The Hidden Tribes of America: 2018 report

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The below, well crafted 2018 report will be a structural revelation, to those patient enough to actually read through it, instead of being confused within societal complexities. Members will better understand the current Maslov Pyramid of Needs thread, Level 3 discussion by reading this. Within the 7 groups, I fit my own life as being in the center as Politically Disengaged where 26% of people fit. Worse, I am not only personally disengaged politically, I strongly dislike much of what those tribes that are engaged do at both ends and rather just want to hide from their world while living out my own life. I first brought this report up in 2021 with a previous 2024 SF post I made about this:

A lot of people can’t discuss things in a civil manner any more.

Link to the The Hidden Tribes of America report PDF download page:

The Hidden Tribes of America

The below is its summary heading:

Our research concludes that we have become a set of tribes, with different codes, values, and even facts. In our public debates, it seems that we no longer just disagree. We reject each other’s premises and doubt each other’s motives. We question each other’s character. We block our ears to diverse perspectives. At home, polarization is souring personal relationships, ruining Thanksgiving dinners, and driving families apart.

We are experiencing these divisions in our workplaces, neighborhood groups, even our places of worship. In the media, pundits score points, mock opponents, and talk over each other. On the Internet, social media has become a hotbed of outrage, takedowns, and cruelty—often targeting total strangers.

But this can change. A majority of Americans, whom we’ve called the "Exhausted Majority," are fed up by America’s polarization. They know we have more in common than that which divides us: our belief in freedom, equality, and the pursuit of the American dream. They share a deep sense of gratitude that they are citizens of the United States. They want to move past our differences.

Turning the tide of tribalism is possible―but it won’t be easy. Americans have real differences and real disagreements with each other. We must be able to listen to each other to understand those differences and find common ground. That’s the focus of the Hidden Tribes project: to understand better what is pulling us apart, and find what can bring us back together.
 
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Saying that if people don’t read all of this crap suggests that they aren’t intelligent is the same thing that politicians have used to intimidate certain groups or races of people.
If you don’t believe what I’m saying then you aren’t really educated or you’re not black enough.
I have to tell you right away that who ever wrote the article lost my interest right away because they couldn’t come up with a better term of describing the differences in people than to call them “tribes.”
I for one am voting this article off the island!
 
I didn't actually state what you wrote but for sake of clarity, have changed it to state "...patient..."

What I wrote doesn't say "they aren't intelligent" as I did not address them. Rather I intended it to mean, it essentially for those capable of reading it in a thorough fashion given it is lengthy and involving a complex societal group of issues, it will be revealing as a different way looking at the structure of our US American society.

There are some people that will not read such long articles that is primarily about lack of knowledgeable familiarity with these societal issues and lack of patience, not lack of intelligence. Many today on the web, given reading at length is on a decline, won't even read any posts more than a couple sentences that is more an attitude behavior.
 
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Well, I'm up at 4:30 am so I'll give it a whirl.
Without reading first it sounds like a podcast I've been listening to for a long time. They are starting to address the fact that individuals from said tribes need to talk to each other openly on social media settings without fear of retribution.
We should not be fighting each other. We should be fighting, well, possibly, evil.
 
David777 said:
The below, well crafted 2018 report will be a structural revelation, to those intelligent enough to actually read through it, instead of being confused within societal complexities. Members will better understand the current Maslov Pyramid of Needs thread, Level 3 discussion by reading this. Within the 7 groups, I fit my own life as being in the center as Politically Disengaged where 26% of people fit. Worse, I am not only personally disengaged politically, I strongly dislike much of what those tribes that are engaged do at both ends and rather just want to hide from their world while living out my own life. I first brought this report up in 2021 with a previous 2024 SF post I made about this:

A lot of people can’t discuss things in a civil manner any more.

Link to the The Hidden Tribes of America report PDF download page:

The Hidden Tribes of America

The below is its summary heading:

Our research concludes that we have become a set of tribes, with different codes, values, and even facts. In our public debates, it seems that we no longer just disagree. We reject each other’s premises and doubt each other’s motives. We question each other’s character. We block our ears to diverse perspectives. At home, polarization is souring personal relationships, ruining Thanksgiving dinners, and driving families apart.

