Study Says Covid-19 Has No Natural Ancestor And Was Created by Chinese Scientists.

[JonDouglas]

Story in the Daily Mail:

An explosive new study claims that Chinese scientists created COVID-19 in a Wuhan lab, then tried to cover their tracks by reverse-engineering versions of the virus to make it look like it evolved naturally from bats. The paper's authors, British Professor Angus Dalgleish and Norwegian scientist Dr. Birger Sørensen, wrote that they have had 'prima facie evidence of retro-engineering in China' for a year - but were ignored by academics and major journals. ​

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Dalgleish is a professor of oncology at St George's University, London, and is best known for his breakthrough creating the first working 'HIV vaccine', to treat diagnosed patients and allow them to go off medication for months. Sørensen, a virologist, is chair of pharmaceutical company, Immunor, which developed a coronavirus vaccine candidate called Biovacc-19. Dalgleish also has share options in the firm. ​

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The shocking allegations in the study include accusations of 'deliberate destruction, concealment or contamination of data' at Chinese labs, and it notes the silencing and disappearance of scientists in the communist country who spoke out. ​

More at Daily Mail Article

 

[Don M.]

More and more sources are questioning the Chinese "official" claims, regarding the origins of this virus. Perhaps, someday we will get the truth, and I seriously doubt that "bats" will be involved.

 

[Murrmurr]

I remember British medical people deciding to investigate this last year while the media was categorizing any talk of lab origin as conspiracy theory. Major media outlets refused to publish their findings. Seems we're moving past that kind of censorship.

 

[Devi]

You're right, @Murrmurr -- all that has to be done to dismiss something is to label it a conspiracy theory.

Good that this is finally coming out.

 

[chic]

And the so called conspiracy theorists are proven correct again. We need to be able to have serious discussions with one another again with labeling each other which solves nothing. Communication is so vital. This is how we will find the way out of this, but together.

 

[Paco Dennis]

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[JonDouglas]

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Is it true that those who don't like or can't attack the substance of the article tend to attack or impugn the source? It is a time-tested, political tactic and one of the "Rules for Radicals". I don't think the Daily Mail is the only source of this information so you may have more work to do.

 

[Paco Dennis]

I hear what you are saying. I just spent quite awhile trying to find another source for this new study. Right now many sites have copied the Daily Mails article. It is because the Daily Mail claims "DailyMail.com exclusively obtained the new 22-page paper authored by British Professor Angus Dalgleish and Norwegian scientist Dr. Birger Sørensen set to be published in the Quarterly Review of Biophysics Discovery

Until the study is made public, so we can verify what it says, we are taking only the Daily Mails account. If anyone can find the study, I want to see it. This kind of news has some major implications if true.

 

[JonDouglas]

I hear what you are saying. I just spent quite awhile trying to find another source for this new study. Right now many sites have copied the Daily Mails article. It is because the Daily Mail claims "DailyMail.com exclusively obtained the new 22-page paper authored by British Professor Angus Dalgleish and Norwegian scientist Dr. Birger Sørensen set to be published in the Quarterly Review of Biophysics Discovery

Until the study is made public, so we can verify what it says, we are taking only the Daily Mails account. If anyone can find the study, I want to see it. This kind of news has some major implications if true.

The main purpose of my posting this was to bring the story/study into the light for people to see, make note of and/or pass judgement on. Ignoring the story or suggestively impugning it by trying to put down the source, for whatever reason, does a disservice to people capable of thinking for themselves.

 

[Paco Dennis]

I am making no judgement on anything here. The source rated the Daily Mail as questionable. Let people google it's veracity and find out for themselves. We have not seen the study. It is second hand reporting and that is how rumors are spread from source to source. It can be dangerous.

"The main purpose of my posting this was to bring the story/study into the light for people to see." It is not in the light. It is in the shadows.

 

[JonDouglas]

I am making no judgement on anything here. The source rated the Daily Mail as questionable. Let people google it's veracity and find out for themselves. We have not seen the study. It is second hand reporting and that is how rumors are spread from source to source. It can be dangerous.

