Strangulation Marks on the first person to use the suicide Pod

Murrmurr said:
Death With Dignity is legal in a handful of states, including mine. I think the suicide pills must be prescribed by a physician.

In Montana, the person has to go to a court hearing first. Basically, the suicide has to be sanctioned by a judge.
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It's only a matter of time before the assisted-suicide activists have their way.
 
hollydolly said:
I can't imagine they would have invented strangulation marks as an excuse to arrest anyone... there would have been many other reasons they could have used...
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IMO, it's the rush to judgement, no facts, and politically motivated.........sounds really similar to the old man and kid that got arrested for felling The Sycamore Tree.

Check out the thread on overturned convictions and you'll clearly see the bias and criminality that be done by prosecutors and judges.
 

againstthegrain said:
IMO, it's the rush to judgement, no facts, and politically motivated.........sounds really similar to the old man and kid that got arrested for felling The Sycamore Tree.

Check out the thread on overturned convictions and you'll clearly see the bias and criminality that be done by prosecutors and judges.
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why would it be politically motivated in a country that already permits Assisted suicide?...
 
Murrmurr said:
Well, if you think about it, the Constitution supports suicide....not in specific words, but we all have a right to choose to die if we want. There's nothing in the Bill of Rights that says we don't.
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Unfortunately not here...the law still says to this day that suicide is a crime punishable by a prison sentence.. and the same for anyone found to be abbetting the same...

My mum was a classic example of this, she tried to commit suicide several times.. she was a staunch catholic, and really believed God wouldn't forgive her if she did... and she would often also say if she didn't succeed in her attempts she might go to prison acording to the law........ but it didn't stop her trying.. the depth of her depression was just so intense
 
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gruntlabor said:
Not for me it ain't.
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People don't always understand that the United States is a Federation of States.
While often categorized as a democracy, the United States is more accurately defined as a constitutional federal republic. What does this mean? “Constitutional” refers to the fact that government in the United States is based on a Constitution which is the supreme law of the United States. The Constitution not only provides the framework for how the federal and state governments are structured, but also places significant limits on their powers. “Federal” means that there is both a national government and governments of the 50 states. A “republic” is a form of government in which the people hold power, but elect representatives to exercise that power.
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dilettante said:
People don't always understand that the United States is a Federation of States.
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...and this is also what we try even more so.. to make Non Europeans understand that Europe is not a Country,...it's like the USA in that it's broken up not into States but into countries with adiferent language in each..and of course different laws...

Imagine the USA with it's 50 states and every single one has a different language and different laws and different leaders, and each leader has the right to start a war....that's EuropeWe in the Uk can be described as the Hawaii is to the USA..to Europe in that we are a stand alone island but we are independently ruled and a sovereign country which contains 4 seperate soverign countries..
 
hollydolly said:
Unfortunately not here...the law still says to this day that suicide is a crime punishable by a priosn sentence.. and the same for anyone found to be abbetting the same...

My mum was a clasic example of this, she tried to commit suicide sevral times.. she was a staunch catholic, and really believed God wouldn't forgive her if she did... and she would often also say if she didn't succeed in her attempts she might go to prison acording to the law........ but it didn't stop her trying.. the depth of her depression was just so intense
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Suicide is a crime here as well, but there's no legal grounds for criminalizing it. People have been sentenced to prison for helping a loved one commit suicide, but some of those cases were appealed and taken to a higher court where their sentence was overturned.

People still incarcerated for that "offense" either didn't have good attorneys or couldn't afford the appeal process, which costs thousands of $$.
 
Murrmurr said:
Suicide is a crime here as well, but there's no legal grounds for criminalizing it. People have been sentenced to prison for helping a loved one commit suicide, but some of those cases were appealed and taken to a higher court where their sentence was overturned.

