Target closing 9 stores in 5 cities

Brookswood

Brookswood

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Four of those five cities are on the West Coast: Oakland, San Francisco, Portland, Seattle.
The other city is New York.

Seattle is losing two stores due to unsafe conditions for both the customers and the employees. According to the article, Crime is the cause of the unsafe conditions.
 

Are they opening any new ones in newer areas? I rarely shop at Target but for the few times I've gone they are okay. When my daughter was young they were pretty good for kid clothes. And when I was traveling after I retired last year, some of the hotels I stayed at were close to Targets so I'd buy stuff just due to the convenient closeness.
 
Shoplifting and/or theft has become a huge problem for retail in general. In some areas it's simply not the worth staying open.

I wonder if they leased or owned those stores. If leased or owned they might rent out to a new business. Or simply keep closed until conditions crime and economy improve.
 

The target where we live is now a Kmart “hub” however if we want a target stocked product we can order it online and have it delivered to the Kmart “ hub”
Big W is closing allot of stores right across Australia .big W is a Woolworths group store who also tried competing with Bunnings ( huge hardware group ) but their shops all disappeared as quickly as they were built ( most of them are now Bunnings )

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What was the hardware store that went out of business?
Masters hardware stores to shut down, after Woolworths calls quits on failed venture. MASTERS will shut its doors in December after Woolworths pulled the plug on its failed experiment, with many of the 82 sites set to be turned into shopping centre
 
The shoplifting dollar amounts are too high in many cities and states. Some places it's just under $1,000 for felony theft. This is why there videos of criminals loading up garbage bags like they won the lottery. Yeh give someone a ticket for stealing cookies or soap under $100 but after than it should be a mandatory court appearance and arrest after $300-$500.

Even if a store loses one can a spray paint a day that 7 a week and over 300 a year. That adds up and takes away from a customer who pays and needs it. This is why the littlest things are being locked up. About 10 years ago stealing diapers and Tide got so bad they had to put those in a cage like cigarettes but now in some stores it's cosmetics among other things.

Local supermarkets are now alarming the aisles so everytime someone steps on a sensor the whole store hears it. All unused checkout aisles are roped off with regularity. Too much theft hurts emloyees too because it affects budgets and the amount of hours they get.
 
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https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/26/business/target-retail-theft-store-closures/index.html

“We cannot continue operating these stores because theft and organized retail crime are threatening the safety of our team and guests, and contributing to unsustainable business performance,” Target said in a statement. “We know that our stores serve an important role in their communities, but we can only be successful if the working and shopping environment is safe for all.”
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One factor that police believe is a driver of organized retail crime more recently is the fact that under new criminal justice reform laws and local district attorney’s policies to reduce mass incarceration, grand theft — the law that covers shoplifting — is a crime that judges can no longer jail a person or even require bail, no matter how many times the same individual is caught.

The consequence of a store like Target then pulling out because of repeated theft hits a community hard, said Flickinger.

“More than the sales tax that it generates, it’s the commercial real estate taxes that go towards funding public schools and other community services,” he said. “When a superstore like Target leaves the neighborhood, it erodes the economic strength of the community. Jobs are lost, suppliers no longer come to the area, shopper traffic drops.”
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ohioboy said:
A city can only have a misdemeanor $$ limit, and usually mirror state laws, as only states can have felony limits.
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Compare that to Canada, where we have ONE national criminal code, that applies in all parts of the country. Not a patchwork quilt of 50 different ones. JimB.
 
I don’t smoke, but was behind a customer in line at checkout the other day who did, and he wanted to buy cigarettes. They literally kept cigarettes behind lock and key, and the line was held up until the key-bearer could be summoned. When I saw that cigarettes in that locked case were going for up to $10 a pack, I understood the security! I’ve been in some stores where due to theft, they put out only one of certain items on the shelf. Too many people taking the five-finger discount, and slipping merchandise into purse or pocket.

I hope that the Target store in my area doesn’t close. The malls are dead here, and I‘d hate to negotiate the huge beggar-infested parking lot and sketchy crowds at Walmart more often than I do!
 
Fyrefox said:
I don’t smoke, but was behind a customer in line at checkout the other day who did, and he wanted to buy cigarettes. They literally kept cigarettes behind lock and key, and the line was held up until the key-bearer could be summoned. When I saw that cigarettes in that locked case were going for up to $10 a pack, I understood the security!
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When I quit smoking, cigarettes were 35 cents a pack, and much lower by the carton. I know we've had inflation, but it still seems like a rather huge leap. That's 29 times higher.
 
Fyrefox said:
I don’t smoke, but was behind a customer in line at checkout the other day who did, and he wanted to buy cigarettes. They literally kept cigarettes behind lock and key, and the line was held up until the key-bearer could be summoned. When I saw that cigarettes in that locked case were going for up to $10 a pack, I understood the security! I’ve been in some stores where due to theft, they put out only one of certain items on the shelf. Too many people taking the five-finger discount, and slipping merchandise into purse or pocket.

