Farrah Nuff
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The global decline in male testosterone levels; is it really a problem?
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dobielvr
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oldaunt
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100% cotton STILL better be 100% cotton.
Pecos
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I will tell you what happened to me over the three years where my testosterone was suppressed. I was fairly muscular into my 70’s and had little fat on me. The reduction in testosterone:
- Brought hot flashes, oh yes that was wild.
- Stripped a lot of muscle off of me.
- Added nearly two inches to my waist and all of that was fat. I went from 34 to 36.
- and I was tired.
When those female hormones left my system:
- The fat came off my waist without me making any special effort.
- I stopped having hot flashes. (You ladies have my sympathy.)
- Muscle has been slowly returning,
- and I have more energy.
- Brought hot flashes, oh yes that was wild.
- Stripped a lot of muscle off of me.
- Added nearly two inches to my waist and all of that was fat. I went from 34 to 36.
- and I was tired.
When those female hormones left my system:
- The fat came off my waist without me making any special effort.
- I stopped having hot flashes. (You ladies have my sympathy.)
- Muscle has been slowly returning,
- and I have more energy.
ElCastor
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Is a declining birth rate a product of declining testosterone? Not a chance. My step mother was one of 16 children in an Oregon farm family. Many factors other than testosterone were
responsible for the size of that family, but the main one was financial security in old age — there was no Social Security, so many relied on a large number of children to care for them in their old age, and to provide productive hands in the farm or business. So how have times changed? …
* Social Security, savings, and a tax system that promises prosperity in old age.
* Children that have become an enormous expense in preparation for and fulfillment of 4 years of college.
* Inexpensive, but very effective means of birth control.
What is the result? A fertility rate in a developed world that is insufficient to maintain a country’s population, let alone support growth. What role does testosterone play in this process of very real developed world population decline — Nothing!
responsible for the size of that family, but the main one was financial security in old age — there was no Social Security, so many relied on a large number of children to care for them in their old age, and to provide productive hands in the farm or business. So how have times changed? …
* Social Security, savings, and a tax system that promises prosperity in old age.
* Children that have become an enormous expense in preparation for and fulfillment of 4 years of college.
* Inexpensive, but very effective means of birth control.
What is the result? A fertility rate in a developed world that is insufficient to maintain a country’s population, let alone support growth. What role does testosterone play in this process of very real developed world population decline — Nothing!
David777
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Interesting video but am very suspicious of how it is being interpreted. So did some web searching and noted some medical pages seem to relate levels are not normally tested during annual physical blood tests unless a person has issues. Otherwise all the supplement pill blabbering is likely a thing with body builders and those of limited other sports. I need to dig out some of my old blood tests and see if I've ever been tested? Links do seem to point out it is mainly an issue with current young men. One could expect those in studies are rarely sampling men from third world areas that might otherwise show it is only those in Westernized nations where culture and especially over seksualized media likely have effects as well as diet.
Liked reading how eating meat has affects since am not a fan of excessive modern meat based diets. Also noted married men tended to be lower at least in older generations that could point to levels of regular seksual activity regardless of what, that arguable were lower for many men single religious oriented men decades ago. Another issue may be how many modern Western men are not involved in regular strenuous activities like chopping wood etc and instead sit on couches tube watching elite sports men. Instead I've been outdoors climbing and hiking up mountains and skiing.
The fact I've been aging slowly could point to a more consistent homeostatic level of all my body chemicals. Have avoided taking drugs and supplements my whole life as well as any drugs or substances like caffeine, alcohol, nicotine. My father of French ancestry was a hairy ape and one of my 5 brothers like him. Probably a factor of why he became bald early. I'm more the opposite maybe a tad below normal from my maternal parentage side that am fine with. Beyond looking at old lab sheets as a curiosity, this is not an issue I have interest in engaging in.
https://www.smartglobalhealth.org/testosterone-blood-test-results/
Liked reading how eating meat has affects since am not a fan of excessive modern meat based diets. Also noted married men tended to be lower at least in older generations that could point to levels of regular seksual activity regardless of what, that arguable were lower for many men single religious oriented men decades ago. Another issue may be how many modern Western men are not involved in regular strenuous activities like chopping wood etc and instead sit on couches tube watching elite sports men. Instead I've been outdoors climbing and hiking up mountains and skiing.
