Tell me again why we're all wearing masks?

Becky1951 said:
I don't know where you live but I've seen others pick their noses and spit. Lots of men use smokeless tobacco, and they spit often.
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I'm in CA. I guess I'm fortunate to be shielded from such disgusting things. I've never seen anyone spit in public, but sometimes when I watch baseball, I'll see that round outline in a pitcher's back pocket. I assume that's a can of tobacco. The tar must really enhance breath & I'll bet the guy's wife just can't wait to kiss him. Ahhh......that mouth-watering taste of an old ashtray.........
 

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Seems like I come across many more men than women complaining about wearing masks. See many more adult men charging into stores bare faced than women. Even as women when we wear them we need to give up or change our make up so it doesn’t smear etc. Does it damage their sense of masculinity I wonder. And tho I like certain men’s sports teams,
they gross me out with all that spitting (when they’re not busy adjusting themselves) (even tho they aren’t supposed to “chaw ‘backy” any more.)
Do you ever see a female athlete spit? Almost never.
 

Geezerette said:
Seems like I come across many more men than women complaining about wearing masks. See many more adult men charging into stores bare faced than women. Even as women when we wear them we need to give up or change our make up so it doesn’t smear etc. Does it damage their sense of masculinity I wonder. And tho I like certain men’s sports teams,
they gross me out with all that spitting (when they’re not busy adjusting themselves) (even tho they aren’t supposed to “chaw ‘backy” any more.)
Do you ever see a female athlete spit? Almost never.
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I have to agree. I have seen men spit my whole life. Can't say for sure that any women do it or not. I have never seen a women do it that I can recall. Our stores will not let you in without a mask so they have no choice.
 
I'm not a fan of masks and never have. That said, I have a question for anyone these days that say they're wearing a mask to protect others from their sneeze or cough. Did you also wear a mask anytime you were suffering from a flu like or cold like symptom in the past? If not, why not? Seems like that would have been a good way to prevent others from catching anything from you.
Anyway, another peeve is the fact that few people know, or take the time to learn the proper procedure for a mask. (never mind that most masks do not offer real protection). Have you ever been to a hospital and watched the doctor making rounds in a virus ward? If so, you would know that everytime he or she leaves one patient, they will change out that mask for a fresh one before seeing the next patient. How many of you change your mask after every interaction with people and how many store people do you see change that mask after every customer?
 
katlupe said:
I have to agree. I have seen men spit my whole life. Can't say for sure that any women do it or not. I have never seen a women do it that I can recall. Our stores will not let you in without a mask so they have no choice.
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If you've seen men spit your whole life, there must be a lot of slobs around you.
 
Heck, even Jerry Steinfeld picked his nose while driving. I did not pick.....
Wife and I will both continue to wear mask because of age and health conditions. I hate them because they are so hot here in Florida, but feel the need to do it. Not hugging and shaking hands is the toughest for me. I do miss it.
 
The Washington Post has the best article I've read about the WHO announcement and resulting walk back. https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/09/asymptomatic-coronavirus-spread-who/

It appears that the representative was saying that people tracing infections have rarely found an asymptomatic person responsible for infections.

It also goes on to say that the asymptomatic designation was most likely being used in the strictest sense. They have other designations for people who infect others while not exhibiting symptoms. Some are pre-symptomatic because they haven't started to have symptoms when they infected someone but later showed symptoms. Others either have or eventually get symptoms which are not the main symptoms. Some of those people might only experience diarrhea and nothing else, but are not considered asymptomatic.

Like many other things in this world the situation is far from black and white and when people who use different definitions for the terms they're using communicate they're often miscommunicating.
 
So why did he walk it back? Did somebody get to him? Did he just make a mistake? Does he have an agenda? Why say it in the first place, then walk it back almost immediately? Something here stinks.
 
CarolfromTX said:
So why did he walk it back? Did somebody get to him? Did he just make a mistake? Does he have an agenda? Why say it in the first place, then walk it back almost immediately? Something here stinks.
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She not he.

Evidently she was answering a question from someone regarding contact tracing back to asymptomatic people. She answered it correctly that contact tracking back to asymptomatic people is very rare.

