Serious side effects- my opinion

StarSong said:
Here are some more assumptions people probably SHOULDN'T make, based on my experience and what I've read
  • The vaccine will be ineffective at preventing you from getting Covid
  • The vaccine will be ineffective at preventing the spread of Covid
  • It's wise to decide about vaccines based on the 1% stats rather than the 99%
  • Covid illness and death rates are no worse than the flu.
  • The vaccines carry a much higher chance of death than Covid
  • No need to bother with masks - they don't work
  • Having a robust immune system will surely protect you from contracting Covid, because no previously healthy people have died from it.
  • Virtually every organization - and person - has a political agenda of some sort
  • Many epidemiologists, virologists, scientists and medical personnel are not altruistic nor do they care deeply about people's health
  • No need to bother with a vaccine - your friends and family will be delighted to host you in their homes either way.
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Well said, Star!
 

HoneyNut said:
I feel like the news reporting every person who died after being vaccinated, makes the vaccine appear more dangerous than it is. When millions of people are getting vaccinated, there are just randomly going to be lots of people who die. I had a coworker who was approx 40 yrs old and one Christmas after his kids (both younger than elementary school) opened presents he didn't feel good and went upstairs to the bedroom. When his wife checked on him 5 minutes later he was dead. And this happened decades before covid, so I learned that shocking unexpected deaths even among relatively young people DO happen. Another coworker even younger unexpectedly died once (decades ago) too.

I am glad of course that they are investigating all the deaths, and it is concerning that they are talking about relatively young women having blood clots after having been vaccinated. But that is also the same people who might be on birth control pills, and the rate for getting clots is about 0.3% to 1% over 10 years for a woman on the pill (and this is also described as 'rare'), and that doesn't stop many women from being on the pill at some point in their life.

Anyway, it seems very irresponsible when people try to frighten people away from getting vaccinated. I thought when people in Africa wouldn't get the polio vaccine because of a belief that America put anti-fertility chemicals in it, that they must have been very uneducated people, but after reading all these opinions here about the covid vaccine, I wonder if there is a normal personality type that enjoys thinking they are being lied to and tricked and feel good about themselves for not believing information. There is a lot of bad and wrong info but it seems so self-evident and logical to assign more weight to experts in infectious diseases.

I'm not sure about vaccine passports but I would much prefer to go on a plane or a cruise that required them. I don't see how it is different than countries that require Yellow Fever vaccinations to enter their country. And in my state if someone has TB they can be thrown in jail if they don't get treatment. I am super glad of all the people (including myself not that I had any personal choice in the matter) who got smallpox vaccinations which allowed that disease to be wiped out, and all the people who have gotten polio vaccine that is making that a very small threat and giving hope of wiping it out. And all the people who get flu vaccinations which shrinks the spread of flu (my cousin died of the flu many years ago).

And I hope 70+% of people get Covid vaccinations so we can reduce not only the current pandemic, but also decrease the chances of a bad variant. I totally support people who can't get the vaccine for health reasons, but people who refuse it due to unwillingness are to me like people who skip out of taxes, they will benefit from other people shouldering the responsibility.
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Well said, and I strongly agree!
 
chic said:
The reason I disbelieve is because we were lied to from the start about what was going to happen. In the U.S. we were told stay in for four weeks, two covid cycles
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I don't think it was a "lie", that word implies everyone knew what the future held and intentionally said something that turned out to not be true.
The company I work for struggled at the beginning of the pandemic, trying to respond to a rapidly changing situation. Every week in January/February 2020 we'd get a different email of changed company rules about international travel and quarantine. I have one coworker who was leaving on a planned two week visit to Thailand to visit his old mom, and the day before he left our company suddenly instituted rules about two week quarantine before returning to the office and he had to really stress and scramble to install the appropriate security apps etc so that he'd be able to WFH.
Then our company said we'd go on a rotation, half the people in the office for two weeks while the other half were at home, and switch places after every two weeks, then poof in a day all that was wrong and we were to all WFH, then all our badges were deactivated to prevent us from even being able to go to the office, and it was a big rigamarole of multiple levels of management approval to go in for one day to get forgotten hardware. I remember I bought the last cheap computer monitor at Walmart and was so glad I'd been on the first rotation and had brought home my keyboard, mouse, etc.
But, I don't feel like anything the company told us that they later changed meant they ever "lied" to us, they didn't know the future and I am so happy that they reacted as fast as they could to respond to the pandemic.
I'm cynically suspicious that their caution for our health is due to a profit motive but I am so appreciative that they have protected us. I think without big corps the US would be in a worse situation. It is funny that working for a big corp feels like living in China and chafes a lot, but in a dangerous situation the control they have over us was to our benefit.
 

