Ten people shot at Mall in South Carolina!

Don M. said:
And then.....some judge has placed the shooter under "house arrest", with a bond of only $25K. He can even continue to go to work. There must either be a whole lot of information about his motivation that hasn't been made public yet, or the judge needs to be investigated.
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That sure sounds bizarre!

I can't imagine what other information could justify releasing some who had just shot a bunch of people...
 
3 multi victim shootings this weekend at a bar, party and mall by younger people settling a score. As noted above conflict resolution and coping skills are definitely lacking. It's that attitude. They are demanding 'respect' rather than earning it. Even worse is they expect it and people to give it to them after their actions. They're gangster all the way-"You look at me funny you die" or 'Don't let me have my way you die'. Basic intimidation from big butt hurt babies.
 
Alligatorob said:
That sure sounds bizarre!

I can't imagine what other information could justify releasing some who had just shot a bunch of people...
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He was only charged with unlawful possession of a weapon at this time, as his lawyer claimed he acted in self defense due to being shot at himself, not as the Principal. If he was taken in voluntarily for questioning that was his choice, if they took him in INvoluntarily without probable cause, that is an Arrest, whether or not so characterized. They probably took him in on the weapons charge with PC, questioned him on the self defense statement, then determined at that time there was not enough PC to charge otherwise.
 
As some of you know I'm American but I haven't lived in USA for many years. For me it is hard to imagine what is happening there with all the violence. I grew up in safe communities where we didn't even have to lock our doors. Especially sad is that the young people are that fullof hate for fellow human beings. I truly believe there is no answer to any problem that killing people will solve. May God bless America so we can all continue to Trust in God, as it says on the dollar. I wish all of you here on s.f. a good Easter Season with sunny days and freedom from fear. ✨🌸💐🐝🕊🐣🐥🐰🐇🐰🐥🐣🕊🐝💐🌸✨
 
ohioboy said:
He was only charged with unlawful possession of a weapon at this time, as his lawyer claimed he acted in self defense due to being shot at himself, not as the Principal. If he was taken in voluntarily for questioning that was his choice, if they took him in INvoluntarily without probable cause, that is an Arrest, whether or not so characterized. They probably took him in on the weapons charge with PC, questioned him on the self defense statement, then determined at that time there was not enough PC to charge otherwise.
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Thanks, your explanation makes some sense. Shows the hazards jumping to conclusions based on a limited news story.

Will be interesting to see how this one plays out.
 
Alligatorob said:
Thanks, your explanation makes some sense. Shows the hazards jumping to conclusions based on a limited news story.

Will be interesting to see how this one plays out.
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If arrested without a Warrant there must be a Probable Cause hearing/Arraignment within 48 hours. Could be he was charged with shooting people, but come Arraignment time those charges were dropped?
 
CNN)At least 10 mass shootings across the US this weekend left eight people dead and dozens injured, disrupting gatherings including an Easter celebration and a massive house party.
The shootings add to the year's increasing toll of mass shootings in the United States, which stands at 144, according to the Gun Violence Archive. The archive and CNN define a mass shooting as an incident in which four or more people are shot, not including the shooter.
The violent weekend follows a horrifying attack Tuesday on a Brooklyn subway train that left almost 30 people injured, including 10 shot.
Deadliest Mass Shootings in the US Fast Facts

Deadliest Mass Shootings in the US Fast Facts
Easy access to guns is considered by experts to be a root cause of gun violence, and open-carry states lower the barrier for people to own and carry guns in public. But the spike in violence across America since summer 2020 has been general, across cities and states with lax and strict gun laws, with progressive and conservative prosecutors, and with Republican and Democratic mayors and governors.
 
oldman said:
I never leave home without my weapon. Either the 9mm or the .380 ACP. I want to have a chance if the bullets start flying.
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Please don’t take this as a criticism. Being Canadian, I’m curious how or where you carry a gun when you walk into a store or restaurant. In the winter you’d have on a heavy coat, what about on an average hot summer day. Does it concern you when you notice others with a gun. Anyone can throw their two cents in on this.

