Terrible U.S.A. Statistic. 68 Mass Shootings So Far This Year!

I have several guns, pistols and rifles. I promise never to involve myself in a mass shooting, unless someone fires at me first and the all bets are off. I shot a man not long ago while he was robbing a couple. I still never got my gun back and doubt I ever will. In fact, it’s probably already been melted or sold or in some politician’s collection.
 

Nosy Bee-54 said:
Okay but the difference is that in the US, it's a free for all. The right to have a gun no matter what based on the 2nd Amendment. In countries like Switzerland, there are restrictions/preventative measures to prevent misuse. Those measures would not be acceptable in the US.
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Preventing misuse and children being massacred in the classrooms is not acceptable?
Listen to how your words sound to people from otherwise likeminded countries.
 
win231 said:
Of course. If you put a gun in someone's hands, the gun takes over their mind & turns them into mass murderers.

:ROFLMAO:
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If you intend to kill as many people as possible in one day, a semi automatic would be a handy tool. Mass poisonings are much harder to pull off.
 
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ArnoldC said:
Control or eliminate access to ammunition. Then a gun becomes an expensive and fancy paperweight or boat anchor.

Citizens can own all the guns they want. It'll just be illegal to own ammunition for them.
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Wouldn't bother me. I make my own ammunition. And it's better than anything I can buy. :giggle:
 
win231 said:
Of course. If you put a gun in someone's hands, the gun takes over their mind & turns them into mass murderers.
Happens to me every time I touch a gun.

:ROFLMAO:
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Yeah, me too. I wound a guy while a crime is in progress and I’m the felon, or at least I’m being treated that way. After I shot the man, didn’t kill him, the lady who was with her male companion,, immediately dropped to her knees and began crying hysterically. I think she was scared to death.
 
Definitions of mass murder make a substantial difference in which incidents are counted. Depending on which data source is used, there were between six and 503 mass shootings in the United States in 2019

Another definitional disagreement is whether to include multiple-victim shooting incidents that occur in connection with some other crime or domestic dispute. Because mass shootings that stem from domestic and gang violence are contextually distinct from high-fatality indiscriminate killings in public venues, some analysts have argued that they should be treated separately.
 
squatting dog said:
Definitions of mass murder make a substantial difference in which incidents are counted. Depending on which data source is used, there were between six and 503 mass shootings in the United States in 2019

Another definitional disagreement is whether to include multiple-victim shooting incidents that occur in connection with some other crime or domestic dispute. Because mass shootings that stem from domestic and gang violence are contextually distinct from high-fatality indiscriminate killings in public venues, some analysts have argued that they should be treated separately.
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Yes. From the way they fudge the numbers, you'd think they were talking about Covid deaths.
 
Murrmurr said:
"..... what is causing Americans to be mentally sicker and more drug addled than Aussies, Kiwis, Brits and Canadians?"

If I knew the answer to that I'd probably know how to solve the problem. I'm telling you that I don't think it's guns. That's my opinion on the matter.
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There is no answer, because it was a rhetorical question. Americans are no sicker nor are they more drug addicted than other countries. The bleeding obvious is that they have almost unfettered access to the most lethal weapons that the gun manufacturers can make and sell. That is the hub, the crux and the kernel of the problem.
 
Nosy Bee-54 said:
Okay but the difference is that in the US, it's a free for all. The right to have a gun no matter what based on the 2nd Amendment. In countries like Switzerland, there are restrictions/preventative measures to prevent misuse. Those measures would not be acceptable in the US.
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Erroneously based on 2nd Amendment and it is American attitudes that have made it so difficult to institute reasonable gun laws. We have to jump thru more hoops to for a drivers license. And don't use the 'people' don't follow those laws--some do, some don't--the thing is it is important to have consequences on the books for those that don't.
 
Murrmurr said:
"..... what is causing Americans to be mentally sicker and more drug addled than Aussies, Kiwis, Brits and Canadians?"

If I knew the answer to that I'd probably know how to solve the problem. I'm telling you that I don't think it's guns. That's my opinion on the matter.
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It isn't the guns--it is our (USA) attitudes toward and irresponsibility with them.
 
Warrigal said:
Preventing misuse and children being massacred in the classrooms is not acceptable?
Listen to how your words sound to people from otherwise likeminded countries.
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For me, misuse includes the fact that people will call themselves 'responsible gun owners' but not take the necessary precautions to keep them out of the hands of very young (the number of 'accidental gun deaths' that occur in this country with gun in the hand of someone under 8 yrs old is disturbing--and the stats are probably skewed by lumping those incidents in with all others and not applying any consequences to the adult owner of the gun.
 
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feywon said:
It isn't the guns--it is our (USA) attitudes toward and irresponsibility with them.
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Exactly right. The moment you let a teenager hold a gun, you will see their true character. And you might not like what you see. The one thing they'll immediately recognize is that a gun feels powerful, and they'll either fear it, respect it, or wield it; nothing else. That's why we have age limits on sales.

Actually, this is true of anyone who doesn't have any experience with firearms, or who's never been familiarized with them...and by that I mean, never heard "the lecture."

Certain people's attitude toward handguns in particular has become ridiculously and frighteningly casual over the past 20 years or so. Handguns came to represent a certain persona, and not a right to protect yourself and your loved ones but a right to erase your perceived enemies; someone you think disrespected you, who fired you from your job, challenged your manhood, took your stuff, your lady, your parking spot.

In my very firm opinion, this is a social ill. And I have a strong opinion about its origin. I don't know of any way to solve the problem except to start with an in-depth study and then create a solid plan. This has been suggested in congress, but I suspect it hasn't been done because they are afraid such an approach would be perceived as racial and discriminatory (and they'd lose their seat). That's tragic, because it would be so informative. And there's no better tool to solving the problem than information.
 
