Should we license cops?

Your doctor has a license. Your nurse has a license. Your pharmacist has license. Your plumber has a license. Your has stylist has a license. So, should the occupation of law enforcement be licensed also?
 

I think being a cop is a complicated job. There's the law, and jackass idiots, drunks, vicious criminals, armed psychotics, terrorists, etc. I just don't think on-the-job training is sufficient. We need a baseline for law enforcement technology by way of a standardized licensing procedure.
 
Not exactly the same & not all states certify police officers.

Law Enforcement Officer Certification Database.

Maybe a unform set of mental & physical standards for all states would be worthwhile. The old cops eating donuts has a basis in reality.

In another study conducted by the American Journal of Preventive Medicine concluded that 40.7% of police, firefighters, and security guards are obese. In the end, the percentages are higher than the rest of the country.May 19, 2024

The Big Fat Problem in Law Enforcement • The Havok Journal.
 
Your doctor has a license. Your nurse has a license. Your pharmacist has license. Your plumber has a license. Your has stylist has a license. So, should the occupation of law enforcement be licensed also?
No! They have a badge and a uniform. That identifies them. A license would be useless. There would still be a few bad ones anyway.
 
If we are adding licensing to careers, I vote we license managers. Anyone who gets put in charge of managing other people should have to take some training to not be a complete idiot and weed out the ones with weird problems.
 
If we are adding licensing to careers, I vote we license managers. Anyone who gets put in charge of managing other people should have to take some training to not be a complete idiot and weed out the ones with weird problems.
Before I went into management (not my idea, but my boss's boss pushed it) there was a lot of study, written tests in essay form, and an oral exam before a board of managers from other departments.

Five years later this became a simple "multiple guess" written test comprised of a selection from a fixed questions list. The old process was deemed discriminatory and was said to ask too much of candidates. There was just too high a washout rate to meet HR's "diversity goals."
 
I think being a cop is a complicated job. There's the law, and jackass idiots, drunks, vicious criminals, armed psychotics, terrorists, etc. I just don't think on-the-job training is sufficient. We need a baseline for law enforcement technology by way of a standardized licensing procedure.
Speaking ONLY about Canada. Our national Federal Police service is the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. The RCMP has national jurisdiction in ALL parts of Canada. Every RCMP constable graduates from the RCMP training Depot in Regina, Saskatchewan, after completing the 26 week training program. Once they graduate, each constable is assigned to either Federal or Provincial duties some place within Canada. Their first assignment is usually for 3 years in one location. So, all RCMP officers take the same training course at Regina, and they all get the same in service annual up grade training, right across the country.

Municipal and Provincial Police also attend Police Colleges, and their training is also a very similar 26 week course, and they also must attend annual training to up grade their skills.

Canada has ONE national Criminal Code, which applies in every part of Canada. Each of the ten Provinces, and three Territories ALSO have Provincial or Territorial Offences Acts, such as the Ontario Highway Traffic Act, or the Manitoba Mental Health Act, which only apply in that location.

Each Canadian Province or Territory has an independent Police Investigation Service, whose job is to investigate instances where a person is injured or dies, while interacting with Canadian Police. Those Investigations are NOT conducted by Police. The investigators are employed by the Province or Territorial Government, and they report directly to the Attorney General of the Province or Territory.

The SIU is given 90- days from the date of an incident, to report to the Attorney General's office, with a determination of the culpability of any Police officers that were involved in the incident. The SIU can and does charge Police officers with offences under the Canadian Criminal Code, and or under Provincial Offense Acts. Police officers in Canada are subject to public scrutiny and prosecution, just like any other person is.

So to answer the original question. Are Canadian Police held responsible for their actions ? Yes, very much so. In fact. they are subject to 2 different sets of discipline. First they are held accountable under the Criminal Code of Canada, and they are ALSO subject to the Provincial or Territorial Police Services Act regulations.

Source ? I was an Auxiliary Police Constable with the Toronto Police Service for ten years. from 1978 to 1988. Auxiliary Constables are not normally armed on duty, but they do go through the same training as the armed Constables, it just takes longer because the course is held 2 nights a week over the course of a year. Further, I was licensed as a Private Investigator in the Province of Ontario for over 20 years. I had to know the Canadian Criminal Code and the Provincial Offenses Acts, in order to conduct investigations on behalf of my clients. JIM.
 
No! They have a badge and a uniform. That identifies them. A license would be useless. There would still be a few bad ones anyway.
Speaking to your last sentence, what we do need is a national Registry of those fired for too many excessive force incidents. It is ridiculous that a repeat offender with a badge can move to another jurisdiction and be given access/opportunities to treat citizens badly, sometimes with lethal force not just once but repeatedly. Some of those 'bad ones' destroy lives on 3-6 different PDs before they are stopped, usually when they have killed someone.
 
