Some won't ever understand the stigmatization of African Americans

We all have our causes. But imho, it is dangerous to inflict our white experience on people of colour, and try to say it is the same. Colour, like gender, changes the power dynamic all too often. Also, as a therapist the whole victim thing frosts my shorts. It can so easily be used to dismiss and demean those whose

opinion clashes with our own. We are affected by prejudice/abuse, etc, whatever negative crap that rains down on our heads. To acknowledge this is not playing the victim, but standing tall, having our voice, my experience is different than April's, but it

in no way invalidates hers. It would be arrogant of me to state differently. There is no competition here. We are all on the same level, I have no right to dispense wisdom from some mythical mountaintop. Life is a learning curve after all. Conversion to doubt can lead to amazing growth.
 

Alright, see it as you choose to with eyes and mind closed it tells me you listen more as the victim for you can't see beyond feeling insulted yourself. That's OK, you have plenty of company. A victim I've never lived my life in such a way nor have those I choose to associate with, but it doesn't stop people from trying to geuse words such as yours to label those of us who speak out against certain acts as being such. Just one more method to try to silence the voices of truth that some refuse to acknowledge. Please don't feel obligated to read my post I do think you've made your mind up about the matter long ago. I didn't post this thread to change minds I posted to get some feelings I was struggling with off my chest, but, it appears I'm being told my feeling s are invalid, that I take issue with. How is it having feelings playing victim is beyond me. I've never let any pains stop me from having sucesses in life and I've encountered pains of such that would have put many down long before they reached their teens, so yes labeling me victim jus one more insult. Sweetness, but doesn't mean I'm hurting from it. :D



I am neither hurt, insulted, nor have I "tried to silence your voice", this is in your imagination . I never feel I have to read anyone's post, I do so in the interest of intelligent conversation; when there is a point to be conveyed. Peace
 
I am neither hurt, insulted, nor have I "tried to silence your voice", this is in your imagination . I never feel I have to read anyone's post, I do so in the interest of intelligent conversation; when there is a point to be conveyed. Peace


No problem continue as you see fit to do.
 

AprilT----My son adopted two bi-racial girls about 5 or 6 years ago. They had already adopted their little sister right out of the hospital and she is white. The mother of all three girls has about a dozen different (races) kids, Three or four of them are white and the remainder are different races. The mother is obviously a person that likes to run around and also is a person of ill repute.

Before my son adopted the two older daughters, they were living in West Virginia and the husband and wife that were keeping the two girls as foster kids told the agency that they no longer wanted to do fostering. A year ago this past fall, the oldest daughter enrolled in college (Penn State) and is studying to work with children coming from the same situation as she did. The next girl down in age is now a senior in high school and wants to try to go to Johns Hopkins University, which costs about $60,000.00 per year, to also learn Child Psychology.

The two bi racial girls blended right in with our family and it was like they were a member of our family right from the beginning. The two girls were never shy or reserved. Both have had while boyfriends and they lean heavily towards wanting to be considered as white. My question is, "How do they see themselves, white or black, or color to them is unimportant, or does not exist?" I don't know why, but this question really bugs me at times. The best part is that they called me Grandpa from day one.
 
Humans are visual creatures.. and keenly aware of differences in appearances. Intellectually we can accept that this is superficial and unimportant.. Viscerally, I'm not so sure.. If it was that easy and uncomplicated there wouldn't be all this angst over it.
 
Humans are visual creatures.. and keenly aware of differences in appearances. Intellectually we can accept that this is superficial and unimportant.. Viscerally, I'm not so sure.. If it was that easy and uncomplicated there wouldn't be all this angst over it.

? Is this even a question? There's are of course visual differences, QS, it would be naive of anyone to not expect people to take note just as there are differences in body size, hair color certain cultural differences, I sure take not when I go out dancing there are major differences. :D. I'm just trying to understand your point with bringing that up. I would think you of all people understand there are other issues at hand that I was speaking on.

The color of someones skin may be different, but, it never in my life was what influenced how I interacted with or approached anyone in my childhood or as an adult, their color just didn't register to me. That may seem strange to some, but, it just wasn't what was the first thing I noticed about anyone. Maybe because I was always around people of various skin colors from day one, so it just never seemed like anything to focus on. It is only in the past few years that I now have moments of apprehension in some situations because of all I've heard and encountered these days that I even give anything a thought as to how I'm being perceived in any given situation, but, this doesn't happen often, but, sad to say it happens at all. Not something I think on that affects me on a daily basis, just something I'm more aware of since outside forces bring it to me.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not stupid enough to think over the years I wasn't being focused on, I had many bad experiences throughout the years, but, I paid them little mind and just brushed them all off, even having been called the N word when walking out of a club, being grabbed by a Walmart security guard when the person they wanted was my housemate, the white guy, who actual had done nothing wrong, and came back inside to see what was holding me up and was ready to rip them a new one but I said let it go, no big deal, I may have been a little more affected when having my child crying in tears when told she and one of her best friends should play together because they were of different races. I have dozens of stories like these, but, never let those get to me, they were in the past, as I've said, it was only recent years of more harassment and reading the words of so many on the net that just turns my stomach, but, no, I won't let it affect how I interact, judge the majority of people or live my life going forward, I know those are just the ignorant with their own issues, insecurities and misunderstandings.

