Suspect arrested for murders of 4 Idaho college students.

dobielvr said:
Yes, in part.
There's a website that is pretty current w/info, and I believe it was stated that it was more than just a minor traffic stop.
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Did not read anything of that nature! Know what exactly it was?
 

RadishRose said:
I read most of it.

What I don't understand is why one of the surviors didn't call police right then? She saw him!!!! she heard crying from one of the victims, a thud and then actually saw the tall man wearing black wit a black mask on and bushy eyebrows leave the residence sometime before 4;30 am.

Yet, the police were not called until almost noon. What was wrong with her?

"D.M. opened her door again and "saw a figure clad in black clothing and a mask that covered the person's mouth and nose walking towards her," Moscow police officer Brett Payne wrote in the affidavit. "The male walked past D.M. as she stood in a ‘frozen shock phase.’" He walked by her and exited the second floor sliding glass doors, D.M. told police. "
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It's anomalous, isn't it?
 
Sawfish said:
With respect, do you really feel that he's being treated as other than an oddity, an odd duck who may have killed?

I don't get any hint that he's being celebrated, or lauded as a hero.
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If a person is mentally unbalanced, or despondent, there seems to be copycat tendencies. That is really my concern.
So much attention, good or bad, does stir the pot for some.

Certainly not for folks like you or myself, rational, normal sane thinking individuals.:giggle:
 
OK, thinking about what's in the probable cause (PC) document, linked in an early post to this thread...

Given the information in it, if one loosens up *just* a bit, there are two pieces of info that might hint at a bit more.

It is important to note that while most of the news stories reported both survivors, BF and DM as having rooms on the 1st floor, DM's room was on the 2nd floor, the same floor where XK and EC were killed.

1) The survivor, DM, says that she hears what she thought was KG playing with her dog upstairs, on the 3rd floor. DM's room is on the east side of the house, while KG's is on the west side, so DM was not directly below. Now, one way that one could infer that her dog was involved was that DM heard barking; other than that it's hard to see how she could think a dog was involved in the sound. This was "approximately" 4 AM.

DM "a short time later" hears someone, she thinks KG, say "There's someone here." DM then opened her BR door and looked out but saw nothing. But we know that XK had a door dash delivery at about that time, and hence was awake, while there's no reason to think that KG had come down from the 3rd floor.

DM opened her door a 2nd time, when she heard what she thought was XK crying. She heard a male voice at that time. No time is given, but 4:05-4:10 might be realistic. By XK's phone record, the last timestamp (TikTok) was 4:12. DM saw nothing and apparently closed the door again.

She opened it a 3rd time, apparently still hearing crying, and this time saw a black clad. masked man walk toward her, past her,and toward the sliding glass door in the kitchen.

2) There was an audio capture from 50 feet across the street that picked up, among other sounds, a dog barking repeatedly at 4:17 AM.

This is what I suppose may have happened.

The killer gained entrance, likely at the sliding glass door. He first went upstairs, killed KG and MM, and I say this because LE found what is likely the knife sheath on the bed. More on this later.

The dog may have barked at that time, which DM took to be KG playing with it. And it may have barked later, during the attack, as capture on audio.

The killer then went downstairs, perhaps to leave, and encountered XK who had the doordash food, or alternatively, heard noise upstairs. She retreated to the BR, the killer first killed EC, XK pleaded (cried), and killed her then.

As he left he encountered DM; lights may have been off. He may have left her alone because he was getting concerned about time, having actually killed two people on the 2nd floor that he had not intended killing. She's very lucky to be alive.

Now about the sheathe. I find it hard to think that once he took the blade out and used it, he would have sheathed it again, then taken it out again and left it at the site of the 2nd murder. Therefore, I think he unsheathed it on the 3rd floor, his first victims, lost track of it when he heard noise downstairs and went down to encounter the other two.

If he remembered that it was still upstairs, when he encountered DM in the hallway, he had to decide quickly whether to kill her and go back up to find the sheath, or simply to get out ASAP, which he did at a high rate of speed, if he was the driver of the Elantra.

So, comes in, goes upstairs, kills the two girls, loses the sheath, the dog is barking.

Goes downstairs to get out, encounters two others whom he must kill (witnesses), encounters a third on the way out but simply decides to run, and leaves in his car "at a high rate of speed".

