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feywon said:
It's ok over the years i've read so much pro and con i was just curious what more balanced view would look like. Thanks for trying.
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Finally, here you go. Beginning on Kindle page 1670 of The Matter With Things by Iain McGilchrist:

People who are judged clinically dead and are resuscitated or revived after a brief interval with memories of what they have experienced, according to Bruce Greyson, who has studied the phenomenon,

“..typically report exceptional mental clarity, vivid sensory imagery, a clear memory of their experience, and an experience more real than their everyday life; all of this occurring under conditions of drastically altered brain function under which the materialist model would say that consciousness is impossible … There’s a sense of the person’s thoughts being much faster and clearer than usual, and finally there was a life review or panoramic memory where their entire life seems to flash before them …. Typically emotions reported during the NDE [near death experience] include an overwhelming sense of peace and well-being, a sense of cosmic unity or being one with everything, a feeling of complete joy and a sense of being loved unconditionally…”

And he continues:

“One of the things about NDE that interests me as a psychiatrist are the profound after-effects that people report, a consistent change in values that don’t fade over time. Near death experiencers report overwhelmingly that they’re ‘more spiritual’ after the experience, they have more compassion for others, and a greater desire to help others, a greater appreciation for life, and a stronger sense of meaning or purpose in life … An analysis of their medical records shows that mental functioning is significantly better in those people who come closest to death. Many NDErs experience a panoramic life review, not just visual images, but elaborate events, sometimes the entirety of that person’s life.”

Such experiences are reported iin many cultures, and have been commented on since at least the fifteenth century. In a British study, involving a five year retrospective and a one-year prospective study, the majority (70%) of caregivers had witnessed ‘end-of-life experiences’ in their patients before death; and the number may be greater, since previous unawareness of the phenomenon in staff and relatives alike may lead to under-reporting. These experiences differ from drug-induced hallucinations, and delirious states, and occur in clear consciousness.
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Somewhere he goes on to say while he thinks this is a rich field for research, he cannot himself take this on too. He admits he himself has not experienced it but he remains fairly agnostic, neither writing them off nor extolling them.

Also my friend here @Stoppelmann worked in end of life care and may (or not) care to add something from his experience.
 
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MarkD said:
Finally, here you go. Beginning on Kindle page 1670 of The Matter With Things by Iain McGilchrist:



Somewhere he goes on to say while he thinks this is a rich field for research, he cannot himself take this on too. He admits he himself has not experienced it but he remains fairly agnostic, neither writing them off nor extolling them.

Also my friend here @Stoppelmann worked in end of life care and may (or not) care to add something from his experience.
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Thank you, tho there was no info for me. I've read extensively about this as well as other so-called paranormal experiences, since my early teens.

Not only can NDE experiencers undergo profound changes in their general attitudes and perspective, behaviors can change as well. Family and friends often notice these even if the person has not talked about the experience, they notice differences in what upsets and what engages the person, what makes them cry and what brings out a laughs.
 
feywon said:
Thank you, tho there was no info for me. I've read extensively about this as well as other so-called paranormal experiences, since my early teens.

Not only can NDE experiencers undergo profound changes in their general attitudes and perspective, behaviors can change as well. Family and friends often notice these even if the person has not talked about the experience, they notice differences in what upsets and what engages the person, what makes them cry and what brings out a laughs.
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I believe it. My outlook changed dramatically and permanently for the better during the non NDE experience. Something about resetting all your assumptions seems to do a body good.
 
Not sure this qualifies as NDE because I felt I was getting better at the time. I was hospitalized for emergency surgery when I was 40. I spent three weeks there mostly with tubes.

One night I had a vision of floating near the door of the room and looking down at myself in the bed. Odd thing is that it was in the room 2 doors down.

Two months later I returned for another surgery and they put me in that other room 2 doors down. It was a short stay and I recovered in due time.
 
Alizerine said:
Not sure this qualifies as NDE because I felt I was getting better at the time. I was hospitalized for emergency surgery when I was 40. I spent three weeks there mostly with tubes.

