Shoplifters just don't even care anymore

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And, apparently, neither do the shops where they go shoplifting.

Each video is only about 3 1/2 minutes long, or as long as it takes for half a dozen punks to steal everything in the store.



Would you intervene?

One solution to this problem is for tens-of-thousands of major department stores and electronics stores to close their brick-n-mortars and switch to phone and online orders and deliveries. Another option is a huge increase in on-site security...armed security.
 

A couple of years ago at a very upscale mall here in Orlando, the shoplifting was getting so bad that most of the smaller stores either had their doors locked and you either had to knock or ring to get in or there were guards at the door and only one or two people were allowed in at a time.

I witnessed a shoplifting at a T.J. Maxx during that time period. A group of young women came in, grabbed expensive purses off a display that was *right in front of the door*, sashayed out and jumped in the side door of a van that was parked in front of the store. I was in the store about a week later, and they still had the display of purses right in front of the door. Wouldn't you think *somebody* at the store would realize that it's not a good idea to have easily-grabbed items *right inside the door*? At least make them work a little harder to get the swag, doncha think???

They don't even run out of the stores anymore....they just sashay out because they know the police aren't coming anytime soon and if they do get caught, they'll just get a slap on the wrist.
 
Murrmurr said:
And, apparently, neither do the shops where they go shoplifting.

Each video is only about 3 1/2 minutes long, or as long as it takes for half a dozen punks to steal everything in the store.



Would you intervene?

One solution to this problem is for tens-of-thousands of major department stores and electronics stores to close their brick-n-mortars and switch to phone and online orders and deliveries. Another option is a huge increase in on-site security...armed security.
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In just about every state, using deadly force against a thief will result in a prison term. I think most thieves know that.
And intervening wouldn't be wise. You would be outnumbered. And if any of the thieves were armed, you would be even worse off.
If I saw someone stealing my car, I wouldn't intervene; I'd let them have it. Then I'd go to my Honda dealer & get another one.
Why would I risk my life when I'm paying for car insurance that would pay me the current value? That is what insurance is for.
Retail stores also carry insurance that would replace stolen items.
 
win231 said:
In just about every state, using deadly force against a thief will result in a prison term. I think most thieves know that.
And intervening wouldn't be wise. You would be outnumbered. And if any of the thieves were armed, you would be even worse off.
If I saw someone stealing my car, I wouldn't intervene; I'd let them have it. Then I'd go to my Honda dealer & get another one.
Why would I risk my life when I'm paying for car insurance that would pay me the current value? That is what insurance is for.
Retail stores also carry insurance that would replace stolen items.
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Yep, intervening is dangerous. And it wouldn't matter anyway; while you could possibly be charged with assault or something, the thief might only get a slap on the wrist.
 
jujube said:
A couple of years ago at a very upscale mall here in Orlando, the shoplifting was getting so bad that most of the smaller stores either had their doors locked and you either had to knock or ring to get in or there were guards at the door and only one or two people were allowed in at a time.

I witnessed a shoplifting at a T.J. Maxx during that time period. A group of young women came in, grabbed expensive purses off a display that was *right in front of the door*, sashayed out and jumped in the side door of a van that was parked in front of the store. I was in the store about a week later, and they still had the display of purses right in front of the door. Wouldn't you think *somebody* at the store would realize that it's not a good idea to have easily-grabbed items *right inside the door*? At least make them work a little harder to get the swag, doncha think???

They don't even run out of the stores anymore....they just sashay out because they know the police aren't coming anytime soon and if they do get caught, they'll just get a slap on the wrist.
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This is why I mentioned on another thread that major chain stores like Walmart and TJ Maxx don't worry about profits, they focus on board members and investors. Once they start selling stocks, shoplifters are a minor concern.
 
WhatInThe said:
Like the gas station in Philadelphia

https://nypost.com/2022/12/07/philadelphia-gas-station-hires-ar-15-toting-guards-as-crime-spikes/
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Man, that's too bad. Philadelphia was once a beautiful city but it started declining in the late 70s, got downright gritty in the 90s and just keeps getting worse.

