, a killer kills. He should still been in prison over the illegal gun charge. But the Powers That Be want chaos. It's necessary to destroy the present society in order to build a tyranny on it's ashes.
 
Harvard professor Robert J. Sampson reported that the reason violent crime rates are so high among blacks originates mainly from unemployment, economic deprivation, and family disorganization. Specifically, he found that "the scarcity of employed black men increases the prevalence of families headed by females in black communities" and that the increased prevalence of such families in turn results in family disruption that significantly increases black murder and robbery rates. Sampson found that at least half of the black-white homicide offending differential is attributable to structural neighborhood factors like parents' marital status and social context. Multiple other studies have found a link between black crime rates and structural factors, such as single-parent families and structural inequality.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

None of the reports I've read so far talk about Brown's upbringing other than his mother was reported to have started a family dispute that lead to threats and Brown's arrest a few years ago. Too often the media doesn't look into the why of crime.
 
How terribly tragic and sad! Her poor son...I can't even imagine what he must've felt. This is further proof that living in so called safe areas does not protect from crime. "Safe" has now become a myth.
 
Plea Bargaining. When a felon commits a crime while armed, he is already committing a crime by being in possession of a gun.
But that crime is always plea bargained & taken off the table, which means he'll get a very short prison sentence, or no sentence; only probation. That's why most felons are repeat felons.
 
mrstime said:
I am not an anti-gunner, I am against just everyone getting their hands on any number of guns they wish. I am totally against everyone getting guns that only the military should have. People here in Canada have and use hunting rifles, they even have some of those military type guns, but there is a limit to the number of rounds they can get. There are laws about how the guns are stored and how the ammo is stored. We very rarely have a child get daddy's gun and accidentally killing his little friend, mother, brother because daddy will go to prison for not securing said gun.
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I'm all for that. If your gun or your pit-bull kills a neighbor, you should go to jail.

( I love your signature line, so much!)
 
Pepper said:
Not me personally, but here generally, so no, USA hates taxes, then complain they need stuff.
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same here really.. but only because when they raise the Taxes supposedly to pay for something like we've been discussing.. and then they don't follow through with it.. it makes people MAD.. and it happens often.. but if the Govt actually did what they say they were going to do, then people would have no qualms about paying extra
 

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