The person who said that was a cop. He's right, but that defense only works for cops; not regular civilians.
The Kyle Rittenhouse Trial: What Will Be the Outcome?
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hollydolly
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headlines in the media today...
Masses of people gathered coast-to-coast Friday night to decry Kyle Rittenhouse’s acquittal in protests that reflected the divisiveness and anger stoked by the high-profile case.
Hundreds gathered outside the Barclays Center in Brooklyn, New York, to express their fury in the verdict as similar events unfolded across the nation.
Rittenhouse, 18, was acquitted by jurors on all charges - two counts of homicide, one count of attempted homicide for wounding a third man, and two counts of recklessly endangering safety - after killing two people during protests marred by arson, rioting and looting on Aug. 25, 2020, in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
A protest in Portland, Oregon was declared a riot late Friday after some of the 200 people started smashing windows, throwing objects at police, and threatening to burn down the local Justice Center, KOIN reported.
Meanwhile, scores of people were seen marching through New York about 7 p.m. carrying signs that branded Rittenhouse as a ‘racist killer’ and the judicial system as biased.
‘The message is that when you stand up for black liberation, when you stand up for black lives, no matter who you are you automatically become a target of the system,’ Na-Lakan Masego, a protester, told CBS New York.
Another speaker at the rally said the jury’s verdict was a blow to the entire nation.
'By allowing Kyle Rittenhouse to walk away, this entire country – this government – has slapped us all in the face for the millionth time,’ he told the crowd. ‘We cannot allow them to continue treating us like we do not exist because they hurt us.’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...nhouses-acquittal-sparks-protests-nation.html
'This entire country has slapped us in the face': Kyle Rittenhouse's acquittal sparks protests across the nation
Masses of people gathered coast-to-coast Friday night to decry Kyle Rittenhouse’s acquittal in protests that reflected the divisiveness and anger stoked by the high-profile case.
Hundreds gathered outside the Barclays Center in Brooklyn, New York, to express their fury in the verdict as similar events unfolded across the nation.
Rittenhouse, 18, was acquitted by jurors on all charges - two counts of homicide, one count of attempted homicide for wounding a third man, and two counts of recklessly endangering safety - after killing two people during protests marred by arson, rioting and looting on Aug. 25, 2020, in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
A protest in Portland, Oregon was declared a riot late Friday after some of the 200 people started smashing windows, throwing objects at police, and threatening to burn down the local Justice Center, KOIN reported.
Meanwhile, scores of people were seen marching through New York about 7 p.m. carrying signs that branded Rittenhouse as a ‘racist killer’ and the judicial system as biased.
‘The message is that when you stand up for black liberation, when you stand up for black lives, no matter who you are you automatically become a target of the system,’ Na-Lakan Masego, a protester, told CBS New York.
Another speaker at the rally said the jury’s verdict was a blow to the entire nation.
'By allowing Kyle Rittenhouse to walk away, this entire country – this government – has slapped us all in the face for the millionth time,’ he told the crowd. ‘We cannot allow them to continue treating us like we do not exist because they hurt us.’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...nhouses-acquittal-sparks-protests-nation.html
hollydolly
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President Biden is 'angry and concerned' after Kenosha shooter Kyle Rittenhouse was found not guilty on all charges Friday, but says he stands by the jury's decision.
The president weighed in on the divisive, high-profile case hours after the verdict was read, telling reporters, 'I stand with the jury as the jury system has concluded. The jury system works and you have to abide by it.'
In an attempt to placate both sides, he later released a statement that read: 'While the verdict in Kenosha will leave many Americans feeling angry and concerned, myself included, we must acknowledge that the jury has spoken.
'I urge everyone to express their views peacefully, consistent with the rule of law. Violence and destruction of property have no place in our democracy.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10208475/Kenosha-murder-case-jury-reached-verdict.html
The president weighed in on the divisive, high-profile case hours after the verdict was read, telling reporters, 'I stand with the jury as the jury system has concluded. The jury system works and you have to abide by it.'
In an attempt to placate both sides, he later released a statement that read: 'While the verdict in Kenosha will leave many Americans feeling angry and concerned, myself included, we must acknowledge that the jury has spoken.
'I urge everyone to express their views peacefully, consistent with the rule of law. Violence and destruction of property have no place in our democracy.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10208475/Kenosha-murder-case-jury-reached-verdict.html
squatting dog
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Biden’s written statement came an hour after he spoke to reporters and did not mention being “angry and concerned,” instead saying he had not watched the trial, adding, “Look, I stand by what the jury has concluded. The jury system works and we have to abide by it.”
I'm guessing someone else wrote his "written statement" to feed to the media.
squatting dog
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Did any of you even watch the Kyle case live?
If not, then here’s what most of the public didn’t know as per the testimony of everyone under oath...
Most didn't know that Kyle helped put out a dumpster fire that was being rolled down to a gas station to blow up, with people all around.