"The main purpose of my posting this was to bring the story/study into the light for people to see." It is not in the light. It is in the shadows.

Let me try this from another direction. The source (i.e., The Daily Mail) was not and should not have been an issue. The possible existence of an important study was the issue and of sufficient potential importance that folks should be aware of it. Making people aware of it brings it out of the shadows and into the light of things to be aware of and check out. So what if the study isn't published yet? Increased awareness and notoriety does put light on it.

I am very sure there are a good number of people, especially the CCP and its minions, who want this story buried or labled false and the first thing they often do is try to shoot down the messenger.

 

[Paco Dennis]

I don't think what you think is realistic. If that study were to be published and we could read it, it would be MAJOR news. It is hearsay until then...rumor...unverified.

 

[JonDouglas]

I don't think what you think is realistic. If that study were to be published and we could read it, it would be MAJOR news. It is hearsay until then...rumor...unverified.

Well, for better or worse, it is "major news" in that the powers at be in DC and other independent labs have been investigating the non-native nature of the virus. You see, the "study" and the Mail report are not the first instance of this claim. You might want to wonder why Facebook has stopped banning posts about the virus being man made - or not. The issue is the claim, not whether some single study has been published.

 

[Paco Dennis]

I know about the timeline of reports, and it is still under investigation. I want to know the truth, but this is one of those MAJOR news item that might not ever be answered. I just watched a video of the conclusions an independent research team did on the J.F.K. assassination. They concluded that the secret service man in the passenger seat shot the President by accident while turning around to face him.
Did that surprise me! JFK: The Smoking Gun I also hope the increasing reports of UFO sightings will soon lead to the truth about what is going on there...but it is still hidden. Some unsolved mysteries are solved and many never are.

 

[Paco Dennis]

This story, which is BIG NEWS, just was reported by Fox News!

Explosive study claims to prove Chinese scientists created COVID​

This might get very interesting.

 

[JonDouglas]

This story, which is BIG NEWS, just was reported by Fox News!

Explosive study claims to prove Chinese scientists created COVID​

This might get very interesting.

Perhaps you missed reading the story in the Daily Mail that was in the OP, because Fox is just reporting on and referring to that Daily Mail story.

 

[JonDouglas]

The Dragon's Footprint: There is an interesting op-ed piece of that title in the Pioneer India (Delhi) by the Chairman, Khadi and Village Industries Commission, New Delhi.

Surprisingly, the virus affects only the countries that may have a capacity to control China’s hegemonist ambitions and not those securing aid and assistance from it​

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It is widely suspected that the COVID-19 virus was manufactured in a laboratory in China and was let loose on the world. It is China which is thus claimed to be largely responsible for the loss of more than 3.3 million lives and causing untold suffering to a far greater number of people. ​

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If we look at the list of death by countries, we will see that over half a million died in USA, the biggest trade and military rival of China. Brazil and India, which are the two major members of the BRIC countries that together could make a formidable power of challenge to China have collectively recorded over another half a million deaths. Western European countries, which are allies of US and are power partners in the UN and NATO and dominate the world of commerce and military under the patronage and partnership of US, have collectively seen another half a million deaths. ​

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Actually, a laboratory manufactured agent of death has allegedly been unleashed into countries that are the major threat and hurdle in China’s marathon 100-year run to finish as the world’s largest super power. In about a year, not just death, the health and hygiene framework and the economic fabric of these countries have been damaged to such an extent that the recovery could take years. On top of that, these nations, mostly democratic, are now facing people’s ire due to unquantifiable suffering, and very stable political governance systems have been shaken to the core. This kind of warfare has never been witnessed before in human history.​

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This, by the way, is the kind of story the bureaucrats at Foggy Bottom (i.e. the State Department and other govt. agencies) might prefer you didn't read. You can be 100% certain it's not the story the CCP wants you to read. Regardless, it's a hypothesis worth keeping in mind.

