Six-year-old in custody after shooting teacher

Sawfish said:
The story makes no real sense, as I read it. It's just a lot of posturing by all parties.

BTW, I don't read the mentioning of "praying" for this and that as any real indication of a religious background, merely an attempt to sound concerned.

It reads like a statement provided by an attorney.

What's plain enough is that the authorities don't know what the hell to do with this case. They seem to be afraid of looking bad. Not entirely sure why, just yet. It's clear that you can't throw the kid into jail, and it does seem like the parents are lying thru their collective teeth about the gun being secured. The simple fact that he brought it to school in a dischargeable condition indicates that it was NOT secured.

The local authorities act like they're waiting for the whole thing to go away.

Does anyone know what type of gun it was, and by this I mean revolver or semi-automatic?
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9-millimeter Taurus handgun, came from his home and that it had been legally purchased by his mother.
 

hollydolly said:
9-millimeter Taurus handgun, came from his home and that it had been legally purchased by his mother.
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Thanks.

OK, a semi-auto.

They are tough to load, very tough to fill the magazine, and sorta non-intuitive to insert the magazine in such a way that it clicks into place. Then you have to "rack" the slide to load it. The racking would not be easy for, what?...a six year old. Then you'd have to turn off the safety.

Being a Taurus, it *may* have a built-in locking mechanism. If so, they are not unlockable by any normal means, as I found out when I had misplaced the key for a while. It withstood any and all of my non-destructive strategies to by-pass the lock.

Now the way this is being handled and reported, it is as if no human agency was involved. The gun just up and unlocked itself, loaded itself, racked a round into the chamber, actively evaded any search (as claimed by the school), jumped into the kid's hand, flicked off the safety, and discharged of its own agency.

An object of pure evil, for sure. No humans involved at any stage.

In my opinion, shaving with Occam's Razor, the gun was laying around, in a drawer at most, with a magazine loaded or partly loaded, with a round already in the chamber, possibly with the safety off, the kid knew where it was, took it to show at sharing time, and fired the gun, probably without any real idea of how it operated, other than having observed it in operation.
 

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SeniorBen said:
The family of the boy released a statement...

“Our family has always been committed to responsible gun ownership and keeping firearms out of the reach of children. The firearm our son accessed was secured,” the family said.​
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“Our heart goes out to our son’s teacher and we pray for her healing in the aftermath of such an unimaginable tragedy..."​
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“Our son suffers from an acute disability and was under a care plan at the school that included his mother or father attending school with him and accompanying him to class every day."​
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“We continue to pray for his teacher’s full recovery, and for her loved ones who are undoubtedly upset and concerned. At the same time, we love our son and are asking that you please include him and our family in your prayers,” according to the statement.​

Religious zealots with a son with, I assume behavioral disabilities, shouldn't be allowed to keep firearms in their homes. They must know how the child was able to access the handgun but they're lying to protect themselves.

This was a tragedy just waiting to happen.
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Of course the parents are lying. I'm surprised their attorney couldn't come up with something better than "The firearm our son accessed was secured.”
 
win231 said:
Of course the parents are lying. I'm surprised their attorney couldn't come up with something better than "The firearm our son accessed was secured.”
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" “Our son suffers from an acute disability and was under a care plan at the school that included his mother or father attending school with him and accompanying him to class every day." "

Attend every day? Then where were they?
 
JaniceM said:
Then she should have had enough common sense to keep it locked up.
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Which is why they need to start charging the adult gun owners as if they pulled the trigger when kids do things like that. Part of being a gun owner, the most important part, is making sure the gun is secure from children. If you can't do that, you can't own a gun. The parent also needs to lose the right to legally own a gun for life now too.
Sawfish said:
Thanks.

OK, a semi-auto.

They are tough to load, very tough to fill the magazine, and sorta non-intuitive to insert the magazine in such a way that it clicks into place. Then you have to "rack" the slide to load it. The racking would not be easy for, what?...a six year old. Then you'd have to turn off the safety.

Being a Taurus, it *may* have a built-in locking mechanism. If so, they are not unlockable by any normal means, as I found out when I had misplaced the key for a while. It withstood any and all of my non-destructive strategies to by-pass the lock.

Now the way this is being handled and reported, it is as if no human agency was involved. The gun just up and unlocked itself, loaded itself, racked a round into the chamber, actively evaded any search (as claimed by the school), jumped into the kid's hand, flicked off the safety, and discharged of its own agency.

An object of pure evil, for sure. No humans involved at any stage.

In my opinion, shaving with Occam's Razor, the gun was laying around, in a drawer at most, with a magazine loaded or partly loaded, with a round already in the chamber, possibly with the safety off, the kid knew where it was, took it to show at sharing time, and fired the gun, probably without any real idea of how it operated, other than having observed it in operation.
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😯 That's a lot of work! I couldn't even do all of that!
Pepper said:
" “Our son suffers from an acute disability and was under a care plan at the school that included his mother or father attending school with him and accompanying him to class every day." "

Attend every day? Then where were they?
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I think whenever something like this happens, they just use the "our kid had a disability" excuse to try to keep themselves from getting in trouble. If he had a disability then they REALLY should not have owned a gun.
RadishRose said:
The family said the week of the shooting “was the first week when we were not in class with him. We will regret our absence on this day for the rest of our lives.”

https://apnews.com/article/education-virginia-newport-news-children-33ed30539f279405f696ad10d4ff46a1
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Yeah right. LOL. :rolleyes: He just happened to do that on the one day that they weren't there?
 