Most didn't know that the Police were told to stand down as businesses were destroyed.
Most didn't know that Kyles Dad, Grandma and Friends all lived in Kenosha, 20 minutes from where he resided with his Mom part time (by the way) in Illinois.
Most didn't know that Joseph Rosenbaum knocked him down twice and then attempted to kick him with lethal force to the head.
Most didn't know that Huber had hit him in the head 2 times with a skateboard.
Most didn't know Gaige Grosskreutz, aimed his gun at Kyle first, as he finally admitted on the stand.
Most didn't know that in the State of Wisconsin, it is legal for Kyle to have a gun, even at 17 (which was why the gun charge was dismissed).
Most didn't know that Kyle did not cross state lines with a gun he wasn't supposed to have. The rightful gun owner did, as he was legally permitted to do.
Most didn't realize that Rosenbaum was a 5 time convicted child rapist and that Huber was a 2 time convicted woman beater.
Most didn't know that Grosskreutz was a convicted Burglar with an assault on his record also.
IF THE MEDIA DID THEIR JOB... we would ALL have known this!
Does this not concern everyone?
If not, then here’s what most of the public didn’t know as per the testimony of everyone under oath...
Most didn't know that Kyle helped put out a dumpster fire that was being rolled down to a gas station to blow up, with people all around.
Most didn't know that the Police were told to stand down as businesses were destroyed.
Most didn't know that Kyles Dad, Grandma and Friends all lived in Kenosha, 20 minutes from where he resided with his Mom part time (by the way) in Illinois.
Most didn't know that Joseph Rosenbaum knocked him down twice and then attempted to kick him with lethal force to the head.
Most didn't know that Huber had hit him in the head 2 times with a skateboard.
Most didn't know Gaige Grosskreutz, aimed his gun at Kyle first, as he finally admitted on the stand.
Most didn't know that in the State of Wisconsin, it is legal for Kyle to have a gun, even at 17 (which was why the gun charge was dismissed).
Most didn't know that Kyle did not cross state lines with a gun he wasn't supposed to have. The rightful gun owner did, as he was legally permitted to do.
Most didn't realize that Rosenbaum was a 5 time convicted child rapist and that Huber was a 2 time convicted woman beater.
Most didn't know that Grosskreutz was a convicted Burglar with an assault on his record also.
IF THE MEDIA DID THEIR JOB... we would ALL have known this!
Does this not concern everyone?
I didn't know those two things and it would have made a difference to my way of thinking. I only saw the video which made it look like Rosenbaum only threw a bag at Kyle and that he had only one hit from Huber.
I don't think it was important for us to know the criminal history of the two dead men. Kyle didn't know their history when he shot them and one life shouldn't be more important than another when it comes to the law.
Pauline1954
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And a lot almost MOST dont care to learn the truth. It actually takes a lot of free thinking energy and effort.
The way the jurors were protected was
super.I think many people who disagree with the verdict are anti-gun & they base their opinion on that, alone.
They would find fault with any use of a gun - including legitimate self defense.
Irwin
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Communists.headlines in the media today...
'This entire country has slapped us in the face': Kyle Rittenhouse's acquittal sparks protests across the nation
Masses of people gathered coast-to-coast Friday night to decry Kyle Rittenhouse’s acquittal in protests that reflected the divisiveness and anger stoked by the high-profile case.
Hundreds gathered outside the Barclays Center in Brooklyn, New York, to express their fury in the verdict as similar events unfolded across the nation.
Rittenhouse, 18, was acquitted by jurors on all charges - two counts of homicide, one count of attempted homicide for wounding a third man, and two counts of recklessly endangering safety - after killing two people during protests marred by arson, rioting and looting on Aug. 25, 2020, in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
A protest in Portland, Oregon was declared a riot late Friday after some of the 200 people started smashing windows, throwing objects at police, and threatening to burn down the local Justice Center, KOIN reported.
Meanwhile, scores of people were seen marching through New York about 7 p.m. carrying signs that branded Rittenhouse as a ‘racist killer’ and the judicial system as biased.
‘The message is that when you stand up for black liberation, when you stand up for black lives, no matter who you are you automatically become a target of the system,’ Na-Lakan Masego, a protester, told CBS New York.
Another speaker at the rally said the jury’s verdict was a blow to the entire nation.
'By allowing Kyle Rittenhouse to walk away, this entire country – this government – has slapped us all in the face for the millionth time,’ he told the crowd. ‘We cannot allow them to continue treating us like we do not exist because they hurt us.’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...nhouses-acquittal-sparks-protests-nation.html
squatting dog
We don't have as far to go, as we've already been
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- Arkansas, and also Florida
headlines in the media today...
'This entire country has slapped us in the face': Kyle Rittenhouse's acquittal sparks protests across the nation
Masses of people gathered coast-to-coast Friday night to decry Kyle Rittenhouse’s acquittal in protests that reflected the divisiveness and anger stoked by the high-profile case.