What do you think?
 
Sawfish said:
OK, thinking about what's in the probable cause (PC) document, linked in an early post to this thread...

Given the information in it, if one loosens up *just* a bit, there are two pieces of info that might hint at a bit more.

It is important to note that while most of the news stories reported both survivors, BF and DM as having rooms on the 1st floor, DM's room was on the 2nd floor, the same floor where XK and EC were killed.

1) The survivor, DM, says that she hears what she thought was KG playing with her dog upstairs, on the 3rd floor. DM's room is on the east side of the house, while KG's is on the west side, so DM was not directly below. Now, one way that one could infer that her dog was involved was that DM heard barking; other than that it's hard to see how she could think a dog was involved in the sound. This was "approximately" 4 AM.

DM "a short time later" hears someone, she thinks KG, say "There's someone here." DM then opened her BR door and looked out but saw nothing. But we know that XK had a door dash delivery at about that time, and hence was awake, while there's no reason to think that KG had come down from the 3rd floor.

DM opened her door a 2nd time, when she heard what she thought was XK crying. She heard a male voice at that time. No time is given, but 4:05-4:10 might be realistic. By XK's phone record, the last timestamp (TikTok) was 4:12. DM saw nothing and apparently closed the door again.

She opened it a 3rd time, apparently still hearing crying, and this time saw a black clad. masked man walk toward her, past her,and toward the sliding glass door in the kitchen.

2) There was an audio capture from 50 feet across the street that picked up, among other sounds, a dog barking repeatedly at 4:17 AM.

This is what I suppose may have happened.

The killer gained entrance, likely at the sliding glass door. He first went upstairs, killed KG and MM, and I say this because LE found what is likely the knife sheath on the bed. More on this later.

The dog may have barked at that time, which DM took to be KG playing with it. And it may have barked later, during the attack, as capture on audio.

The killer then went downstairs, perhaps to leave, and encountered XK who had the doordash food, or alternatively, heard noise upstairs. She retreated to the BR, the killer first killed EC, XK pleaded (cried), and killed her then.

As he left he encountered DM; lights may have been off. He may have left her alone because he was getting concerned about time, having actually killed two people on the 2nd floor that he had not intended killing. She's very lucky to be alive.

Now about the sheathe. I find it hard to think that once he took the blade out and used it, he would have sheathed it again, then taken it out again and left it at the site of the 2nd murder. Therefore, I think he unsheathed it on the 3rd floor, his first victims, lost track of it when he heard noise downstairs and went down to encounter the other two.

If he remembered that it was still upstairs, when he encountered DM in the hallway, he had to decide quickly whether to kill her and go back up to find the sheath, or simply to get out ASAP, which he did at a high rate of speed, if he was the driver of the Elantra.

So, comes in, goes upstairs, kills the two girls, loses the sheath, the dog is barking.

Goes downstairs to get out, encounters two others whom he must kill (witnesses), encounters a third on the way out but simply decides to run, and leaves in his car "at a high rate of speed".

What do you think?
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I think it's incredibly arrogant of killer to lose the sheath. I think this crime, as I said from the beginning, is based on the intellect, not lust, of the killer, and yes, it is overwhelmingly clear he is the killer.

I loved your post Sawfish!
 
Pepper said:
I think it's incredibly arrogant of killer to lose the sheath. I think this crime, as I said from the beginning, is based on the intellect, not lust, of the killer, and yes, it is overwhelmingly clear he is the killer.

I loved your post Sawfish!
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Thanks!

One correction: the 3rd floor killings happened in MM's room, not KG's, with the dog enclosed in KG's room.

Here is an entirely separate thing I noticed. There was a lot written about them, how they lived, day-to-day, and a lot of photos.

They are very, very much like the students with whom I went to college, at San Deigo State, in the late 60s. I pledged a fraternity (not for me, however--I left in a couple of months) and it was very much like what they described in the description of the kids and their friends. Very minimal tattoos, if any, no outré body piercings, no projected hip attitudes, and they were obviously, males and females, trying to look good to the opposite sex.

I think that the photographic poses were more coyly provocative than in my day, but outside of that, it looks damned similar.

