The Kyle Rittenhouse Trial: What Will Be the Outcome?

hawkdon said:
Yeah, it is like he put himself out there in the middle of
a bunch of unpredictable people, he was armed, most
probably were not, he has no kind of training in crowd
control, medical or anything...just a wannabee....this calls
for a jail sentence in my opinion.
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What you said is true, but I don't believe he broke any laws, and that's generally required for someone to be sent to jail.
 

I think we should all look at the motive that some people want to establish. At this time we have a right to defend ourselves as per the constitution; This case was an attempt to take that right away. The prosecution has claimed anyone who takes their weapon anywhere has no right to self defense. Should they succeed it would effectively eliminate the ability to carry a gun anywhere because the idea of defense would have been eliminated! ( A flanking move to circumnavigate the constitution if ever I saw one). :mad: I therefore think every American should be concerned about this case! Once any one amendment goes, it speeds up the process to remove more of the same.
 
AnnieA said:
Know I'm being lazy asking this ...but do you have a link with the direct text for that?
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You tube has removed most of the video's, however, It can still be found on twitter, but, I don't know how to show it here.
His direct quote was... PROSECUTOR THOMAS BINGER: “You lose the right to self-defense when you’re the one who brought the gun.”
 
squatting dog said:
You tube has removed most of the video's, however, It can still be found on twitter, but, I don't know how to show it here.
His direct quote was... PROSECUTOR THOMAS BINGER: “You lose the right to self-defense when you’re the one who brought the gun.”
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Thanks. I used the quote to find a lot of documentation. If Rittenhouse goes free of the most serious charges, he can count the day Binger was assigned prosecutor as the luckiest day of his life.
 
AnnieA said:
Thanks. I used the quote to find a lot of documentation. If Rittenhouse goes free of the most serious charges, he can count the day Binger was assigned prosecutor as the luckiest day of his life.
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How about the photos yesterday of Binger taking aim at the jury with an (unloaded) AR-15 type rifle? The man should not be a prosecutor.
 
win231 said:
You couldn't possibly think anyone would have to wait & see if someone shoots before defending themselves.
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Win, if i point a knife at you, are you going to knife me to death ?.. I've commited no crime .. I haven't stabbed you, nor touched you with an offensive weapon... I've simply held a knife in your direction.. how would that give you the right to kill me ? Doesn't make any sense whatsoever...
 
A knife's a different story, that knife isn't going to jump from your hand to Win's heart the way a bullet will. If someone points a gun at you, it's logical to think they might pull the trigger, so you should pull your trigger before they can pull theirs.

I think the part that's going to get Kyle sent to prison is shooting Rosenbaum for throwing a plastic bag of hospital freebies at him, or shooting someone who is running away with his skateboard.

The way I've understood the laws regarding self-defense claims is they usually say you are allowed to return force that is the same, or a little bit more. A gun is a whole lot more than a bag or a skateboard.

I do know from the Dateline school of law, where I got my degree, that you are allowed to shoot someone who's after you with a baseball bat and a skateboard might be equal to that.

This jury has a lot to think about.
 
JimBob1952 said:
How about the photos yesterday of Binger taking aim at the jury with an (unloaded) AR-15 type rifle? The man should not be a prosecutor.
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:eek::eek: That idiot (Binger) should never be allowed to handle a gun again. Even us right wing, gun loving, gung ho nut jobs (sarcasm) know you never put your finger on the trigger unless you mean to fire one. And, one should consider all guns to be loaded and dangerous. what a moron. Watching too many Perry Mason shows I think.
 
hollydolly said:
Win, if i point a knife at you, are you going to knife me to death ?.. I've commited no crime .. I haven't stabbed you, nor touched you with an offensive weapon... I've simply held a knife in your direction.. how would that give you the right to kill me ? Doesn't make any sense whatsoever...
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Uh......I think you aren't aware of the fact that Mr. Grosskruetz did not point a knife at Rittenhouse. He pointed a GUN at him. Big difference.
 
hollydolly said:
Win, if i point a knife at you, are you going to knife me to death ?.. I've commited no crime .. I haven't stabbed you, nor touched you with an offensive weapon... I've simply held a knife in your direction.. how would that give you the right to kill me ? Doesn't make any sense whatsoever...
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It is a crime in the US to point a knife at someone, and it's legal for that someone to defend themselves, but the laws are very specific. The type of defense someone is allowed to use depends on the Level of Threat, i.e., Reasonable Threat, Imminent Threat, and several more. If you point a knife at someone, and he feels you are an Imminent Threat, you could get shot. The defender must show the court that your actions were an Imminent Threat, i.e., you took a step toward the person, you appeared intent on using your knife, you said "I'm going to kill you", etc.
 
If we didn't have so many candy-a$$es running around carrying weapons , these thing wouldn't happen. Before the days of "I'm afraid to go to the store without packing" , crap like this rarely happened among non- criminal types. Enact some stiff "stop and search" laws and make the penalties serious, first offenders included . Stiff jail sentences with no exceptions.

It won't stop everyone but it'll cut back on a lot of unnecessary weapons on the street,
 
If you watch the video of the shootings, there seemed to be gunshots going off all over the place. WTF? 😲 So it's reasonable to assume that Rittenhouse, when being attacked by any of the three men who he shot, feared for his life. Any one of them could have been armed with a gun. And when things are happening that fast, he didn't have time to stop and think about how he was being attacked. He just knew he was being attacked, and had someone wrestled the gun away from him, they could have used it on him.
 
hollydolly said:
No difference at all if he didn't fire the gun, in the same way someone holding a knife didn't stab someone...
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You can't be seriously suggesting that anyone who has a gun pointed at them should wait until it's fired at him before defending himself.
 

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