Hundreds gathered outside the Barclays Center in Brooklyn, New York, to express their fury in the verdict as similar events unfolded across the nation.
Rittenhouse, 18, was acquitted by jurors on all charges - two counts of homicide, one count of attempted homicide for wounding a third man, and two counts of recklessly endangering safety - after killing two people during protests marred by arson, rioting and looting on Aug. 25, 2020, in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
A protest in Portland, Oregon was declared a riot late Friday after some of the 200 people started smashing windows, throwing objects at police, and threatening to burn down the local Justice Center, KOIN reported.
Meanwhile, scores of people were seen marching through New York about 7 p.m. carrying signs that branded Rittenhouse as a ‘racist killer’ and the judicial system as biased.
‘The message is that when you stand up for black liberation, when you stand up for black lives, no matter who you are you automatically become a target of the system,’ Na-Lakan Masego, a protester, told CBS New York.
Another speaker at the rally said the jury’s verdict was a blow to the entire nation.
'By allowing Kyle Rittenhouse to walk away, this entire country – this government – has slapped us all in the face for the millionth time,’ he told the crowd. ‘We cannot allow them to continue treating us like we do not exist because they hurt us.’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...nhouses-acquittal-sparks-protests-nation.html
When you see this many folks carrying well produced sign, I get the feeling they are useful dupes for someone's agenda. Nothing spontaneous about this bunch. It was well planned in advance.
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squatting dog
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Thus the term useful dupes.
Dupe usually refers to someone who has been deceived into going along with an idea or program.
Please note that nowhere are they called idiots.
Devi
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I've heard them called "useful idiots" (in writing), but okay.
Alligatorob
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These people need to find something more productive to keep them busy.
I see nothing to complain about with the verdict. It seems to pretty much follow the law. I suspect Win is right, this may have more to do with wanting more gun control then the facts of this case. Or just people bored we wanna go out and protest something I suppose. But we live under the rule of law and we have to accept but this is the law. Otherwise we're going back to the Salem witch trials.
I believe Rittenhouse did several stupid things leading to the death, the unnecessary death and injury of others. However in this case I believe the law was on his side. Perhaps those shot or their families would do better bringing a civil suit, but I still doubt it would come out differently.
I see no need for semi automatic rifles of this kind, certainly not for hunting. But changing that law is very different from wanting a different outcome from this trial.
I also believe those who were shot were doing very stupid things, things that lead to them getting shot. Took a lot of stupidity, by several people to make this tragedy happen.
Irwin
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If people are protesting the laws that allowed the shooting to occur, all the more power to them. If they want to implement communism in our country, well... that could work on a small scale to help poor people transition into our capitalist system, but I don't think that's what they want. I think they want the entire country to become socialized (in the economic sense — not in the interpersonal sense), which is misguided and ill-conceived. Our current economic system is failing young people because they don't have the means to succeed in it. They don't have the opportunities we had growing up.
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Just an FYI
I have no ax to grind on either side of the coin here. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I respect that. Many people seem to think the 2cnd Amendment of the United States has something to do with hunting and personal self defense. The 2cnd. Amendment mentions neither. The words are about as clear and simple to comprehend as can be (see below).
2cnd Amendment to the United States Constitution.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
I am of the opinion that this is why our shores have not been invaded by any military force since the war of 1812.
I have no ax to grind on either side of the coin here. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I respect that. Many people seem to think the 2cnd Amendment of the United States has something to do with hunting and personal self defense. The 2cnd. Amendment mentions neither. The words are about as clear and simple to comprehend as can be (see below).
2cnd Amendment to the United States Constitution.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
I am of the opinion that this is why our shores have not been invaded by any military force since the war of 1812.
Depends how you interpret "The right of the people." "The People" can be regular everyday citizens. Or it can be the "Well Regulated Militia."
Textually you are correct, however, many court rulings address the self defense issue as part of the 2nd's purpose.
From McDonald v. Chicago:
Justice Alito delivered the opinion of the Court with respect to Parts I, II–A, II–B, II–D, III–A, and III–B, concluding that the Fourteenth Amendment incorporates the Second Amendment right, recognized in Heller, to keep and bear arms for the purpose of self-defense. Pp. 5–9, 11–19, 19–33.
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Which is part of my point. To me it is simple. The words speak for themselves.
oldpop
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Anything can be made complicated and often is. The 2cnd Amendment is comprised of simple words and simple is to comprehend. IMO
oldpop
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As I mentioned it is simply written and simple to comprehend. Any and all words can be bent to fit the desired outcome. Even my own. A law should not be ignored. A law can be incorrect. As many are. The text of the 2cnd Amendment says what it says. One could change the meaning of the words and throw laws at it all day long. The words speak for themselves and were designed that way to be understood by all. When/if the words are changed and laws made to bend the words of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights to fit any given agenda they are being compromised. IMO