Simply UNACCEPTABLE COVID rules: Patients DYING ALONE, Human rights Violation

if they can come up with a cuddle curtain i don't understand why they can't come up with some sort of separator that would allow them in the room and able to touch and talk to them without risking their health so much. or some sort of zoom arrangements or something.
 

@chic not trying to argue or anything but if people had been left to make their own choices do you honestly believe we'd be better off right now?

i think we'd have even more dead and more horrifying things happening within the hospitals had they not done something to get this thing slowed down. i have seen too many coworkers who have lost loved ones to this virus. i don't think it's fair to say that the masks go against human rights where a pandemic is concerned because it involves all of us. not just you. not just me...not just holly...not just win...all of us. all of our lives matter whether people wanna wear a mask or not.
 
MarciKS said:
@chic not trying to argue or anything but if people had been left to make their own choices do you honestly believe we'd be better off right now?

i think we'd have even more dead and more horrifying things happening within the hospitals had they not done something to get this thing slowed down. i have seen too many coworkers who have lost loved ones to this virus. i don't think it's fair to say that the masks go against human rights where a pandemic is concerned because it involves all of us. not just you. not just me...not just holly...not just win...all of us. all of our lives matter whether people wanna wear a mask or not..
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I didn't say a word about masks. Check it out.
 
win231 said:
Why not install those silly plexiglass panels they have in markets? Ya know, the ones with big holes in them so cashiers can hand you your change? :ROFLMAO:

And, since masks protect.......
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It's what I've been thinking all along... at the very least..as we do with babies in the Nicu

However there is no shortage of PPE now, and if a top doctor can admit that preventing a patient from having a relative with them as they leave this earth.. then he knows much more than we do that it's possible.. and not only possible..a Human violation when it's not permitted.

As he says.. if it were him with a dying relative or friend he would be demanding anything.. whether a Hazmat suit or even an astronaut suit...

if a cleaner is allowed in the room.. then there's a way to allow a relative or friend..
 
MarciKS said:
@chic not trying to argue or anything but if people had been left to make their own choices do you honestly believe we'd be better off right now?

i think we'd have even more dead and more horrifying things happening within the hospitals had they not done something to get this thing slowed down. i have seen too many coworkers who have lost loved ones to this virus. i don't think it's fair to say that the masks go against human rights where a pandemic is concerned because it involves all of us. not just you. not just me...not just holly...not just win...all of us. all of our lives matter whether people wanna wear a mask or not.
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Where did I say I was against the wearing of Masks ?
 
hollydolly said:
It's what I've been thinking all along... at the very least..as we do with babies in the Nicu

However there is no shortage of PPE now, and if a top doctor can admit that preventing a patient from having a relative with them as they leave this earth.. then he knows much more than we do that it's possible.. and not only possible..a Human violation when it's not permitted.

As he says.. if it were him with a dying relative or friend he would be demanding anything.. whether a Hazmat suit or even an astronaut suit...

if a cleaner is allowed in the room.. then there's a way to allow a relative or friend..
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My nephew's wife lost both parents to covid within 5 days just a few weeks ago. She and her brother were allowed to see her father before he passed. They did have to don full hazmat suits and were only allowed in one at at a time. Not sure why since they both had the suits on. He was on a vent so didn't even know they were there. Unfortunately her Mom died overnight and they weren't informed till the morning so they didn't get to see her.
 
hollydolly said:
It's what I've been thinking all along... at the very least..as we do with babies in the Nicu

However there is no shortage of PPE now, and if a top doctor can admit that preventing a patient from having a relative with them as they leave this earth.. then he knows much more than we do that it's possible.. and not only possible..a Human violation when it's not permitted.

As he says.. if it were him with a dying relative or friend he would be demanding anything.. whether a Hazmat suit or even an astronaut suit...

if a cleaner is allowed in the room.. then there's a way to allow a relative or friend..
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I agree. In the beginning it made sense because of the PPE shortages and a lack of understanding about how the virus is most often transmitted. Those circumstances - at least in most countries - are no longer true.

It appears that in some places PPE and other equipment shortages are a big problem. India springs to mind.
 
StarSong said:
I agree. In the beginning it made sense because of the PPE shortages and a lack of understanding about how the virus is most often transmitted. Those circumstances - at least in most countries - are no longer true.

It appears that in some places PPE and other equipment shortages are a big problem. India springs to mind.
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yes indeed, in India there's a big shortage although Britain and many western countries have shipped tons of it over to them now...
 
MarciKS said:
no what i said is that the pandemic wasn't about just her or me or you or win.
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Yes, it is about you and me and Holly and Win and many like us who were once individuals. The FREE world, ie. social democracies are made up of independent individuals and we matter. The need to be a free individual making free choices is why so much of what's going on to curb this pandemic is not working as well as it could have been.
 
chic said:
The need to be a free individual making free choices is why so much of what's going on to curb this pandemic is not working as well as it could have been.
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When living in a society individual freedom of choice is restricted for the safety and welfare of all. Traffic rules don't work as well as they could but they generally keep us safe on the road. Taxes are collected (against the desire of many) to pay for infrastructure and provide for the general good. Just two examples.

The pandemic is being curbed in the US because of vaccines and various restrictions. Those restrictions are being lifted as numbers decrease. Should virus numbers and ICU loads spike, restrictions will be put back in place.
 

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