You didn't answer my question. It is pure bigotry to assume that if you're pro-life, you must be religious and that there's no other reason to be horrified by this ongoing genocide. The German Holocaust is soundly condemned and should be for killing millions yet we casually kill millions for mere convenience.
I am sorry you are offended at being associated, if only in the mind, with a religious belief.
Also, I won't indulge in references to the Holocaust. It's an attempt to use trigger words for effect, and it's not relevant to this discussion. Nor does it, in any way, move the discussion forward. Personally, I find it disgusting to have even come up.
The four year old might get cancer at five. Would terminating its life be justified by this fact. Victims of cystic fibrosis live a very short life span. Should they be allowed to live? Add to that is you don't know if it's viable or not and odds are it is. Miscarriages - which is a natural occurance only when there is something horribly wrong with the fetus - are not the rule. Only 10-15% of pregnancies end in miscarraige so the odds are that it's viable. Indeed, if the mother thought it wasn't, she wouldn't bother with the abortion but let nature take its course. Abortions are performed becasue the pregnancy is assumed viable.
This is also, in my view, a bunch of trigger words and phrases that are completely irrelevant to the subject. If you don't know the difference between a living, breathing, person of four years of age, and some cells in a womb, then there's really nowhere for you and I to go. I'm not bothered with histrionics, this is a serious subject that ought to be discussed with intellectual honesty. If not, it's just a lot of hand waiving. Honestly your comments here are off-topic.
For the record, I absolutely, 100%, know that a few cells in a cell is not viable. The only chance it gets at becoming a human being is if it's left to gestate. Your argument is akin to saying we shouldn't throw tin cans away, because it could one day be a saucepan. Viability is measured at the time, not based on an if, or passage of time.
Well that's the pot calling the kettle black. You've been nothing but condescending and snobby in this entire discussion, dismissing my arguments as emotional and not based on knowledge. You've accused me of being unfeeling when I'm not. I feel sorry for the rape victim but that pity does not justify killing an innocent.
Well, no surprise here, I don't agree with you. Condescending? I think not. But here's the thing, why is it not enough for you to simply disagree with me? Why take it to this level? You're saying I'm condescending and dismissive, while you're being condescending and dismissive. Is the irony deliberate? I think I know exactly how you feel on this topic, and you'll be of no delusion on what I feel about it. That's it. No big deal. I think you're wrong on this, and you know doubt think the same of me. Why is that problematic?
If we're going to further the discussion, then bring something new to the table.
I like this graph. I've always prided myself on being centrist. I agree with the left on some things; with the right on some things but man the Left has gotten so horribly intolerant of any disagreement with them at all that I feel shoved right even though I've been standing still with the same consider all views and decide each issue for myself independence.
Horribly intolerant, huh? I suggest you read our exchanges again. Honestly, this is a serious topic, but this paragraph actually had me laughing out loud. On this topic, I don't think Left or Right comes into it. The right of the mother to decide what happens to her body is a HUMAN right issue, not a political one. It's the politics that poisons the well.
I think what the Right is saying is that our Constitution was written with Christian values in mind. To be of European descent is to be steeped in Christian values, whether one is religious or not. I mean that that person, sort of, is a Christian whether he is a believer or not.
Last time I checked, every bank note in the US has "In God We Trust", written on it. That says it all really. Obviously much of American culture is based on a Christian belief system. It's just a fact. So yeah. It also stands to reason that Americans who are atheists, will have some beliefs that are based on the country they were brought up in. It's how societies work.
It used to be moral values, not necessarily christian values. There is very little in the way of morality anywhere any more. The only one still hanging on by a thread is the one about killing...and only a very thin thread. Even the pagans before christianity was invented understood morality.
There are morals, but they may not be morals you agree with. People have always stolen. People have always had sex outside of marriage. There have, as far as we know, always been gay people. But I wouldn't describe it all as a lack of morals, just because they're not the morals you agree with. There are a lot of people who still live a principled life.
Overall, there is a movement to change the Capitalist society of the US to a, 1st, Socialist society. This is a gradual transition because an abrupt turn would be met with push back. Obama tried it and got plenty of pushback, didn't work.
Once socialism is well entrenched, then the gradual movement to Marxism, and then communism. All be implemented in small (seamingly) insignificant pieces.
Saul Alinsky (I know, some of you think because he is dead his words are meaningless) wrote many books on how to transition and referred to points in history that validated his points.
So, the changes you see (lack of education, illegals immigration, higher taxes, freedom of speech being taken away, guns being taken/regulated by law abiding citizens, government healthcare, the list goes on and on. All with the future outcome to change the US society as a whole. We fight amongst ourselves over the various pieces, and the government loves that they can divide people by race, class, ecomney. That keeps the focus off them and redirects the problem to various divisions that they set up.
That combined with the weakest administration in the history of the country, accelerates the transition. Other countries are witnessing this and taking aggressive stances against other countries because then can at this time in history more than any other time.
There really isn't a move to make the US a Socialist country. It's a trigger word to get the Right excited. Not s single representative is campaigning to make the US a Socialist country. That's just something right-wingers say to get their supporters fired up. Like gun control - any time it's mentioned in any context, the right wake up and start screaming - "They're trying to take our guns away!" Whereas, in reality, no-one is saying they're going to take all your guns away. In fact, has it ever been said by any politician in the last 100 years? I think not.
And you do know Alinsky isn't the only person who has written on this topic, right? He's just another thinker who wrote a book. No-one is treating his work as a Bible or how-to guide. I suggest you read more widely. (Which you'll claim to have done, but I can only try my best).
Either way, the country is not ever going to be socialist, so while you're chasing your tail on that one, the real evil is being done.
As a finally note - apologies to anyone upset or bothered about the craziness on this topic. Sadly, this is what happens when hysterics replaces discourse.
There are two questions, not one:
