Terrible U.S.A. Statistic. 68 Mass Shootings So Far This Year!

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That was as of yesterday. It's just horrible that these shootings are occurring at such an escalated rate. I feel for the children who sit in class and perhaps wonder if they'll get to go home that day. I feel for the parents who wonder if they'll see their child(ren) again. I feel so bad for those who have lost family members, friends and classmates to all this senseless violence.

I am concerned for the safety of my grandson who is in high school and my granddaughter who lives on campus and commutes to work and back is usually at night. She had started taking the Jitney since taking Uber each day got to be too expensive. There is no safe place anymore, not even in small middle class towns. How many times have we heard..."I never thought it could happen here" or words to that affect? I imagine we are moving to the top of the "don't travel to" list.

There doesn't seem to be an adequate solution for stopping these mass shootings? Is it realistic to think we can stop or at least reduce the number? Any ideas?
 

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OneEyedDiva said:
There doesn't seem to be an adequate solution for stopping these mass shootings? Is it realistic to think we can stop or at least reduce the number? Any ideas?
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In the 2022 case of New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen, the Court considered the constitutionality under the Second Amendment of a portion of New York’s firearms licensing scheme that restricts the carrying of certain licensed firearms outside the home. "In a 6-3 decision, the Court struck down New York’s requirement that an applicant for an unrestricted license to carry a handgun outside the home for self-defense must establish proper cause, ruling that the requirement is at odds with the Second Amendment." In doing so, the Court recognised that the Second Amendment protects a right that extends beyond the home and also clarified that the proper test for evaluating Second Amendment challenges to firearms laws is an approach rooted in text and the historical tradition of firearms regulation, rejecting a two-step methodology employed by many of the lower courts.

What that means is you can carry a firearm because the second amendment gives you the right to do so. New York tried to restrict the carrying of certain weapons but found itself at odds with the second amendment. There is no solution, what you need to see is a country where you never see a firearm, not even on a police officer. A change of culture is the only way and The Rifle & Pistol Association is a very powerful body indeed, they are not going to let that happen.
 
You have one political party that doesn't seem to care how many people are massacred. If we have much tougher gun laws and ban assault weapons, people would still have guns for hunting legally. Some of us want to stop gun violence, others seem to love the idea of the old west where everyone is armed to the teeth.
 

OneEyedDiva said:
There doesn't seem to be an adequate solution for stopping these mass shootings? Is it realistic to think we can stop or at least reduce the number? Any ideas?
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I don't see one... Not that we should just give up or stop trying, we shouldn't, its too important.

I believe it would help to gain a better understanding of the root causes and actual trends in these cases. As to why, I don't understand it but perhaps a better understanding would help us limit them. Actual trends are also important. I don't know how much of this is a real increase as opposed to an increased public awareness. It would be important to know better what is really happening. Either way we should be trying to stop it, but understanding should help us be more effective.
horseless carriage said:
you can carry a firearm because the second amendment gives you the right to do so. New York tried to restrict the carrying of certain weapons but found itself at odds with the second amendment. There is no solution, what you need to see is a country where you never see a firearm, not even on a police officer. A change of culture is the only way and The Rifle & Pistol Association is a very powerful body indeed, they are not going to let that happen.
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Within limits it does seem that our courts have interpreted the Second Amendment just this way. And given the number of folks here who support it I don't see our gun laws changing a whole lot in the near future, and probably not for a long time, if ever. As a result I am not sure the time and effort we spend debating and worrying over gun control is doing much good.

The reality forces us, at least near term, to look to solutions other than big changes in gun laws.
 
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I consider myself fortunate that I attended school back in a time when our biggest fear was that the Soviets were going to come and bomb the Bejesus out of us. I practiced duck and cover drills, and learned to cower under my desk, being led to believe that such would protect me from an atomic bomb. I never practiced an “active shooter” drill, or feared that another American armed to the teeth would come in to shoot us dead. Why would anyone do such a thing, after all? We were just children, and it was a school, where doors were unlocked, and anyone could come in…

I prefer the fears of my generation to the realities of this one…

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People are in an agitated state constantly. Perpetrating gun carrying rights only exacerbates the situation.
Nightly news shows us that if you want to be noticed, shoot someone...anyone. Your face will finally put you in the spotlight.

Where do we go from here? Focus more on the good, and not the evil occurrences. Initiate communication with our young people on the good things we do far outweigh any negative/spiteful/bullying/trying to regain self control by harming others.
Next question is when will this happen??? I have no idea.
 
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Just for informational purposes....my research says the US FBI definition of "mass shooting" is 4 or more shot AND killed. The media standard is 4 shot OR killed. Either way "mass" is 4. I am not minimizing these tragedies in any way. But, I was surprised a few years ago at the definition of mass.
 
These mass shootings seem to come in two varieties: 1) Gang related and 2) Suicidal people where the shooter wants to take as many people with him as possible.

Both are societal problems. Too many people have no hope for a good future.
 