One night I had a vision of floating near the door of the room and looking down at myself in the bed. Odd thing is that it was in the room 2 doors down.

Two months later I returned for another surgery and they put me in that other room 2 doors down. It was a short stay and I recovered in due time.
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Sure sounds like it was one from what little I've read.
 
Alizerine said:
Not sure this qualifies as NDE because I felt I was getting better at the time. I was hospitalized for emergency surgery when I was 40. I spent three weeks there mostly with tubes.

One night I had a vision of floating near the door of the room and looking down at myself in the bed. Odd thing is that it was in the room 2 doors down.

Two months later I returned for another surgery and they put me in that other room 2 doors down. It was a short stay and I recovered in due time.
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This kind of experience can be an SAT, Spontaneous Astral Travel experience. This often happens during illness because the bond between body and consciousness is weakened, freeing the essence if who we are.

It is unsettling for many people because it is their first experience that suggests or confirms for them that consciousness or 'soul' inhabits one's body but has an existence independent of the body. My first SAT i remember combined with other so called paranormal experiences like precognitive dreams, at age 13 is what set me on my quest to understand human spirituality.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
This is the first I've heard about them D. @feywon Have you ever heard or read about them?
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No, but have read/heard theories that poltergeists are actually either created or summoned by human emotional disturbances and that if only one person in a house is the target or most frequent target of the poltergeist it is their psychological issues that 'fuel' the attacks. (An extreme form of self hatred?)
 
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Couple of thoughts on this:

First just the joking 'mopping an unpleasant enough chore when you have the physical body to easily do it, why would anyone disembodied want to?' Tho one of our spirits silently observed me me closely whenever cooked or baked from scratch, the way a person from another culture or era might to look for similarities and differences.

Secondly, electrical things like lights, radios and other devices (eagerly awaiting first paranormal stories involving handheld, wifi enabled devices) take less energy, focus than moving or manifesting objects (the latter are apports).

I sometimes wonder if mysteriously missing then returned items that some (including DD and myself half jokingly) attribute to fairies are friendly spirits playing with us.
 
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feywon said:
Couple of thoughts on this:

First just the joking 'mopping an unpleasant enough chore when you have the physical body to easily do it, why would anyone disembodied want to?' Tho one of our spirits silently observed me me closely whenever cooked or baked from scratch, the way a person from another culture or era might to look for similarities and differences.

Secondly, electrical things like lights, radios and other devices (eagerly awaiting first paranormal stories involving handheld, wifi enabled devices) take less energy, focus than moving or manifesting objects (the latter are apports).

I sometimes wonder if mysteriously missing then returned items that some (including DD and myself half jokingly) attribute to fairies are friendly spirits playing with us.
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"I sometimes wonder if mysteriously missing then returned items that some (including DD and myself half jokingly) attribute to fairies are friendly spirits playing with us."
We stay it's the trolls. 😅
 
For awhile we had a "plumbing ghost". I kept hearing a moaning noise when I went downstairs. When I ran upstairs to bring the hubby to hear it, there was no noise. By now, he was thinking I was ready for the Loony Bin 🤪
I kept taking him downstairs when I heard it and he finally witnessed with his own ears the eery sounds. Happened to mention to the nephew, whose crew had recently done plumbing work downstairs about it and he said "Oh that's air in the pipes" We had a good laugh over that and quite relieved!
I don't discount that things happen that are otherworldly however.
 
I have a good friend who owns a house in another town. I haven't been able to visit her that often so haven't witnessed this in person. She has been telling me for years about a spirit they call Top Hat. Her young son was afraid to go down to the basement. He kept telling her there was a ghost down there. She finally saw Top Hat in the basement herself. Once her son, then a teenager, came home late one night, entered through the backyard and told his mother he saw Top Hat in the bushes and he was glowing a greenish color.

