Shall we ban politics? Take the poll.

Do you want politcs to be banned from this forum?

  • Yes, ban it.

    Votes: 37 50.0%

  • No, keep it.

    Votes: 37 50.0%
  • Total voters
    74
  • Poll closed .
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I am reminded of George Carlin and his "7 dirty words you can't say on television". If you could programmatically monitor a thread with a list of words that would cause a post to be deleted, it would solve a lot of problems. But of course that would in itself be problematic. To quote George, "you can prick your finger but you can't ........"
 

Hoot N Annie said:
I am reminded of George Carlin and his "7 dirty words you can't say on television". If you could programmatically monitor a thread with a list of words that would cause a post to be deleted, it would solve a lot of problems. But of course that would in itself be problematic. To quote George, "you can prick your finger but you can't ........"
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I haven't seen those kind of words used in the forum here.

The worse I have been called is a Ruskie to which I inquired if they noticed my accent.
 

Camper6 said:
I haven't seen those kind of words used in the forum here.

The worse I have been called is a Ruskie to which I inquired if they noticed my accent.
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lol - the words I had in mind were not "dirty" per se. Things like "Obummer" instead of Obama, "Killary" instead of Hillary, "tRump" instead of Trump, etc. Petty name calling. "Nazi" or "racist" and similar insults would also be banned. But it would be impossible to catch them all. So once again, I'll dope slap myself.
 
Matrix said:
If they only post in politics, a dedicated political forum would be a better place for them.


You can come up with all perfect rules, it all comes down how to enforce them. Unless you are ready to ban many members, the rules are just some meaningless text.


Intensive debate in politics doesn't affect one's judgement? Remember politics is emotional, intense, personal, rude, confrontational, personal attacks, it brings out the worst of a person, you expect someone who is involved to be fair?

If a mod has different views than yours, he can edit/remove your posts or even ban you as he wants, when your post was moderated by him, you still think he is fair?
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Matrix....I think you might do good to check out this political forum....I think most members hear are quite sensible compared to the political forum....there are a few here that would love this right leaning sight, because it allows nastiness as long as it's not personal.....But really, when insults are made against the left or the right, it is personal to most on the insulted side.

I think that Reagan started disrespecting the liberals when he became POTUS. And the cons tried making "liberal" a dirty word. And the democrats tried to take the high road, which labeled them as wimps. Trump and his minions have taken disrespect to a whole new level, and now liberals are giving what they've been getting. And we are now seeing that cons and Trump are pretty thin skinned, because they are being proven to be on the wrong side of so many issues....so they have "alternative facts" and "fake news" as retorts. But there is no denying that they are being exposed, that's why they are in the minority.

There is no denying that the cons tried for eight years to disrespect and dismantle everything that the first black president tried to accomplish. And it branded the GOP as the obstructionists. Trump and the cons are still trying to dismantle healthcare, just because Obama accomplished it, even though it was originally a Romney idea. But it's also because it takes money from the rich and corporations, which is the love of republicans. Republicans have been trying to destroy Social Security and welfare and equal rights and unions since they were created by the democrats.

The facts are, that liberals are for the people, and cons are for the rich. And the cons know they are on the wrong side of that issue, so they have to deceive the voters into believing that the GOP is helping the workers with "trickle down economics" which hasn't worked for over 35 years. It has just shifted the wealth to the corporations and the rich.

Please check out this sight and see which side is really being nasty, dishonest, and disrespectful to others. Yes, I'm sure you will see some liberals giving what they get, but on the whole they are pretty honest and sensible in their exposing of right wing dishonesty.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php

The thing about having a forum, is to let everyone be who they are. Regulating thought isn't a good idea.
 
hangover said:
Matrix....I think you might do good to check out this political forum....I think most members hear are quite sensible compared to the political forum....there are a few here that would love this right leaning sight, because it allows nastiness as long as it's not personal.....But really, when insults are made against the left or the right, it is personal to most on the insulted side.

I think that Reagan started disrespecting the liberals when he became POTUS. And the cons tried making "liberal" a dirty word. And the democrats tried to take the high road, which labeled them as wimps. Trump and his minions have taken disrespect to a whole new level, and now liberals are giving what they've been getting. And we are now seeing that cons and Trump are pretty thin skinned, because they are being proven to be on the wrong side of so many issues....so they have "alternative facts" and "fake news" as retorts. But there is no denying that they are being exposed, that's why they are in the minority.