We are experiencing these divisions in our workplaces, neighborhood groups, even our places of worship. In the media, pundits score points, mock opponents, and talk over each other. On the Internet, social media has become a hotbed of outrage, takedowns, and cruelty—often targeting total strangers.

But this can change. A majority of Americans, whom we’ve called the "Exhausted Majority," are fed up by America’s polarization. They know we have more in common than that which divides us: our belief in freedom, equality, and the pursuit of the American dream. They share a deep sense of gratitude that they are citizens of the United States. They want to move past our differences.

Turning the tide of tribalism is possible―but it won’t be easy. Americans have real differences and real disagreements with each other. We must be able to listen to each other to understand those differences and find common ground. That’s the focus of the Hidden Tribes project: to understand better what is pulling us apart, and find what can bring us back together.
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Define " The American Dream".
 
hearlady said:
Well, I'm up at 4:30 am so I'll give it a whirl.
Without reading first it sounds like a podcast I've been listening to for a long time. They are starting to address the fact that individuals from said tribes need to talk to each other openly on social media settings without fear of retribution.
We should not be fighting each other. We should be fighting, well, possibly, evil.
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Define "Evil". Seriously.
 
Defining terms such as "evil" and "good" is, IMO, not simple. Perhaps that is a rather "loaded" question. Is taking another's life evil? Most would say yes but the word "except" will almost always follow. Capital punishment comes to mind. Certain religious and political factions, pregnancy terminations, the list goes on. Wars are fought over this.
 
hearlady said:
I think you two should carry on with that conversation.
Seems right up yall's alley.
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No thank you. There are a few here who love to carry on pages and pages of rhetoric, with the desire to Win and it usually begins with that sort of question. I am at a time in my life where if someone wants to argue a worthless point, they can take it somewhere else. That's why I called it a loaded question. I was trying to point that out.
 
@Dybbuk >>>"...Define..."

As I wrote in the OP "The below is its summary heading:" Those terms are at the start of the page containing the link to the PDF article, not my words that would be obvious immediately to anyone using the link provided. My inputs are above that point.

As a new SF member you would not be familiar with how I structure my posts that have snippets from elsewhere. I am careful to ALWAYS provide references to areas of posts that are on links elsewhere. So one will not need to wonder if post text is mine or from elsewhere. Welcome to our SF forum.
 
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David777 said:
@Dybbuk >>>"...Define..."

As I wrote in the OP "The below is its summary heading:" Those terms are at the start of the page containing the link to the PDF article, not my words that would be obvious immediately to anyone using the link provided. My inputs are above that point.
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Fine! But --- what IS the "American Dream"? Bear in mind that I'm not American, and have my own European based thoughts on what the "finestkind" of society should be, so what IS the American dream?
 
Looks like some SF member (not mr dave this Friday) is going to need to do some reading to find out the specific meaning as used, for what the PDF article refers to as the American Dream.
 
David777 said:
Looks like some SF member (not mr dave this Friday) is going to need to do some reading to find out the specific meaning as used, for what the PDF article refers to as the American Dream.
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I'll do it, Mr. Dave. :giggle:

According to AI:
The “American Dream” is the idea that anyone in the United States can achieve success, security, and upward mobility through hard work, determination, and opportunity — regardless of where they started in life.

The phrase became especially well known after historian and writer James Truslow Adams used it in his 1931 book The Epic of America. He described it as a vision of a society where life could be “better and richer and fuller for everyone.”

Common elements people associate with the American Dream include:
  • Owning a home
  • Having a stable job or successful career
  • Financial independence
  • Raising a family safely
  • Access to education and opportunity
  • Freedom and individual rights
  • The ability to improve one’s social or economic status
The meaning has changed over time. For some people today, it focuses more on personal freedom, work-life balance, or happiness rather than just wealth or homeownership. Others argue the dream has become harder to achieve because of rising housing costs, student debt, healthcare expenses, and income inequality.
 
David777 said:
I didn't actually state what you wrote but for sake of clarity, have changed it to state "...patient..."

What I wrote doesn't say "they aren't intelligent" as I did not address them. Rather I intended it to mean, it essentially for those capable of reading it in a thorough fashion given it is lengthy and involving a complex societal group of issues, it will be revealing as a different way looking at the structure of our US American society.