HoneyNut said:
I don't think it was a "lie", that word implies everyone knew what the future held and intentionally said something that turned out to not be true.
The company I work for struggled at the beginning of the pandemic, trying to respond to a rapidly changing situation. Every week in January/February 2020 we'd get a different email of changed company rules about international travel and quarantine. I have one coworker who was leaving on a planned two week visit to Thailand to visit his old mom, and the day before he left our company suddenly instituted rules about two week quarantine before returning to the office and he had to really stress and scramble to install the appropriate security apps etc so that he'd be able to WFH.
Then our company said we'd go on a rotation, half the people in the office for two weeks while the other half were at home, and switch places after every two weeks, then poof in a day all that was wrong and we were to all WFH, then all our badges were deactivated to prevent us from even being able to go to the office, and it was a big rigamarole of multiple levels of management approval to go in for one day to get forgotten hardware. I remember I bought the last cheap computer monitor at Walmart and was so glad I'd been on the first rotation and had brought home my keyboard, mouse, etc.
But, I don't feel like anything the company told us that they later changed meant they ever "lied" to us, they didn't know the future and I am so happy that they reacted as fast as they could to respond to the pandemic.
I'm cynically suspicious that their caution for our health is due to a profit motive but I am so appreciative that they have protected us. I think without big corps the US would be in a worse situation. It is funny that working for a big corp feels like living in China and chafes a lot, but in a dangerous situation the control they have over us was to our benefit.
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I think Dr. Fauci knew very well what he was saying and doing. He's been an epidemiologist for decades! If he told people, "We're going to make you stay in for two years and wear masks everytime you go out and give up all your work and all your freedoms until we have a vaccine which we will then force you to take to get some of the freedoms we took away back," people would have been rioting in the streets, pandemic or no pandemic.
In your heart, you know this is true.
 
chic said:
I think Dr. Fauci knew very well what he was saying and doing. He's been an epidemiologist for decades! If he told people, "We're going to make you
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I could be wrong but I don't think the CDC "makes" people do stuff, I thought they provide guidance/policy information and political systems would be the ones that have power to "make" and enforce laws?
There is no political entity forcing me to wear a mask, because I live in a rural area of a 'red' state, but as far as I've seen everyone (and myself) is wearing masks anyway. Probably largely due to private companies requiring them, but in any case not because Dr Fauci is making us.
I really don't understand blaming disease control measures on the experts that inform us about them. I mean we use condoms (sadly not anymore! ha ha) because they tell us that sexual diseases spread that way, and we don't blame them and say 'if they told us we'd have to use condoms for years we would have been rioting in the streets'?
There are several countries whose political systems and citizens did a good job at following the guidance and those people are able to live normally (most are lucky enough to have a whole island to themselves).
 
Dr. Fauci was the one with the ego and bad judgment from the beginning? Interesting way to look at it.

My perspective on the DC drama, bad judgment, and plenty of false information (disinfectant injections, anyone?) and who wanted to be a Covid superstar spun out in an entirely different way.
 
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tbeltrans said:
Maybe Trump was not negatively impacted by Regeneron? It sounds as if your recuperation took much longer than Trump's. I think it would be a good thing if there really was a medication that allowed a person to walk out of the hospital within three days and go back to work right away. It would change everything.

Tony
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I spoke to my Neurologist about Trump’s recovery. He made several comments, but also told me that Trump probably did not have as serious side effects as others. At the time Trump was given Regeneron, it was still a relatively newer drug that was being used in coalition with other drugs, such as the Z-Pack and Zinc.

My brain is now back to it’s supposedly normal size. The only effect that I have remaining is that I tend to lose balance at no particular time. I’m off all medications for now, but if this balance issue doesn’t resolve itself, the Neurologist said she may try a different steroid.
 
911 said:
I spoke to my Neurologist about Trump’s recovery. He made several comments, but also told me that Trump probably did not have as serious side effects as others. At the time Trump was given Regeneron, it was still a relatively newer drug that was being used in coalition with other drugs, such as the Z-Pack and Zinc.