There is no denying that the cons tried for eight years to disrespect and dismantle everything that the first black president tried to accomplish. And it branded the GOP as the obstructionists. Trump and the cons are still trying to dismantle healthcare, just because Obama accomplished it, even though it was originally a Romney idea. But it's also because it takes money from the rich and corporations, which is the love of republicans. Republicans have been trying to destroy Social Security and welfare and equal rights and unions since they were created by the democrats.

The facts are, that liberals are for the people, and cons are for the rich. And the cons know they are on the wrong side of that issue, so they have to deceive the voters into believing that the GOP is helping the workers with "trickle down economics" which hasn't worked for over 35 years. It has just shifted the wealth to the corporations and the rich.

Please check out this sight and see which side is really being nasty, dishonest, and disrespectful to others. Yes, I'm sure you will see some liberals giving what they get, but on the whole they are pretty honest and sensible in their exposing of right wing dishonesty.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php

The thing about having a forum, is to let everyone be who they are. Regulating thought isn't a good idea.
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Well said.
 
I misunderstood this thread. I thought it was a question about the nation, not the forum. But I know that both the left and the right are too enslaved to their parties to be able to give them up. It's like trying to turn a Baptist into a Catholic, or a Muslim from a Shiite into a Sunni.
 
“The thing about having a forum, is to let everyone be who they are. Regulating thought isn't a good idea.”

Actually, moderating a forum is totally different from regulating thought, which inspires thoughts of martial law and government control of free speech.
A forum is a privately owned place, belonging to the administrator, just like our homes belong to us. We each have the right to make the decisions about what is or isn’t allowed in our own homes, and the same is true of a forum.
If someone is in my house and screaming about something, it is perfectly in my rights to make them leave my home. I am not stopping them from screaming about whatever it is, I am simply saying that this is not permissible in my house.

Having an abusive post moderated or deleted altogether is a quite reasonable thing to do , and is sometimes necessary for the benefit of the forum as a whole.
Having one’s post deleted is a whole lot better than being summarily banned from the forum, and gives a person a chance to rectify their behavior.




 
hangover said:
Matrix....I think you might do good to check out this political forum....I think most members hear are quite sensible compared to the political forum....there are a few here that would love this right leaning sight, because it allows nastiness as long as it's not personal.....But really, when insults are made against the left or the right, it is personal to most on the insulted side.

I think that Reagan started disrespecting the liberals when he became POTUS. And the cons tried making "liberal" a dirty word. And the democrats tried to take the high road, which labeled them as wimps. Trump and his minions have taken disrespect to a whole new level, and now liberals are giving what they've been getting. And we are now seeing that cons and Trump are pretty thin skinned, because they are being proven to be on the wrong side of so many issues....so they have "alternative facts" and "fake news" as retorts. But there is no denying that they are being exposed, that's why they are in the minority.

There is no denying that the cons tried for eight years to disrespect and dismantle everything that the first black president tried to accomplish. And it branded the GOP as the obstructionists. Trump and the cons are still trying to dismantle healthcare, just because Obama accomplished it, even though it was originally a Romney idea. But it's also because it takes money from the rich and corporations, which is the love of republicans. Republicans have been trying to destroy Social Security and welfare and equal rights and unions since they were created by the democrats.

The facts are, that liberals are for the people, and cons are for the rich. And the cons know they are on the wrong side of that issue, so they have to deceive the voters into believing that the GOP is helping the workers with "trickle down economics" which hasn't worked for over 35 years. It has just shifted the wealth to the corporations and the rich.

Please check out this sight and see which side is really being nasty, dishonest, and disrespectful to others. Yes, I'm sure you will see some liberals giving what they get, but on the whole they are pretty honest and sensible in their exposing of right wing dishonesty.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php

The thing about having a forum, is to let everyone be who they are. Regulating thought isn't a good idea.
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Correct!!.....everything you said applies.
 
Happyflowerlady said:
“The thing about having a forum, is to let everyone be who they are. Regulating thought isn't a good idea.”