Victoria said:
Which is why they need to start charging the adult gun owners as if they pulled the trigger when kids do things like that. Part of being a gun owner, the most important part, is making sure the gun is secure from children. If you can't do that, you can't own a gun. The parent also needs to lose the right to legally own a gun for life now too.

😯 That's a lot of work! I couldn't even do all of that!

I think whenever something like this happens, they just use the "our kid had a disability" excuse to try to keep themselves from getting in trouble. If he had a disability then they REALLY should not have owned a gun.

Yeah right. LOL. :rolleyes: He just happened to do that on the one day that they weren't there?
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Yeah, who knows.
The article was interesting tho'....especially in that it stated because Virginia law requires disabled students be specially educated by the school... what were the parents doing there in the first place? The school should have been providing whatever the student needed.
 
RadishRose said:
Yeah, who knows.
The article was interesting tho'....especially in that it stated because Virginia law requires disabled students be specially educated by the school... what were the parents doing there in the first place? The school should have been providing whatever the student needed.
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Just seems like clearly crafted evasion.
 
Some guns operate in either single or double action mode, depending on if there is a round in the chamber. With no round in the chamber, the gun will still fire without racking the slide. The trigger will be harder to pull, but not so hard a six year old boy wouldn't be able to do it without too much trouble.
 
SeniorBen said:
Some guns operate in either single or double action mode, depending on if there is a round in the chamber. With no round in the chamber, the gun will still fire without racking the slide. The trigger will be harder to pull, but not so hard a six year old boy wouldn't be able to do it without too much trouble.
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The racking the slide I was referring to was to get the first round up out of the magazine and into the chamber; you will note that in the context of where I mention it, it is after inserting a loaded or partly loaded magazine.

The gun would then be in single action, and most people would de-cock for reasons of additional safety.

When you say:

"With no round in the chamber, the gun will still fire without racking the slide."

That's not possible, if you think about it. The chamber must have a round in it to fire; it's why it's called "the firing chamber". What you meant to say, probably, is that with a round in the chamber you do not need to rack the slide.
 
Sawfish said:
The racking the slide I was referring to was to get the first round up out of the magazine and into the chamber; you will note that in the context of where I mention it, it is after inserting a loaded or partly loaded magazine.

The gun would then be in single action, and most people would de-cock for reasons of additional safety.

When you say:

"With no round in the chamber, the gun will still fire without racking the slide."

That's not possible, if you think about it. The chamber must have a round in it to fire; it's why it's called "the firing chamber". What you meant to say, probably, is that with a round in the chamber you do not need to rack the slide.
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Nope, with a Taurus double action, a single pull of the trigger both chambers a round and fires. That's what's meant by "double action." If there's a round in the chamber, it fires in single action mode.
 
SeniorBen said:
Nope, with a Taurus double action, a single pull of the trigger both chambers a round and fires. That's what's meant by "double action." If there's a round in the chamber, it fires in single action mode.
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How does it get a round out of the magazine? Show me a link to this kind of semi-automatic.

If you are talking about a revolver, yes, but the conversation was about a 9mm Taurus, and it's true that there are 9mm revolvers, but I've never yet in my life seen one, nor actually talked to someone that has one. They are almost for enthusiasts, only.

I made the assumption, for sake of this discussion, that the mom was not an enthusiast and if it was a 9mm, it was almost certain to be a semi.

But if there is a type of semi that, with the pull of the trigger in double action, *pulls* a round out of the magazine, shoves it into the chamber and fires, I would like to be educated about it.

BTW, if there's a round in the chamber in a SA/DA semi you can decock, put the hammer down, and it's now in double action.

I have two that work that way, and two that are SA only, like a 1911A. I would like to find out about a semi that can load the chamber from a trigger pull.
 
Heard on news, teacher is suing school district👍..because they knew he had gun
And
Superintendent of school district fired.👍
 
There can be no understanding of why this child was not stopped from the get-go, unless the school thought the kid's parents might sue them for bothering their nut case kid.

The teacher still has a bullet lodged in her chest.
 
Mother still claims gun locked with super lock, in top shelf in her closet. Begs the question...........?

Also, first time kid in school without a parent. This child never should have been allowed in public school if he could not attend w/out a parent. Also wonder, why did a parent not attend that day? A lot of questions to answer here.

Some people think teachers should be armed. If so, should the teacher have shot this student first?

Somehow, for no good reason, I think of Uvalde.

My country is insane.
 
Pepper said:
Mother still claims gun locked with super lock, in top shelf in her closet. Begs the question...........?

Also, first time kid in school without a parent. This child never should have been allowed in public school if he could not attend w/out a parent. Also wonder, why did a parent not attend that day? A lot of questions to answer here.

Some people think teachers should be armed. If so, should the teacher have shot this student first?

Somehow, for no good reason, I think of Uvalde.

My country is insane.
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A string of astonishing co-incidences..apparently.. Kid suddenly is able to reach up to a top shelf, with lock picking skills, on the very day the parents can't accompany him to school... :cautious:
 

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