I hope that the Target store in my area doesn’t close. The malls are dead here, and I‘d hate to negotiate the huge beggar-infested parking lot and sketchy crowds at Walmart more often than I do!
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Walmart ALSO locks up the high value items that the thieves want to steal, and resell for drug money. JimB.
 
jimintoronto said:
Compare that to Canada, where we have ONE national criminal code, that applies in all parts of the country. Not a patchwork quilt of 50 different ones. JimB.
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Canada is not comprised of Sovereign States, like our Constitution outlines. States have the primary authority to pass the Criminal laws, however all must conform to our Constitution, that is uniform.
 
ohioboy said:
Canada is not comprised of Sovereign States, like our Constitution outlines. States have the primary authority to pass the Criminal laws, however all must conform to our Constitution, that is uniform.
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You are correct in a way. The Federal Government of Canada and the Members of the House of Commons is the source of laws that apply to the entire country, such as the Canadian Criminal Code. Each Province and Territory legislature CAN pass laws that only apply in that jurisdiction, such as the Alberta Mental Health Act, or the Nova Scotia Liquor Control Act. A hypothetical question for you to ponder.......If US States are Sovereign, can one of them decide to opt out of the country ? I think you know where I am going with this.......1861. JimB.
 
I think "crime' is a convenient foil for a store's closing. Yes, crime may be a factor, but if the store was producing good profits, regardless of the crime, they'd open one in Hell. Every time you click on Amazon means a lost sale to stores , like Target. Stores have developed a system where buyers can take merchandise off the shelves, themselves. The glitch in the system is that buyers and the merchandise can go right straight out the door. The mass raids on stores exploit this glitch. If stores continue to have unfettered access to their goods, thefts ARE going to happen.
 
Here in Toronto the Scotiabank Center, which is the home to the NHL's Toronto Maple Leafs, and the NBA's Raptors, will open a "no check out " system at 2 of it's food places, plus the team products stores in October of this year. The technology is simple. The customer has to scan a credit or debit card, before they can get through the security door. Once inside the customer can select any item, and as they leave, their card is debited for the items they bought. No cash accepted. NO cash register line ups, either. Obviously, if you don't take anything out the security door, you don't get charged for it. JimB.
 
Part of the problem is local policies alone leave repeat offenders on the street too long. A man in NYC was busted for shoplifting 46 times. This is old news

This ‘Man of Steal’ leads NYC’s record-shattering shoplifting surge with 46 arrests

But this is probably what's going on many of these cities. A lot of places have eliminated bail/the detention of arrestees which puts them right back out the street to repeat their crimes. Some do through policy not legislation/law.
 
Don M. said:
These cities that don't support the police, and just give the criminals a "slap on the wrist", will see fewer stores staying open.
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On the other hand, are you willing to pay tax increases to keep criminals locked up for a much longer time? It costs about $50,000/year to keep someone locked up. And the older prisoners get, the more the medical care costs. The US already operates the largest prison system in the world. If someone steals a $50 watch, do you want to lock him up for 3 years. costing tax payers $150,000. I'm not 'soft' on crime, but if we put people in jail and throw away the key, we are going to have to fork over a huge chunk of cash a lot to keep him there. I don't really know what the answer is.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
I think "crime' is a convenient foil for a store's closing. Yes, crime may be a factor, but if the store was producing good profits, regardless of the crime, they'd open one in Hell.
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Yes, I agree, I was reading yesterday that the statistics of loss from theft to sales has actually been fairly steady (around one and a half percent), but that stores that close from low profitability will use crime as their reason rather than saying it was from poor business decisions.
 
From what I saw on TV during the 2020 riots, Target stores were a favorite among the thieves and stores being burned. Around that same time, Target promised to invest $100,000,000 to advance Black-led nonprofits doing groundbreaking work and to advance racial equity and create racial equality. Think about that number for a few moments and let it sink in. Was it appreciated? It just seems like some companies can't do enough to please the low-life's we have living among us.

Who received the $100,000,000? If it went to BLM, I am sure they are thankful. The few at the top of the list are living very lavishly these days thanks to Target's generosity.
 
I was in a Target last week ... was looking for vitamins ...the whole aisle is a locked up case i am a label reader and would be comparing brands etc are they going to have an employee stand there for 15 minutes or so until i made my choice?

made no sense to me ... they had end caps with selections of vitamins whose regular home in store is locked up..... a person suggested i read all at home then come back to buy what i wanted .... i laughed and said if i wanted to do that i would just order online ........and NOT from Target !
 
Ah sad news, Target was preferred instead of Walmart, on our last away work contracts. I've two sets of Corel dishes and two (still in top shape) laundry baskets from Target plus one pair of white summer shoes and couple of summer dresses. An amazingly huge sewing kit which is used to this day.

Everywhere these days, people find jobs and then find them taken away due to misjudgment from the companies themselves, economy going down, prices going up... oh so many reasons but at the end of the day, too many people end up suffering these losses. So sad!
 

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