I think Philly is where city officials started selling old, run down historical buildings for super cheap about 10 years ago, and people were snapping them up and turning them into cute little shops, lovely homes, and one became a family clinic.

Pretty sure that was in Philadelphia.
 
Murrmurr said:
Man, that's too bad. Philadelphia was once a beautiful city but it started declining in the late 70s, got downright gritty in the 90s and just keeps getting worse.

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I think many American cities started a rapid decline after crack came on the scene by the mid 1980s. The drug was cheap and available to people who couldn't buy cocaine and turned a lot of people into amateur drug dealers thus the fight/killings for territory and profit.

The combination of continuous violent and property crime just takes too much away in resources and people to fight crime or even want to stay. In the meantime large chunks of neighborhoods have family in the drug culture but are out of the picture of raising their children. The cycle repeats. Throw in tech/social media the scale of crime increases.

The big problem now is are these flash mob robberies or mass shopliftings other wise known as looting or ransacking a business. The criminals have no compunction or are outlandishly brazen-no fear or conscience. Alot of these flash mobs have adults participating right along with the teenagers.

The final blows for the gas station owner was an atm theft-they took the whole machine and ransacked his store one time too many.
 
Tish said:
Oh my word, in that kind of situation I think I would hit the fire alarm.

Thank God we have security guards in malls over here.
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That's a good idea. But do department stores even have fire alarms? Fire extinguishers are required, but I've never seen a fire alarm in a department store. If they do have them, I bet they're somewhere in the back, where no one can see what's going on out front.

Our mall has 2 security guards and 34 shops and stores.
 
I don't know what's happening, but America is collapsing. :( Open borders, insane homelessness, and abandoned cities. Something bad is happening and it's happening all over America. What has happened to this country? :oops:

This place a few years ago was a busy city full of people now it's a ghost town.


This is sad.
https://youtu.be/oCx9zIsUFXI


Detroit used to be full of homes now it's just trees and grass. 😮


West Virginia


Los Angeles


Philadelphia, drug addicts shooting up on the street.


Oakland California


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWV_aoJg8nY

Then all of the mass shootings and gun violence. Lord help us! :oops:
 
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WhatInThe said:
The big problem now is are these flash mob robberies or mass shopliftings other wise known as looting or ransacking a business. The criminals have no compunction or are outlandishly brazen-no fear or conscience. Alot of these flash mobs have adults participating right along with the teenagers.
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That's exactly what's shown in those 3 1/2 minute videos.

One of them shows customers standing right there recording the whole thing on their phones, but the thieves don't even skip a beat.
 
Did you ever watch the show "Abandon" on the Vice Channel? It shows malls and other buildings, towns that have been abandoned for years.
 
Murrmurr said:
Man, that's too bad. Philadelphia was once a beautiful city but it started declining in the late 70s, got downright gritty in the 90s and just keeps getting worse.

I think Philly is where city officials started selling old, run down historical buildings for super cheap about 10 years ago, and people were snapping them up and turning them into cute little shops, lovely homes, and one became a family clinic.

Pretty sure that was in Philadelphia.
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I don’t know about Philly, but parts of Detroit were on sale at very low prices and still, very few takers.
 
Victoria said:
I don't know what's happening, but America is collapsing. :( Open borders, insane homelessness, and abandoned cities. Something bad is happening and it's happening all over America. What has happened to this country? :oops:

This place a few years ago was a busy city full of people now it's a ghost town.


This is sad.
https://youtu.be/oCx9zIsUFXI


Detroit used to be full of homes now it's just trees and grass. 😮


West Virginia


Los Angeles


Philadelphia, drug addicts shooting up on the street.


Oakland California


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWV_aoJg8nY

Then all of the mass shootings and gun violence. Lord help us! :oops:
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What's happened is the normalization of the abnormal. Drugs, shoplifting, gang violence, the border -- we accept things that we never would have accepted 60 years ago.
 
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