P.S. I’ve owned many guns so I’m not unaware of size and weight.
 
Jules said:
Please don’t take this as a criticism. Being Canadian, I’m curious how or where you carry a gun when you walk into a store or restaurant. In the winter you’d have on a heavy coat, what about on an average hot summer day. Does it concern you when you notice others with a gun. Anyone can throw their two cents in on this.

P.S. I’ve owned many guns so I’m not unaware of size and weigh
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During the summer, I will either carry my weapon inside my waistband wearing an IWB holster with a shirt outside the waistband or carry it inside a pocket of cargo shorts. Not at all hard to conceal.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
Gee, why is it that nations with strict gun laws have virtually no mass shootings?
It must be something in the water.
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Duh, I think the answer is obvious and maybe we should have stricter gun laws, but the way the Supreme Court is headed, it may not be long until the 2nd amendment is gone or so weakened that we will only be able to carry a single shot Derringer. Then only the criminals will have the real guns.
 
Everyone talks about it but no one does anything. As Sonny and Cher used to sing, "The Beat Goes On." Stayed tune for the next one!

 
oldman said:
Duh, I think the answer is obvious and maybe we should have stricter gun laws, but the way the Supreme Court is headed, it may not be long until the 2nd amendment is gone or so weakened that we will only be able to carry a single shot Derringer. Then only the criminals will have the real guns.
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Maybe weakened, depending on the question presented by the Certiorari Petition, if granted? Once they Incorporate an Amendment, they have never reversed or unincorporated it. They have reversed prior decisions of course, but not dealing with applicability to the States. Let us assume for discussion purposes they did just that, my guess is not only public outcry would be substantial, but inferior Courts etc. would just ignore it. Reversing an Incorporated AM is the same as reversing any not in the BoR, that would take another Amendment, like prohibition abrogation.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
Gee, why is it that nations with strict gun laws have virtually no mass shootings?
It must be something in the water.
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It's true that these mass shootings are a tragedy, and need more attention from the authorities. However in spite of all the attention given to such acts by our media, the U.S. is still far safer than most of the poorer nations. In most of those nations, the people are too poor to own firearms....even if their nation allows it. As a result, criminal violence and political corruption makes just walking to the local store very risky.

https://www.statista.com/statistics...ith-the-most-murders-per-100-000-inhabitants/

Guns are the preferred "tool" among the criminals and mentally disturbed, but you can be sure that if they were banned, the criminals would still be armed, and the general public would suffer even more.
 
do not see the penchant for comparison to other smaller / less diverse countries and expect similar results ...
yes they have issues too but we do not constantly here about them.
It is not a item problem but a people problem ...... people seem to think laws or doing this cause ( insert country here ) will fix issues it does not.


The biggest thing about 2nd amendment is protection from a ever controlling tyrannical government if that was NOT obvious before ...
Covid sure showed that given an inch some would like to take it all. Far too many citizens in my opinion would be A-ok with someone else telling them everything they can do and making all decisions for them
 
Re:2A the legal understanding why the Founding Fathers included it in the BoR?

My belief is that they wanted to primarily provide for the people a means of defense against political tyranny.
Sure, it was also for the common defense against a military foe, and for personal defense. Seems to me the people that want to dissolve 2A, however complicated and unlikely the process, are politicians that have demonstrated their desire to control We The People.
 
If we take guns away from everybody will criminals still get guns?
I guess probably. But gun related deaths caused by criminals are an extremely small fraction of gun related deaths. 60% are suicides, and for almost the other 40%, the victim is known by the shooter. Suicidal people want a clean painless death, so guns are the preferred weapon. When New Zealand enacted strict gun control laws, the suicide rate for all types of causes dropped 10-20%. Through out the world, nations with lax gun control have more gun related, deaths. It's common sense, if more people have guns, the more they will use them.
 

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