 

[hollydolly]

I am making no judgement on anything here. The source rated the Daily Mail as questionable. Let people google it's veracity and find out for themselves. We have not seen the study. It is second hand reporting and that is how rumors are spread from source to source. It can be dangerous.

"The main purpose of my posting this was to bring the story/study into the light for people to see." It is not in the light. It is in the shadows.

however the Daily mail has over 2 million readers, who will take this very seriously...not everything written in the DM is entirely wrong.. in fact the DM has exposed many serious issues in the past that were dismissed by the ''this is a comic'' brigade..only for them to be proven at a later date, and is the most read tabloid online ..

 

[StarSong]

Evidence increasingly points toward a bio-engineered corona virus variant accidentally escaping Wuhan's lab due to sloppy procedures.

Not sure what consequences China will suffer even if that's proven beyond all doubt.

 

[Paco Dennis]

Perhaps you missed reading the story in the Daily Mail that was in the OP, because Fox is just reporting on and referring to that Daily Mail story.

No, I read it, and was cautious about accepting it. Since then I have been researching it. This same kind of discussion erupted on another forum. Someone posted the article from the Daily Mail and the responses were very similar. BUT today is a new day, and maybe the Daily Mail has once again helped get us closer to the truth. I read an article that said that the old meme about "tabloid news" being mainly embellished or false has changed in the past couple years. Much of what they print is indeed factual stuff, but the main stream media won't cover it because of it's cultural bias.
I just googled to find out if more outlets are covering this story and it has spread. I found at least 70 articles referring to the Daily Mail article.

Biden has just announced a deep investigation into the viruses' origin, to be finished in 90 days. This is starting to feel like the unraveling of Watergate! We know what happened then.

 

[garyt1957]

I hear what you are saying. I just spent quite awhile trying to find another source for this new study. Right now many sites have copied the Daily Mails article. It is because the Daily Mail claims "DailyMail.com exclusively obtained the new 22-page paper authored by British Professor Angus Dalgleish and Norwegian scientist Dr. Birger Sørensen set to be published in the Quarterly Review of Biophysics Discovery

Until the study is made public, so we can verify what it says, we are taking only the Daily Mails account. If anyone can find the study, I want to see it. This kind of news has some major implications if true.

I don't see how this is a Right or Left political issue, so whether the DM is right leaning means nothing to me. CNN is even on this now. I've been posting on this for months. There were likely political reasons why people tried to kill this story early on, though

 

[Nathan]

Is it true that those who don't like or can't attack the substance of the article tend to attack or impugn the source? It is a time-tested, political tactic and one of the "Rules for Radicals".

...a good example of this is the attacks on the news media by the former administration. Of course, the constant attacks on Dr. Fauci continue to this day with the same kind of political tactic.

 

[JonDouglas]

As a footnote, the Sunday Times is now reporting that British intelligence agencies now think the Wuhan lab leak is "feasible" . Article is HERE.

...a good example of this is the attacks on the news media by the former administration. Of course, the constant attacks on Dr. Fauci continue to this day with same kind of political tactic.

How about let's leave politics out of these discussions (i.e. "former administration"). As for Fauci, that flip-flopping, camera-loving bureaucrat has brought it on himself. He is now the very face of the covid debacle.

 

[Nathan]

As a footnote, the Sunday Times is now reporting that British intelligence agencies now think the Wuhan lab leak is "feasible" . Article is HERE.

How about let's leave politics out of these discussions (i.e. "former administration"). As for Fauci, that flip-flopping, camera-loving bureaucrat has brought it on himself. He is now the very face of the covid debacle.

YOU mentioned politics...but now it's "How about let's leave politics out of these discussions"...can you see any irony in this at all?

 

[Nathan]

As for Fauci, that flip-flopping, camera-loving bureaucrat has brought it on himself. He is now the very face of the covid debacle.

I am beginning to get the impression that you're not a Dr. Fauci fan at all. Perhaps that's because he has exhibited the moral fortitude and conviction to stand up and reject the bullying lodged at him, from partisan figures.