Odd to think that there is still a portion of the US demographic that has changed so little in 50+ years, isn't it? Now, my daughter went to college at an east coast liberal arts school, and if you're familiar with Swarthmore, it's not Swarthmore, but you will also be familiar with her school.

Boy, oh boy. It was nothing like what we see at U of I (or SD State, 50 years ago), in terms of life sensibilities, priorities.

As the college years went by, I could see it suck the joy right out of her life; that *really* hurt, to see it. She is only now shaking it off, four years later.
 
Pepper said:
@Sawfish
Amherst? Very familiar with this fabulous school. Or maybe not so fabulous if it harmed your daughter.
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You would know it if you know Amherst/Williams/Bowdoin/etc.

I'm not gonna dox her, however. I'm simply trying to make a point about how different the cultures are.

I went and told her how much fun college was, but it sure wasn't what she encountered.

I'm apolitical--I don't think that one "side" is good, the other bad, but here's a great example.

She started and was fairly excited all right, but the early sign was that there no longer any college comedy performances. She had expected to sing a sort of house song as apart of the freshman init ritual for residence houses--looked forward to it in a weird way, thought it was "fun"--but the student leaders of the house waived all that. She was sort of disappointed.

OK, that's fine.

Toward the end of her freshman year, maybe spring break, she told me that she was walking with a classmate who was a person of color and trans female. She said that without any apparent awareness, the person told her in conversation that she, the trans person, "hated white people and cis gendered people."

With a sense of open amazement and disappointment, my daughter (half Asian) said:

"And she said that and it meant that she must hate me, because I'm half white and heterosexual."

So I could understand this.

Also (and this was quite funny in a way), she told me at that time that she noticed that in some situations others would count her as a PoC, and in other situations she was white. She saw this as absurd, ironic.

But gradually over the next few years she became fairly critical of my tendency to poke fun at inconsistencies in behaviors/beliefs.

In her last year we discussed use of "the N word". It's hurtful (understandable), but it's hard to believe that it's terribly hurtful when many PoC use the word freely themselves. SO it got around to asking if it's hurtful if PoC say it (no), but only if others say it (yes). And to top it off, when I asked if some people are allowed to use that word and others weren't, and she said "Yes." I asked if there might be other such words, and she said "yes". This would mean that depending on what group you are a member of, you could either use all words available, or only some of them.

So much for equality, then.

But I shut up about it, or at least dialed it back and it's starting to go away now, out in the real world. The problem, if it is one, is taking care of itself, and this is probably because my daughter has never been a doctrinaire ideologue. She a realistic pragmatist since childhood.

It was very tough to see this. It was driven by social acceptance. All most all social activities were by invitation only, and you could very easily be locked out. There seemed to be almost a social competition for the highest moral ground. There was apparently no awareness of hypocrisy or inconsistency.

Anyway, I hope not to offend, seriously...

Hah! One last funny (ironic) thing!

You are right about the rigor of the schools like that, at least there, for sure. But much of the oddness came out of the students, and what she was describing to me in her classes was that very often the profs were trying to moderate the ideas the students were espousing in class. So it was the *opposite* as when I went to SD State in the 60s: some profs injected the more radical ideas and students ran with these new ideas.

Many of the ideas sank of their own weighty self-contradictions, over time.
 
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Saw where the suspect had one of the victim's picture in his phone which is more proof he stalked them before he moved in for the kill. Still unsure if planned to abduct or kill her only and the other three were collateral damage.
 
The suspected Idaho killer of 4 now a suspect in the disappearance of a Pennsylvania woman about a year ago. The woman went missing in the same county where his parents live.

https://nypost.com/2023/05/25/bryan...ed-to-testify-before-pennsylvania-grand-jury/

I always felt a killer like this doesn't start with multiple victims. I'd venture to say they are probably more. Abducting someone is a bold move and probably can only be done by someone with 'experience'.
 
Don't blame him for trying even though he sounds like a pos. He will not go down without a fight.

The state is also trying to disqualify his alibi(so he says) giving him a deadline to produce one before the trial.

https://www.newsweek.com/bryan-kohb...efendants,written demand from the prosecution.

I hope if guilty he gets the death penalty. That being we should want him to get a fair trial & treatment until found guilty if justice is the goal.
 
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