Warrigal said:
There is no answer, because it was a rhetorical question. Americans are no sicker nor are they more drug addicted than other countries. The bleeding obvious is that they have almost unfettered access to the most lethal weapons that the gun manufacturers can make and sell. That is the hub, the crux and the kernel of the problem.
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No. The crux of the problem is what's going on in people's minds.
 
Murrmurr said:
The thing to do about it is to thoroughly examine why nut-jobs are shooting people up, then get input from top-tier mental health experts about solutions, and fund those solutions.
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One of the reasons for the growing crime problem in our cities is a belief on the part of some DAs that criminal behavior can be corrected with counseling, so back on the street to rob someone else. Sorry but I doubt potential gun murderers can be stopped with the same mental solutions — solutions that would be even more difficult to apply since how would we select the recipients and force them into a likely useless treatment?
 
ElCastor said:
One of the reasons for the growing crime problem in our cities is a belief on the part of some DAs that criminal behavior can be corrected with counseling, so back on the street to rob someone else. Sorry but I doubt potential gun murderers can be stopped with the same mental solutions — solutions that would be even more difficult to apply since how would we select the recipients and force them into a likely useless treatment?
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I'm not suggesting the same solutions, i.e., mental health counseling. IMO, the US has the worst mental health services in the entire civilized world.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
There doesn't seem to be an adequate solution for stopping these mass shootings? Is it realistic to think we can stop or at least reduce the number? Any ideas?
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There's a lack in our (USA) society
Mercy
kindness
tenderness
forgiveness
The genuine stuff, not just words

Seems the mentally unstable lack greatly in forgiving and receiving forgiveness
They seem to carry a lot of baggage there

Ever look in the face of a troubled person when you send a few tender words their direction?
They seem to pick up on whether or not they are genuine

Doesn't take much effort
but
It can be load lifting
 
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Gary O' said:
There's a lack in our (USA) society
Mercy
kindness
tenderness
forgiveness
The genuine stuff, not just words

Seems the mentally unstable lack greatly in forgiving and receiving forgiveness
They seem to carry a lot of baggage there

Ever look in the face of a troubled person when you send a few tender words their direction?
They seem to pick up on whether or not they are genuine

Doesn't take much effort
but
It can be load lifting
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As I said in another post, the DAs in many of our big cities have substituted counseling and presumably kindness for jail or prison time. The result, not nice.
 
Murrmurr said:
Exactly right. The moment you let a teenager hold a gun, you will see their true character. And you might not like what you see. The one thing they'll immediately recognize is that a gun feels powerful, and they'll either fear it, respect it, or wield it; nothing else. That's why we have age limits on sales.

Actually, this is true of anyone who doesn't have any experience with firearms, or who's never been familiarized with them...and by that I mean, never heard "the lecture."

Certain people's attitude toward handguns in particular has become ridiculously and frighteningly casual over the past 20 years or so. Handguns came to represent a certain persona, and not a right to protect yourself and your loved ones but a right to erase your perceived enemies; someone you think disrespected you, who fired you from your job, challenged your manhood, took your stuff, your lady, your parking spot.

In my very firm opinion, this is a social ill. And I have a strong opinion about its origin. I don't know of any way to solve the problem except to start with an in-depth study and then create a solid plan. This has been suggested in congress, but I suspect it hasn't been done because they are afraid such an approach would be perceived as racial and discriminatory (and they'd lose their seat). That's tragic, because it would be so informative. And there's no better tool to solving the problem than information.
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"Erase an enemy who took your lady." Brought back a memory for me: :giggle:
40 years ago, when I found out my wife was cheating on me. I started divorce proceedings. The guy she cheated with was the real estate agent who sold us our house. He was married with 3 young kids.
Several months earlier, my ex hung one of my silhouette targets from one of my competitions up in the garage. Apparently, my ex & her guy entered the house through the garage. I got a phone call from him. The conversation:

Him: "Hi, I'm Steve."

Me: "Yes, I know who you are; you're the guy with no class or character."

Him: "Well, maybe, but I'm concerned."

Me: "Concerned about whether I'll tell your wife you're a cheater? Don't concern yourself; you probably deserve each other."

Him: "That's not what I'm concerned about. I'm concerned about my life."

Me: "Why tell me that?"

Him: "Well, I saw your target in the garage & I'm afraid I'll look like it; it's got really big holes in it."

Me: (laughing) "You weren't concerned while you were boinking my wife, but you're concerned now? You have nothing to worry about for three reasons:
1: You can have her all to yourself; we're divorcing.
2: You can't possibly think you're worth me spending several years in prison; I have better ways to spend my time; besides, I actually feel sorry for you.
3: I use high-quality ammunition & it costs $.50 per shot. You aren't worth $.50."

Him: "I guess I deserve that."

Me: "Yes, you do."
 
Warrigal said:
There is no answer, because it was a rhetorical question. Americans are no sicker nor are they more drug addicted than other countries. The bleeding obvious is that they have almost unfettered access to the most lethal weapons that the gun manufacturers can make and sell. That is the hub, the crux and the kernel of the problem.
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The US accounts for <5% of the world’s population but 83.1% of the global volume of ADHD medications [35]. Stimulants are also employed for non-ADHD indications (Table 1) which may also be expanding. The US Territories are often overlooked in pharmacoepidemiological research. Therefore, the first objective was to expand upon earlier pharmacoepidemiological reports [1–3, 10, 36–41] and evaluate any changes in stimulants in the US in the last decade. Our second objective was to characterize any regional or ethnic differences in the use of these agents.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/ar...e US accounts for <5,of ADHD medications [35].
 

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