The fact I've been aging slowly could point to a more consistent homeostatic level of all my body chemicals. Have avoided taking drugs and supplements my whole life as well as any drugs or substances like caffeine, alcohol, nicotine. My father of French ancestry was a hairy ape and one of my 5 brothers like him. Probably a factor of why he became bald early. I'm more the opposite maybe a tad below normal from my maternal parentage side that am fine with. Beyond looking at old lab sheets as a curiosity, this is not an issue I have interest in engaging in.
https://www.smartglobalhealth.org/testosterone-blood-test-results/
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This is the way they will look at it too.
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This is why a lot of scientists and doctors say that too low is as dangerous as too high; low testosterone causes chronic fatigue, depression, whacked out insulin levels and high cholesterol, and too much causes high cholesterol, and also impulsivity, rage, enlarged breasts, and whacked out blood pressure.
Murrmurr
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I'm not quite sure if I understand you correctly....are you saying the Sabine's data sources are questionable? Or questioning how the people who did the studies interpreted their data?
I totally agree that food and activity are huge factors, and more-so the type of activities than the amount of activity, imo. I'm reasonably healthy for my age aside from old injuries from a serious fall and a minor genetic deformity in my spine. I never get the flu and don't remember the last time I had a cold, so my immune system seems pretty robust. I credit my diet, and especially the diet I grew up on. I do smoke but my chest xrays always look "unremarkable" for my age...well-used, but ok, I guess. (Still, I recently cut my smoking by over 50%.)
Murrmurr
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Testosterone has way more to do with physical changes during puberty than it does virility, sekshual identity, and sperm count. I think a lot of people are confused about that.
bingo
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yeah...why?..there are law suits right now..just google bpa in athletic wear..it'll pop up...
there's lots of stuff they're putting in product we don't know about......Nestlé...Kraft and Pepsi...have been using an aborted fetal kidney molecule since 2002...for flavor enhancements...a quick search will show this too
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oldaunt
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Perhaps another reason for the big push for abortion as birth control?
The global decline in male testosterone levels; is it really a problem?
Yeah, I haven't noticed either
Stop this lie RIGHT NOW!
https://www.reuters.com/article/fac...not-contain-aborted-fetal-cells-idUSL1N2OR1O3
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...d-companies-are-not-selling-products-contain/
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/senomyx-flavor-additive/
Really, Shame on You! I'm shocked, at you and anyone who spreads this shit. Quit it.
Alligatorob
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What a bizarre thing. Why would anyone make up such an unbelievable story?
Rob. The Anti Choice advocates will spread any lie they can make up. Sick bunch. This type of misinformation has a welcoming home at that other forum which will remain nameless.
bingo
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i was ready for this venom...vulgar language....you chose your beliefs and fact checkers...i will choose for myself...has nothing to do with anti this or that...just bio engineered food products
Of course you are ready! You must have encountered the truth on many occasions and chose to ignore it. Choose your beliefs, who cares? Choosing Facts is a different matter. You are being too ridiculous to waste any more time on. Ciao.
Alligatorob
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Do you have a fact checker who verifies this story? Truth is best.
I have a hard time believing a company would do this, they must know how much uproar it would create. But if true it would be interesting to know.
bingo
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Nestlé...Kraft and Pepsi...have been using an aborted fetal kidney molecule since 2002...for flavor enhancements...
Pepsi sells several billions of cans of soda annually
small as they are, that's a lot of aborted fetal kidney molecules
.....and where is this being done?
Let me guess
Wuhan
On a serious note;
Wife and I are eating more from our garden
Still
I have a concern about fertilizer
It might be bullshit
I have a hard time believing they could
Pepsi sells several billions of cans of soda annually
small as they are, that's a lot of aborted fetal kidney molecules
.....and where is this being done?
Let me guess
Wuhan
On a serious note;
Wife and I are eating more from our garden
Still
I have a concern about fertilizer
It might be bullshit
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fuzzybuddy
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I think David777brought up a good observation-that the data may be skewed, due to limited data base, because nobody tests for testosterone levels if there's no medical reason. It's like testing diabetics to see if they have diabetes.
Aneeda72
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Not a good comparison, diabetics are tested every 3 months; basically to see what their A1C is and if they still are diabetic
bingo
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Senomyx...a company out of California that specializes in the use of bio engineered products filed for patent
in 2002...was given patent...many companies use this bio engineered molecule...
fetal tissue has been used many years in vaccine production ...cosmetic industry...candy...gum..
etc...ain't nothing new