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fuzzybuddy said:
If you flood the nation with weapons, why do you believe people won't use them?
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The more guns there are in society the more gun violence there is. International studies of high-income countries typically find that firearm availability is positively correlated with firearm homicide and usually overall homicide: Grinshteyn & Hemenway, 2016 American Journal of Medicine, in press. Comparisons between the United States and the United Kingdom make this abundantly clear.

The rate of gun ownership is 3.3 per 100 people in the UK, compared with the US rate of 101, which is thirty times higher.
The annual rate of gun homicide per 100,000 of the population is currently 0.03 in Great Britain. This compares with 3.6 in the USA, a rate that is 120-fold greater. The total firearms death rate is 51 times higher in the US than in the UK.

In the US some two thirds of homicides, 67% involve a gun, while in the UK the figure is approximately 5%.
There were 5,800 handgun homicides in the US in 2013. In the same year in the UK, where handguns are prohibited - fewer than 20 murders involved a handgun.

Those statistics might be interpreted as boasting, far from it, 20 murders involving a hand gun is twenty too many. The reason for outlining the US gun related deaths is simply that it needs a sea change to reduce the gun mortality figures. Giving up your weapon(s) means that you have to trust that others have done the same, not an easy option.
 
Nathan said:
That's a logical statement, but more and more the reactionary cult that's rapidly growing in this country doesn't recognize common sense and logic.
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Yes I know and it is so sad. My wife and I have visited the US more than sixty times but following a gun related incident, that was a close call, we haven't been back in over ten years. It pains me, simply because we were welcomed wherever we went. I really do love America, but that incident spooked me.
 
I don't understand any of this. I have carried a pistol for over 50 years and only ever shot 2 people in the line of duty, but didn't kill them. Most of us that were in VN shot and killed other men. It's a terrible thing to live with knowing that you sent someone's father, husband, uncle to his grave. I still remember my first one and every so often, I see his face. It's not a good feeling. I don't feel any regret, shame or guilt because of the circumstances, but it still bothers me now and then. He looked at me square in the face just before I pulled the trigger.

How someone walks into a grocery store, restaurant, bar or whatever and opens fire, I don't understand how they can do that. What did any of those people ever do to you? What made you so mad that you thought killing a bunch of people would help you feel better? What made you do it? It's a very selfish, evil act of vengeance. No one has the right to do that.
 
In 2015, the US ranked 11th in the world for mass shootings, according to this chart:

Average (Mean) Annual Death Rate per Million People from Mass Public Shootings:​


  1. Norway — 1.888
  2. Serbia — 0.381
  3. France — 0.347
  4. Macedonia — 0.337
  5. Albania — 0.206
  6. Slovakia — 0.185
  7. Switzerland — 0.142
  8. Finland — 0.132
  9. Belgium — 0.128
  10. Czech Republic — 0.123
  11. United States — 0.089
  12. Austria — 0.068
  13. Netherlands — 0.051
  14. Canada — 0.032
  15. England — 0.027
  16. Germany — 0.023
  17. Russia — 0.012
  18. Italy — 0.009
website: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/mass-shootings-by-country

I don't know where it stands in 2023; I didn't find anything more current.
 
Murrmurr said:
In 2015, the US ranked 11th in the world for mass shootings, according to this chart:

Average (Mean) Annual Death Rate per Million People from Mass Public Shootings:​


  1. Norway — 1.888
  2. Serbia — 0.381
  3. France — 0.347
  4. Macedonia — 0.337
  5. Albania — 0.206
  6. Slovakia — 0.185
  7. Switzerland — 0.142
  8. Finland — 0.132
  9. Belgium — 0.128
  10. Czech Republic — 0.123
  11. United States — 0.089
  12. Austria — 0.068
  13. Netherlands — 0.051
  14. Canada — 0.032
  15. England — 0.027
  16. Germany — 0.023
  17. Russia — 0.012
  18. Italy — 0.009
website: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/mass-shootings-by-country

I don't know where it stands in 2023; I didn't find anything more current.
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Found this for 2023 for mass shootings.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/mass-shootings-by-country
 
Murrmurr said:
In 2015, the US ranked 11th in the world for mass shootings, according to this chart:

Average (Mean) Annual Death Rate per Million People from Mass Public Shootings:​


  1. Norway — 1.888
  2. Serbia — 0.381
  3. France — 0.347
  4. Macedonia — 0.337
  5. Albania — 0.206
  6. Slovakia — 0.185
  7. Switzerland — 0.142
  8. Finland — 0.132
  9. Belgium — 0.128
  10. Czech Republic — 0.123
  11. United States — 0.089
  12. Austria — 0.068
  13. Netherlands — 0.051
  14. Canada — 0.032
  15. England — 0.027
  16. Germany — 0.023
  17. Russia — 0.012
  18. Italy — 0.009
website: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/mass-shootings-by-country

I don't know where it stands in 2023; I didn't find anything more current.
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That data was from a pro-gun organization. Read the rest of the article you posted the link to.
 
In the past year, or so, it's a rare day when a shooting in a pubic place doesn't occur. Juat going to a grocery store or shopping center, etc. in some of the major cities is a risk.
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People cherry-pick data to support their worldview. Bleh. It's surprising there aren't even more mass shootings.
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