At one time, she was going to let a friend live in her basement because she really needed the rent money. He was helping to get the basement ready for occupation when he came up and told her he'd seen a ghost. Yep, you guessed it. The ghost was wearing a top hat. The guy got spooked (pardon the pun). 👻

One day my friend and I were on the phone while she was in her driveway. We were having quite a chat when all of a sudden she said "Oh sh*t!" I could hear the fear in her voice and asked what's the matter. I thought she saw a creature or something. She said she saw Top Hat going into her house. The way her driveway is in relation to the steps leading up to her front door makes it impossible for someone to pass her without almost rubbing up against her.

I said to her...Top Hat has been around for a long time, he's never tried to hurt you or your son. Go on in the house and say Que pasa amigo...what's up? She's not Hispanic, but I wanted to make her laugh because she was audibly shaken. I don't think her house is that old that a ghost from a century ago would take up residence there. Maybe he died with his formal clothes on. 🤔 This reminds me...next time we talk, I'm going to ask her if she's seen the old boy lately.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
"I sometimes wonder if mysteriously missing then returned items that some (including DD and myself half jokingly) attribute to fairies are friendly spirits playing with us."
We stay it's the trolls. 😅
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The reason i said 'half jokingly' is because invariably if one of us says "Not funny fairies. I need ______.". Within moments we find it some very visible place we'd already looked. And since my surgeries in 2014 it can no longer be attributed to my eye issues.
 
feywon said:
The reason i said 'half jokingly' is because invariably if one of us says "Not funny fairies. I need ______.". Within moments we find it some very visible place we'd already looked. And since my surgeries in 2014 it can no longer be attributed to my eye issues.
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Interesting. There is so much preselection going on in what we choose to attend to that the faeries or trolls could as easily work their mischief inside or outside of us. Makes them no more or less real.
 
MarkD said:
I've always dismissed out of hand NDEs but that really long book I finally finished reading convinced me that where something doesn't fit my own take it is better to simply admit I don't know and if anything comes up to convince me, there'll be less back tracking to do. There was actually a section on NDE's which wasn't an argument in favor or against but basically making the case that there was some reason to consider at least. I could extract an excerpt off my Kindle if you'd be interested.
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"where something doesn't fit my own take it is better to simply admit I don't know and if anything comes uo to convince me, there'l be less back tracking to do." Well put, and exactly my attitude.

True, I was curious about things at age 19 yet had some pretty firm views I haven't been able to hold for many years now.
 
It was one sunny day and I was outside n the yard meaning to do something. I forget what now.

Anyway the neighbor house on my left is owned by an older couple who have lived there for decades. They have a few clotheslines in the carport and the wife was hanging up some laundry. I watched her from my yard for a few minutes. She had been by herself and then there seemed to be another person joining her and helping with hanging up clothes.

I was wondering who that might be because it appeared to be covered by a shadow in the shape of an ordinary human being. Or maybe a dark person wearing dark clothes from head to toe? I had lost sight of my neighbor. She had help so that was nice. But who the heck was that??? I thought no more of it and went back into my house.

Later early that evening there was the sound of an ambulance arriving and it was arriving at my neighbor's. They carried a woman to the ambulance and as they drove away I could see through a window that they were giving the woman CPR. The husband was outside upset and in a fog. One of the police officers asked if one of us next door could give the husband a ride to the hospital. Of course, and we did. Sadly, she had already died. She had a short time before celebrated her 91st birthday and her son who lived on the mainland was visiting for a week. He and his mother (the woman) spent time on a golf course that day.
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We found out from the husband the sequence of events before he called the ambulance. The wife decided to go for a walk. Her husband decided to stay home to watch television, After a while he noticed that she had been gone a bit too long and went outside to check on her. When he opened the door that led to the carport he found his wife laying in front of the door on the ground of the carport. That's when he called the ambulance. She was carried into the ambulance and we could see through a window that she was given CPR. Sadly, she did pass away.

No one could say who that person covered in shadow was that helped her with the laundry. I have a guess but II'll keep it to myself because it sounds too far out.
 

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