My brain is now back to it’s supposedly normal size. The only effect that I have remaining is that I tend to lose balance at no particular time. I’m off all medications for now, but if this balance issue doesn’t resolve itself, the Neurologist said she may try a different steroid.
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I don't wish people to be sick and I don't have that all-too-common hatred for Trump (or any President), but I do think that Trump, being President at the time and therefore extremely public, would have an impact on how some people might perceive COVID-19 as being less than as serious as it needs to be taken. In other words, such pronouncements regarding his health need to be weighed against the big picture and managed with care for the message such announcements have on the public.

One of my brothers had COVID-19 and said it is the most sick he has ever felt - like he was going to die. Even months later he still has that tendency to lose balance and has fallen and hurt himself from that. He also said that he has trouble with near-term memory. This is bad, since he is a partner in a law firm. Anyway, there were other issue too that I don't recall offhand, but I know that even months later, he still has these ongoing issues.

Tony
 
ProTruckDriver said:
Hmm, I wonder how long it would have taken for a wonder vaccine to be made if someone else were in office, maybe a few years? My guess, you all still would have been waiting for it to be developed. Let's hope another type of vaccine is not needed with the Gaffe Machine in office now.
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He didn't develop the vaccine...the pharmacies did, although funding it might be the only thing he did right concerning Covid. And still people won't take it, even though it was developed under him.
 
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tbeltrans said:
I don't wish people to be sick and I don't have that all-too-common hatred for Trump (or any President), but I do think that Trump, being President at the time and therefore extremely public, would have an impact on how some people might perceive COVID-19 as being less than as serious as it needs to be taken. In other words, such pronouncements regarding his health need to be weighed against the big picture and managed with care for the message such announcements have on the public.

One of my brothers had COVID-19 and said it is the most sick he has ever felt - like he was going to die. Even months later he still has that tendency to lose balance and has fallen and hurt himself from that. He also said that he has trouble with near-term memory. This is bad, since he is a partner in a law firm. Anyway, there were other issue too that I don't recall offhand, but I know that even months later, he still has these ongoing issues.

Tony
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For awhile, I was concerned that I was the only person that had balance issues. When the Neurologist told me that loss of balance is now considered as a long term effect, I was able to better accept it. Problem now is “how long” will the effect last? No one wants to comment on that question.
 
Last summer I got sick with what seemed to be a really bad case of the flu, it was about the sickest I've ever been and the symptoms lasted two full weeks and left me really drained. Once I got where I could move around again I found my joints were all tender and a little sore. The arthritis in my left knee which I've had for years was suddenly much worse, bad enough that I had to start using a walking cane, and I still have to use it, and I also now had hypothyroidism; I've never had a thyroid problem before, and am still taking thyroid medication for that, I will probably have to always take it. I am the only person in my family to ever have a thyroid problem so it's not in my genes. When I was sick, we suspected that I had wuhan flu and I got tested for it and my test result was negative. I still believe I had wuhan covid flu and that my test result was a false negative. I discussed this with my doctor recently and she agrees that the possibility that I got a false negative is likely. No way to tell without checking for anti-bodies.
 
digifoss said:
I discussed this with my doctor recently and she agrees that the possibility that I got a false negative is likely. No way to tell without checking for anti-bodies.
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I am sorry you were so sick. It does sound like you had Covid-45. It seems like the tests (especially the rapid ones) are not that accurate. I think if it was me, I would want the anti-body test.
 
911 said:
For awhile, I was concerned that I was the only person that had balance issues. When the Neurologist told me that loss of balance is now considered as a long term effect, I was able to better accept it. Problem now is “how long” will the effect last? No one wants to comment on that question.
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I don't think anyone knows yet.

Tony
 
911 said:
If

I was still on the active duty role, I would be on sick leave.
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I am not sure I understand your response. I think what you are saying is that this is a problem because you couldn't provide a time frame to your employer so that s/he would know when to expect you back.

What I meant was that I don't think anyone knows yet how long the ongoing effects will last. My brother has posed the same question to his doctor and couldn't get even an estimate because the doctor didn't know either. Maybe over time, at least some of the people now experiencing the ongoing effects of COVID-19 will find these ceasing to bother them. If enough people experience this, then maybe the medical community can come up with a general sense of the time frame.