What she failed to do was say that the rare contact tracing back to asymptomatic people wouldn't include people who did not have symptoms at the time because they were either pre-symptomatic or symptomatic in non-standard ways.

The people who got back to her were saying that her communication didn't accurately reflect what we currently know.

Bottom line it is a large number of scientists working on Covid-19 still consider it very possible to be infected by someone who is not showing symptoms. I side with the large number of scientists myself, but feel free to do what works for you.
 
C’mon guys! Get yourself a nice white mask & some sort of rumpled green scrubs With nitrile gloves sticking out of the pocket & a little white hat & the girls might think you’re some Rich Doctor! Ben Casey or Dr Kildare!
 
Just so you know:

Current studies indicate "asymptomatic" people are less infectious than, but are infectious for a shorter period, compared to those with textbook COVID symptoms.

On average asymptomatic infected people are infectious for 8 days, compared to average for people who show symptoms of 19 days.

Stick in a couple of excursions to a crowded bar, a church service, or maybe having to go back to work at a supermarket check-out stand or DMV clerk job - and one could interface with an awful lot of people in 8 days........
 
win231 said:
I'm in CA. I guess I'm fortunate to be shielded from such disgusting things. I've never seen anyone spit in public, but sometimes when I watch baseball, I'll see that round outline in a pitcher's back pocket. I assume that's a can of tobacco. The tar must really enhance breath & I'll bet the guy's wife just can't wait to kiss him.
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Yeah, those homeless taking a crap on the city sidewalks is never disgusting.
 
Even when we speak, we are often spewing droplets which could be picked up. So, masks in public places are safety measures. I don't wear one out doors at all and breathe in nice fresh air all the time. I do keep a distance from anyone approaching even though I've recovered from COVID-19. Taking no chances. I am used to masks anyhow having been an OR nurse for years.
 
Lethe200 said:
Just so you know:

Current studies indicate "asymptomatic" people are less infectious than, but are infectious for a shorter period, compared to those with textbook COVID symptoms.

On average asymptomatic infected people are infectious for 8 days, compared to average for people who show symptoms of 19 days.

Stick in a couple of excursions to a crowded bar, a church service, or maybe having to go back to work at a supermarket check-out stand or DMV clerk job - and one could interface with an awful lot of people in 8 days........
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The more people who become infected, the population as a whole is building up its immune system and are able to deal with the virus than for those who were infected when it first hit. Some folks now are not even reporting being ill as they think they have a "bug" or a bad cold. Well yeah, they are bugs too, but they've been able to handle it. Fewer dying and more are recovering faster.
 
asp3 said:
Once again, the WHO official who reported that asymptomatic spreading was rare has walked back from that position. According to the report in the NY Times scientists at other organizations objected to her statement and provided a link to another widely cited paper https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0869-5 published in April that estimated that 44% of new infections were from asymptomatic people.

I agree that that was April and we're in June now, so things may have changed. However with the walk back by the official I'll be waiting for more reports before relaxing my efforts to improve my chances of not spreading it and not getting it.

Science is often an iterative process and I myself am not bothered by statements which contradict previous statements. It's all part of the way we gain knowledge about new things and situations.
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Don't you think though that one day, unless an effective vaccine is found soonish, you'll be infected whatever you do to avoid it, given the world cannot stay in lockdown or socially distanced forever? My guess is the virus will find its way around whatever measures are put in place, and even countries now said to be free, like NZ, will find that status hard to keep, and it will be a bigger burden trying in a orld where the virus cant be stopped completely, than if "herd immunity" were being formed, as here in the uk and in the USA.
 
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Judycat said:
When thinking about asymptomatic spreading most of us think about normal considerate people who catch their coughs and sneezes in their elbow. However, I have witnessed too many children and adults cough and sneeze openly without blocking their aerosols at all. Ick.
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Before masks were being worn, I, too, witnessed people coughing very hard without blocking it and way back in March a man lunged at me he coughed so hard--and right into my face. A few days later I had body aches for about a week. I don't know what the heck that was but I wasn't tested for anything. I had also gotten the flue shot last Nov. It scared me though when he coughed in my face...my reaction was "oh damn!"
 

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