If we are adding licensing to careers, I vote we license managers. Anyone who gets put in charge of managing other people should have to take some training to not be a complete idiot and weed out the ones with weird problems.
As a former HR person i can relate. However, the process would have to different for different kinds employment settings, varying with amount of paperwork, physical work and customer interaction handled by those being managed or supervised.

Smart companies make the time to review not just quality of individual's work, but all the processes involved to do the work.
 
In many instances, we get what we pay for.

I think that we need to change our priorities and be willing to pay professional rates for professionally trained first responders of all sorts.

In this area various agencies are recruiting and they only stress a minimum age and a high school diploma.

Maybe some sort of federal or state level police academy/course of study that would provide a degree along with required recertification and additional training throughout an officer’s career.
 
Certification and licensing requirements for state law enforcement officers varies from state to state. All police officers are required to take training classes every year, but the training also varies. It's based on the type of crimes that are prevalent in each state. Same for the ongoing training for county law enforcement and federal law enforcement. Same for the FBI.

@feywon - There is a data-base record of police who have been fired for use of excessive force, plus officers who have been charged and/or suspended and/or investigated, but not fired. I'm pretty sure it's called Nationwide Police Misconduct umm...Data Base?...and it's available to the public.
 
Yes. Let’s pile on more bureaucratic rules until the police shortage doubles at least.

Adding more rules and regulations may satisfy a politician’s need to show he or she is doing something about a problem, but, like spending more money, often does little to improve the situation. I think most states and cities already have good screening methods to eliminate poor candidates. And the training is not easy, which eliminates the unmotivated.

As a former teacher I spent many thousands of dollars and hours of my personal time taking classes so as I could get and renew my certification. Other than enriching the schools that taught the courses, they did little good. Basically, they allowed state politicians to show they were doing something to “improve the schools”.
 
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Aunt Bea mentioned salary ....... Well she's correct, particularly if we are going to expect / require these officers to get between a shooter and anyone.

Think about it, [you/yourself] apply for a job that demands you take a bullet for, say kids. We damn well better be ready to pay them well. Most all of us like kids [I do] but to up the odds of getting shot, and perhaps dying , for a strangers kid, leaving their own kids fatherless !

Granted most cops never even pull their weapon except for qualifying etc. But they are there if needed , and after the Texas school incident society expects them to rush the shooter , shooting a semi-automatic rifle ...... Would you do it ?? For how much of a salary ??
 
There is a data-base record of police who have been fired for use of excessive force, plus officers who have been charged and/or suspended and/or investigated, but not fired. I'm pretty sure it's called Nationwide Police Misconduct umm...Data Base?...and it's available to the public.
Do you think the police forces that fired them list all their bad behaviour. There’s always a fear of being sued for some detail the person can fight.
 
Certification and licensing requirements for state law enforcement officers varies from state to state. All police officers are required to take training classes every year, but the training also varies. It's based on the type of crimes that are prevalent in each state. Same for the ongoing training for county law enforcement and federal law enforcement. Same for the FBI.

@feywon - There is a data-base record of police who have been fired for use of excessive force, plus officers who have been charged and/or suspended and/or investigated, but not fired. I'm pretty sure it's called Nationwide Police Misconduct umm...Data Base?...and it's available to the public.
Well that suggests to me that many police depts do not check that list or maybe do not care, hire them anyway and only hold them accountable when local administrators get worried about lawsuits.
 
Well that suggests to me that many police depts do not check that list or maybe do not care, hire them anyway and only hold them accountable when local administrators get worried about lawsuits.
I know of an instance where a police officer assaulted his wife or girlfriend, and it turned out he had prior domestic violence charges while working as a police officer in another state. The police department that hired him never checked that data base, and the department's captain was reprimanded and demoted.

That was laziness, imo. That captain just didn't bother.
 
I think being a cop is a complicated job.
Not just complicated, downright dangerous.
“In 2022, 118 officers died in the line of duty, according to the FBI’s Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted database. Sixty of those officers were killed feloniously, primarily by firearms.”
How many police officers die in the line of duty in the US?

When one of those 118 police officers died, how much hand wringing and demands for justice followed them to the grave?

I had two police officers in the family. Only one ever shot anyone. An A-hole was holding a knife to a woman‘s throat and refused to release her. My brother-in-law shot him in the leg. Very effective and the woman was not harmed.
 
Maybe the focus is on the consequences of losing a license. That would achieve weeding out bad players.

Hm, one would hope sufficient background checks are already done to achieve that?

But... yeah, I guess that would be an outcome.
 
I lived in several states where most departments required about 2,000 class hours of training, had physical and mental exams, background checks etc. Many police and departments buy insurances in case sued.

No matter the standard or system some bad apples will always get by or won't account for their supervision or on the job training and experiences
 


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