I am human and entitled to feel sad ever so often, I may not let it burden me and I will do what I can to affect change for the better for all of the people regardless of the cause where I can, but, I'll be damn if I stew in silence and do nothing even if the means just letting some steam off now and then. No one wants to have to encounter an angry black woman, so good to let her get stuff off her chest. :D Yes, I know it's a stereotype, but ya know some of you were thinking it. LOL! Even if no one was, it was funny to me in the moment when I thought of it just letting you know, I have a sense of humor, I laugh at myself all the time, don't get mad, it's good for your health. :)
 
I'm sorry if for some reason my post offended you.. It was not my intention. It seems to me that no matter what people are posting, you are taking offense to it.. I'm not responding to this thread again, as I don't want to upset you further.

NO none of us understand what it feels like to be Black.. we get it. At least I do.. But you brought up this topic and it seems like everyone is offending you.. Just what exactly do you want people to say?
 
AprilT----My son adopted two bi-racial girls about 5 or 6 years ago. They had already adopted their little sister right out of the hospital and she is white. The mother of all three girls has about a dozen different (races) kids, Three or four of them are white and the remainder are different races. The mother is obviously a person that likes to run around and also is a person of ill repute.

Before my son adopted the two older daughters, they were living in West Virginia and the husband and wife that were keeping the two girls as foster kids told the agency that they no longer wanted to do fostering. A year ago this past fall, the oldest daughter enrolled in college (Penn State) and is studying to work with children coming from the same situation as she did. The next girl down in age is now a senior in high school and wants to try to go to Johns Hopkins University, which costs about $60,000.00 per year, to also learn Child Psychology.

The two bi racial girls blended right in with our family and it was like they were a member of our family right from the beginning. The two girls were never shy or reserved. Both have had while boyfriends and they lean heavily towards wanting to be considered as white. My question is, "How do they see themselves, white or black, or color to them is unimportant, or does not exist?" I don't know why, but this question really bugs me at times. The best part is that they called me Grandpa from day one.

I can't answer for the children in your family, my sister's daughter self identifies as black, my childhood friend who was blond, looked as much white to many identified as black, some identify as white, bi-racial, black, white, it's entirely up to the individual. Not easy for some easier for others to decide. It doesn't have to be as difficult as people make it, but, the adults are the ones who put upon the children by not instilling in a strong sense of self no matter what. Some

I could roll out a list of famous people who do or don't identify with one or the other or both their birth parent's culture groups and are living full happy lives, some who identify. I'm sure many of the celebs you don't know are bi-racial who don't make a big deal of it, you would be quite surprised to know so.

There are many books one can read or offer to children to help them learn about themselves on the matter if one chooses to go that route. If a child is really having issues and children can have issues regardless of what the cause, no reason to not seek some source to help them cope better. But letting them express themselves and not dismissing them and just saying they'll get over this or that is important.

Listen, I'm black, but, for a variety of reasons, I had to contend with being called white girl my whole life and I am not bi-racial in the least. Not funny even more horrified when one of my childhood besties repeatedly would tell me she was blacker than I'd ever be, she being Italian-black, that's the blond I mentioned earlier. I still loved her to death, we stayed friends well into adulthood. One of the friends I miss to this day. I'm a bit of a nerd, a cute sexy one so I don't fit anywhere, so I have my own angst.
 
I'm sorry if for some reason my post offended you.. It was not my intention. It seems to me that no matter what people are posting, you are taking offense to it.. I'm not responding to this thread again, as I don't want to upset you further.

NO none of us understand what it feels like to be Black.. we get it. At least I do.. But you brought up this topic and it seems like everyone is offending you.. Just what exactly do you want people to say?

QS, no, not offended, I was just trying to understand your point. I wasn't quite sure what you meant by your statement and was just asking, the rest of my posting wasn't directed at your, that was just dribble. I'm sorry if I'm starting to miscommunicate my own feelings. Sigh! I really wasn't offended by what you said, just didn't understand.
 
To all of you I have insulted, not let you state your position without my own feelings being put upon, I apologize. This subject is just too sensitive to me and obviously I may not be seeing some people's views with a totally open heart. Please don't let my over sensitivity to the matter hinder you from participating, even if I may take pause. Though, I myself am good if the thread is done with.:eek:nthego:
 
QS, no, not offended, I was just trying to understand your point. I wasn't quite sure what you meant by your statement and was just asking, the rest of my posting wasn't directed at your, that was just dribble. I'm sorry if I'm starting to miscommunicate my own feelings. Sigh! I really wasn't offended by what you said, just didn't understand.

Thank you April.. I was just pointing out the obvious I guess in my post. Probably for lack of anything else to say.
 

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