People still incarcerated for that "offense" either didn't have good attorneys or couldn't afford the appeal process, which costs thousands of $$.
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the same here..now.. people are arrested then left to languish for months in prison while waiting for their day in court and usually then allowed to go free.. but that's horrendous, because they've usually lost their jobs, lost theirstatus, lost their homes in many cases.. only to be set free.. but ith a big stain on their record...

back before my mother killed herself, it was very much more frowned upon, and the law did imprison people for the crime of ''surviving a suicide''...
 
hollydolly said:
Unfortunately not here...the law still says to this day that suicide is a crime punishable by a prison sentence.. and the same for anyone found to be abbetting the same...

My mum was a classic example of this, she tried to commit suicide several times.. she was a staunch catholic, and really believed God wouldn't forgive her if she did... and she would often also say if she didn't succeed in her attempts she might go to prison acording to the law........ but it didn't stop her trying.. the depth of her depression was just so intense
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But consider how dangerous the act is, I mean dangerous to innocent bystanders. Like driving into walls or suicide by police officer, How many people may jump in to save a drowning person? And how traumatic for those left behind. Suicide is a profoundly selfish and cowardly act, my opinion, and should not be encouraged.
 
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gruntlabor said:
But consider how dangerous the act is, I mean dangerous to innocent bystanders. Like driving into walls or suicide by police officer, And how horrible for those left behind. Suicide is a profoundly selfish and cowardly act, my opinion.
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my mother committed suicide, my ex husband's son committed suicide... I take great offence at your remarks that they were selfish and cowardly...:oops::oops:
 
hollydolly said:
why would it be politically motivated in a country that already permits Assisted suicide?...
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From the article in the OP:

"The public prosecutor in the Schaffhausen canton said that Sarco's creators had been warned not to use the device in the region, but that the warning had not been heeded.

'We warned them in writing,' prosecutor Peter Sticher said in September. 'We said that if they came to Schaffhausen and used Sarco, they would face criminal consequences.' "
 
I don’t understand the fear or controversy over giving people and their medical advisers the legal right to assisted suicide.

That doesn’t mean that anyone should be encouraged or forced to consider it as an option if they have ethical or religious views that would make it impossible for them.
 
gruntlabor said:
But consider how dangerous the act is, I mean dangerous to innocent bystanders. Like driving into walls or suicide by police officer, How many people may jump in to save a drowning person? And how traumatic for those left behind. Suicide is a profoundly selfish and cowardly act, my opinion, and should not be encouraged.
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Totally depends on the circumstances. If someone is suicidal and it's a known side-effect of a medication they're taking, or they are mentally ill, or they're young and they're being abused at home or bullied at school, those people need help. They need intervention and treatment, a change of medication, etc.

But if they are wheelchair-bound or paralyzed, or have chronic, incessant, untreatable pain, or a terminal disease, and they're done with suffering or with depending on others to care for them, and they're completely unable to enjoy life, choosing to end it is not chickenshit. And, imo, the people in their lives who want them to stay and keep suffering because they'll miss them when they die, they are the selfish ones.
 
Murrmurr said:
Totally depends on the circumstances. If someone is suicidal and it's a known side-effect of a medication they're taking, or they are mentally ill, or they're young and they're being abused at home or bullied at school, those people need help. They need intervention and treatment, a change of medication, etc.

But if they are wheelchair-bound or paralyzed, or have chronic, incessant, untreatable pain, or a terminal disease, and they're done with suffering or with depending on others to care for them, and they're completely unable to enjoy life, choosing to end it is not chickenshit. And, imo, the people in their lives who want them to stay and keep suffering because they'll miss them when they die, they are the selfish ones.
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hear , hear ! Absolutely without Question
 
The suicide pods kinda resemble photon torpedo tubes on Star Trek that are sometimes used to jettison bodies into space. Maybe we could after death be shot in one like Spock was down to the Genesis planet, and get regenerated! 🖖

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People who hang themselves and die by strangulation often leave scratch marks on their own neck.
Execution by hanging involves a drop from a calculated height.
 

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