There are some people that will not read such long articles that is primarily about lack of knowledgeable familiarity with these societal issues and lack of patience, not lack of intelligence. Many today on the web, given reading at length is on a decline, won't even read any posts more than a couple sentences that is more an attitude behavior.
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Sorry if I misunderstood but I feel like people are more complexed than what your tribes indicate.
Seems like people from countries all over the world have different but still similar problems.
One being crime and a lot of the time most of it is caused by people of one race or another and I got to where I was condemning everyone of one race because of that but then I thought about how unfair was to the vast majority of the people from that race who are just like me and want nothing more than to live a decent, peaceful life.
On the other hand there are some groups of people who don’t want to be peaceful just by the fact that they practice a violent religion.
Maybe the article went over my head but I don’t know how you can classify people without considering their race religion or politics.
Have fun with your tribes. Sorry if I didn’t care for it.
 
Much negative behavior in our Western societies is economically driven by those without it, seeking wealth. Given way way overpopulation versus the world's sustainable capacities, the competitive economically dominant world is in an awkward transition phase now where for a period there won't be enough while infrastructure and laws are not yet designed to handle a transition. Thus, corporations and individuals with wealth, responsible for the situation, will need to support those without it more than such has been to this point, regardless of how they feel about doing so. How that occurs, will need to be fleshed out by those in control.

And I expect the world population by whatever mechanism, natural or caused by other humans, is going to need to be radically decreased within this next generation, or our human race and life on this water world planet is likely doomed. The human world has been lucky to this point avoiding yet another world war but this time with weapons of mass destruction, that is not an option to be kicked down the road but rather becomes a necessity.

Those of this next generation, our children, have been unfairly, inconsiderately, left holding the bag in the wealth society pyramid game. Not changing given a long list of ways war may happen in such a diverse and competitive world, will IMO make our doom eventually certain, destroying what may be extremely rare life within a vast Universe.
 
CallMeKate said:
I'll do it, Mr. Dave. :giggle:

According to AI:
The “American Dream” is the idea that anyone in the United States can achieve success, security, and upward mobility through hard work, determination, and opportunity — regardless of where they started in life.

The phrase became especially well known after historian and writer James Truslow Adams used it in his 1931 book The Epic of America. He described it as a vision of a society where life could be “better and richer and fuller for everyone.”

Common elements people associate with the American Dream include:
  • Owning a home
  • Having a stable job or successful career
  • Financial independence
  • Raising a family safely
  • Access to education and opportunity
  • Freedom and individual rights
  • The ability to improve one’s social or economic status
The meaning has changed over time. For some people today, it focuses more on personal freedom, work-life balance, or happiness rather than just wealth or homeownership. Others argue the dream has become harder to achieve because of rising housing costs, student debt, healthcare expenses, and income inequality.
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Does being able to support people less fortunate come into it?
 
According to the quiz results, my "tribe" is Progressive Activist, which I guess is true, although my "activism" consists almost entirely of posting comments online and writing songs about social and political topics. I don't share some of the progressive tribe's priorities, though, which is why I don't participate in protests.
 
Dybbuk said:
Does being able to support people less fortunate come into it?
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At the rate they are building environment gobbling data centers there is a good chance that a huge population might not survive.
That is driven by the ultra-wealthy.
At the rate things are going there will only be two classes, the ultra wealthy and the poor since those who used to be the middle class are being driven out by taxation.
We don’t own property any longer but just rent it from the taxing bodies.
Anyone who doubts that just don’t pay your property taxes and watch everything you own disappear. They used to accuse me of being a bitter young man until I got old and now they don’t flatter me any more.
 
I did a little more research to learn about the 'More in Common' project and who is behind it.
Although I like to read the book, I also like to see the movie so I went to YouTube.
I will not post this video here because it is definitely political.
You can find it under the podcaster Manu Meel interviewing Stephen Hawkins, one of the founders of More in Common.

I enjoyed it and felt I got a better look at the project. Actually, not quite finished. I wanted to post.
@David777 Thank you. I think you found an interesting topic but forgive me if I learn more by listening.

I will be researching more about this.
I'll be honest I was curious about the net worth of the founders and the project and how much progress they have made.
 
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