Tony
 
tbeltrans said:
I am not sure I understand your response. I think what you are saying is that this is a problem because you couldn't provide a time frame to your employer so that s/he would know when to expect you back.

What I meant was that I don't think anyone knows yet how long the ongoing effects will last. My brother has posed the same question to his doctor and couldn't get even an estimate because the doctor didn't know either. Maybe over time, at least some of the people now experiencing the ongoing effects of COVID-19 will find these ceasing to bother them. If enough people experience this, then maybe the medical community can come up with a general sense of the time frame.

Tony
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If I was still on active duty with the state police, I would have to be on sick leave due to my issue of losing my balance for no apparent reason. A state Trooper must pass different tests before returning to active duty, one of which is an ENG. Google ENG, if you like.
 
911 said:
If I was still on active duty with the state police, I would have to be on sick leave due to my issue of losing my balance for no apparent reason. A state Trooper must pass different tests before returning to active duty, one of which is an ENG. Google ENG, if you like.
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Thanks for the explanation. I didn't know these things, but then I often say here what the limits on my knowledge are, and I am the first to admit that they are substantial.

I see so many posts here, such as in the thread on the Chauvin trial and I have to wonder how many of those posts are from trained lawyers or police officers because they are stated as known fact rather than opinion. It is the same story with the threads on COVID-19. How many posting there are medical people who really know what they are talking about?

The threads I can speak with authority on would be regarding certain aspects of technology (certainly not all of it) and those areas I have first hand experience in such as something medical that my wife may be dealing with, or my experiences with the VA. This is a relatively narrow scope, considering the breadth of subjects discussed here.

So I do appreciate your taking the time to explain what you meant. It wasn't that you weren't clear, but that it wasn't clear to me without the work experience you have.

I did google ENG, and the context of this seems to fit the discussion:

https://www.webmd.com/brain/what-is-electronystagmography

From the site, here are the initial high points so you can determine if I found what you were referring to:

ENG is a series of sensory tests for your eyes and ears.

Do you ever get dizzy when you’re getting out of bed? Ever become nauseous when looking down from a great height? Have you felt like the world is moving even if you’re not?

It’s a common sensation, and it’s known as vertigo.

Tony
 
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tbeltrans said:
Thanks for the explanation. I didn't know these things, but then I often say here what the limits on my knowledge are, and I am the first to admit that they are substantial.

I see so many posts here, such as in the thread on the Chauvin trial and I have to wonder how many of those posts are from trained lawyers or police officers because they are stated as known fact rather than opinion. It is the same story with the threads on COVID-19. How many posting there are medical people who really know what they are talking about?

The threads I can speak with authority on would be regarding certain aspects of technology (certainly not all of it) and those areas I have first hand experience in such as something medical that my wife may be dealing with, or my experiences with the VA. This is a relatively narrow scope, considering the breadth of subjects discussed here.

So I do appreciate your taking the time to explain what you meant. It wasn't that you weren't clear, but that it wasn't clear to me without the work experience you have.

I did google ENG, and the context of this seems to fit the discussion:

https://www.webmd.com/brain/what-is-electronystagmogra
From the site, here are the initial high points so you can determine if I found what you were referring to:

ENG is a series of sensory tests for your eyes and ears.

Do you ever get dizzy when you’re getting out of bed? Ever become nauseous when looking down from a great height? Have you felt like the world is moving even if you’re not?

It’s a common sensation, and it’s known as vertigo.

Tony
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I really don’t get dizzy. I just lose my balance, which can occur at any time and doing any activity. It’s something that I can tolerate, but it’s very annoying. I also stumble at times with it, so I can look like I may have had 1 too many.
I had 2 ENG tests and the first one proved my point. The second test showed no traces, so it’s a come and go thing. I may end up having to live with it.
 
911 said:
I really don’t get dizzy. I just lose my balance, which can occur at any time and doing any activity. It’s something that I can tolerate, but it’s very annoying. I also stumble at times with it, so I can look like I may have had 1 too many.
I had 2 ENG tests and the first one proved my point. The second test showed no traces, so it’s a come and go thing. I may end up having to live with it.
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That is what happens to my brother too, apparently. He still lives in Los Angeles and I live in the Twin Cities, so we haven't seen each other in years but we talk on the phone from time to time. I believe him since he is always very clear in his explanations.

Tony
 
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