Actually, moderating a forum is totally different from regulating thought, which inspires thoughts of martial law and government control of free speech.
A forum is a privately owned place, belonging to the administrator, just like our homes belong to us. We each have the right to make the decisions about what is or isn’t allowed in our own homes, and the same is true of a forum.
If someone is in my house and screaming about something, it is perfectly in my rights to make them leave my home. I am not stopping them from screaming about whatever it is, I am simply saying that this is not permissible in my house.

Having an abusive post moderated or deleted altogether is a quite reasonable thing to do , and is sometimes necessary for the benefit of the forum as a whole.
Having one’s post deleted is a whole lot better than being summarily banned from the forum, and gives a person a chance to rectify their behavior.
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Moderating is one thing, but banning a whole issue because of one or two Holier than thou's is like trying to make something go away that must be dealt with in this society. Bigotry, pollution, greed, hate, religious beliefs and ideologies have to be resolved if America is to survive. It should have been dealt with after the Civil War, instead of allowing them to go free. The perpetrators of prejudice, slavery and hate must be exposed and made examples of. In Germany, the Nazi ideology is illegal. And many of the leaders were hanged. Being tolerated here emboldens those who are the bullies that cause so much suffering. As a result we get incidents like Charlottesville Virginia that continue to kill the innocent. We must raise the level of consciousness, even if the ignorant are kicking and screaming.
 
hangover said:
Moderating is one thing, but banning a whole issue because of one or two Holier than thou's is like trying to make something go away that must be dealt with in this society. Bigotry, pollution, greed, hate, religious beliefs and ideologies have to be resolved if America is to survive. It should have been dealt with after the Civil War, instead of allowing them to go free. The perpetrators of prejudice, slavery and hate must be exposed and made examples of. In Germany, the Nazi ideology is illegal. And many of the leaders were hanged. Being tolerated here emboldens those who are the bullies that cause so much suffering. As a result we get incidents like Charlottesville Virginia that continue to kill the innocent. We must raise the level of consciousness, even if the ignorant are kicking and screaming.
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We are not talking about changing the world here, Hangover. This thread is about having a poll on whether we think that Matrix should continue to include politics in his forum, or whether it would be a friendlier forum if politics were not one of the subjects in the forum.

This thread is in the general discussion area of the forum, and political rants are actually not even supposed to be in the forum anywhere except in the political part of the forum.
If you want to discuss political injustice in America (or the world in general) then you should start a thread in the political area of the forum instead of posting your opinions here in the poll thread.
 
hangover said:
Moderating is one thing, but banning a whole issue because of one or two Holier than thou's is like trying to make something go away that must be dealt with in this society. Bigotry, pollution, greed, hate, religious beliefs and ideologies have to be resolved if America is to survive. It should have been dealt with after the Civil War, instead of allowing them to go free. The perpetrators of prejudice, slavery and hate must be exposed and made examples of. In Germany, the Nazi ideology is illegal. And many of the leaders were hanged. Being tolerated here emboldens those who are the bullies that cause so much suffering. As a result we get incidents like Charlottesville Virginia that continue to kill the innocent. We must raise the level of consciousness, even if the ignorant are kicking and screaming.
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In essence, you are saying you want a forum where you can tell "them" they are wrong (never mind that you are insinuating that it's a matter of life and death), and the moderator is saying that is part of the problem.
 
Happyflowerlady said:
“The thing about having a forum, is to let everyone be who they are. Regulating thought isn't a good idea.”

Actually, moderating a forum is totally different from regulating thought, which inspires thoughts of martial law and government control of free speech.
A forum is a privately owned place, belonging to the administrator, just like our homes belong to us. We each have the right to make the decisions about what is or isn’t allowed in our own homes, and the same is true of a forum.
If someone is in my house and screaming about something, it is perfectly in my rights to make them leave my home. I am not stopping them from screaming about whatever it is, I am simply saying that this is not permissible in my house.

Having an abusive post moderated or deleted altogether is a quite reasonable thing to do , and is sometimes necessary for the benefit of the forum as a whole.
Having one’s post deleted is a whole lot better than being summarily banned from the forum, and gives a person a chance to rectify their behavior.
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But that takes moderating and that's what they are trying to avoid. Making decisions without offending anyone.
 
I can deal with the pressure of potentially being the deciding vote.

I'm going to go ahead and tie it up at 34 each by voting with the keepers.

Someone else will have to be the tie breaker.
 
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