The last time I voted, Am I wrong about this?

I don't know... I don't think voter fraud made a bit of difference in the last election, and probably not in any election in modern times. However I have a number of friends and relatives who believe it did. They are mostly smart rational people.

Seems to me we can have a rational dialog without "outrage" on either side.
There are a lot of smart rational people who nevertheless are following the 'news' outlets that peddle FUD(Fear,Uncertainty and Doubt). That's big money and is destroying the minds of millions and destroying our nation.

"Seems to me we can have a rational dialog without "outrage" on either side." There are no sides, only reality and lies.
 

There are a lot of smart rational people who nevertheless are following the 'news' outlets that peddle FUD(Fear,Uncertainty and Doubt). That's big money and is destroying the minds of millions and destroying our nation.

"Seems to me we can have a rational dialog without "outrage" on either side." There are no sides, only reality and lies.
Thank you.
 
I am going to provide a link that sets out how political donations to Canadian political parties are regulated. Note that ONLY individuals can donate to political parties in Canada and their donation cannot excide $1,500 in any year . Companies and Corporations and Trade Unions cannot donate to political parties or individual candidates. Link. Political Party Financing in Canada | The Canadian Encyclopedia Feel free to ask questions about this topic. JimB.
 

I am going to provide a link that sets out how political donations to Canadian political parties are regulated. Note that ONLY individuals can donate to political parties in Canada and their donation cannot excide $1,500 in any year . Companies and Corporations and Trade Unions cannot donate to political parties or individual candidates. Link. Political Party Financing in Canada | The Canadian Encyclopedia Feel free to ask questions about this topic. JimB.
Here in the U.S., money is considered speech and corporations are considered people, so thanks to our insane Supreme Court, pretty much all rules are considered un-Constitutional when it comes to corrupting our elections with money.
 
It was simple in CA- mailed-in ballots.
When I first started voting in this area, I voted in person, and they never asked for anything. Also nothing required when I started voting by mail. A few elections ago (not sure exactly when) they came up with voter i.d. cards, to either show in person or include the i.d. number if ballots are mailed in.
 
Here in the U.S., money is considered speech and corporations are considered people, so thanks to our insane Supreme Court, pretty much all rules are considered un-Constitutional when it comes to corrupting our elections with money.
Senior Ben. So which of the 2 choices do you prefer ? Would you be in favour of restricting political donations to individuals and prohibit corporations and trade unions from donating millions to political parties ? In my mind the US donations system is a way to "buy an election ". JimB.
 
Senior Ben. So which of the 2 choices do you prefer ? Would you be in favour of restricting political donations to individuals and prohibit corporations and trade unions from donating millions to political parties ? In my mind the US donations system is a way to "buy an election ". JimB.
If I can chime in here.. I agree with you. I don't think huge donations from corporations etc. should be allowed.
 
Senior Ben. So which of the 2 choices do you prefer ? Would you be in favour of restricting political donations to individuals and prohibit corporations and trade unions from donating millions to political parties ? In my mind the US donations system is a way to "buy an election ". JimB.
I'm for publicly funded elections. Get big money out of politics and everything else will fall into place.
 
Am I wrong about this?
The last time I voted, there was a long table with four ladies sitting behind them.
The first lady asked my name.
She checked my name off a list. They handed me the ballot.

Wait! "Don't you need my voter ID card?"
"No."
"My driver's licence?"
"No."
"Do you need my address?"
"No."

Well, something isn't right.
"Excuse me but, How do you know I am who I say I am without validation?"
"How do you know I even live in this district?"
"Doesn't this kinda open the door for voter fraud?"

The four ladies looked at each other and rolled their eyes.
Time for me to close my mouth and just vote.
Are we not to question this?
I'm not required to show ID, but I do have to sign in and my signature is checked against the one they have on file.

Voter fraud has been shown to be extraordinarily rare - despite loud claims to the contrary by sore losers.
 
If I can chime in here.. I agree with you. I don't think huge donations from corporations etc. should be allowed.
In Canada the regulations about political donations are actually a part of The Election Act. Depending on how many votes a party received in a Federal Election, some of their election expenses are refunded to them. In a national election a typical local candidate will have a budget of around $60,000 to $100,000 most of which will be spent on tv or radio ads, and out door advertising, and pamphlets. National parties spend money on travel costs for their Party leader, ( as it is a national election campaign ) across our 7,000 kilometer wide country, and in general the focus is on districts where the party has had a record of winning in the past. In Provincial elections the travel costs can still be huge. In my Province of Ontario the square mile area of Ontario is almost exactly one and a half times that of Texas, so going to all of the electoral districts is costly. In a national election in Canada it is a given that to win the election a party has to carry the majority of the seats in both Ontario and Quebec, to win nationally. Seats in Canada are based on a population of about 100,000 people per district, which in a major city means a lot more seats than in the far north. The Yukon Territory only has a population of about 35,000 people in total. So they only elect one Member of the Federal Parliament in Ottawa. At this time there are 341 Members in the Federal Parliament in Ottawa. JimB.
 
I'm for publicly funded elections. Get big money out of politics and everything else will fall into place.
In the Canadian system EACH candidate must submit a detailed report of exactly who contributed to their campaign funding, after the election is over to either Elections Canada or the Provincial Elections board. Those reports are subject to auditing and reviews. BTW, here in the city of Toronto there is a City by-law the requires each candidate for city council or the school board, to remove ALL of their election signs within 5 days after the date of the election OR have them removed by city workers and be fined $100 for each one that had to be removed by the city. That works really well in terms of keeping the city clean. JimB.
 
So which of the 2 choices do you prefer ? Would you be in favour of restricting political donations to individuals and prohibit corporations and trade unions from donating millions to political parties ? In my mind the US donations system is a way to "buy an election ". JimB.
I prefer your Canadian approach, and you are right about the election buying. However, as @SeniorBen points out this would be unconstitutional in the US. Only 2 ways I can think of we could do something about it:
  1. As voters ignore all the ads and do our own research into the candidates and issues. I don't think this will ever happen, not for the majority of voters anyway. Its too time consuming and takes too much critical thinking for most people, just goes against human nature.
  2. A Constitutional Amendment - possible, but hard. I am sure the rich and many unions and corporations would spend huge amounts on advertising to stop it.
So we may have to muddle along, doing what we can...
 
This is all horses**t. I'm still voting in the same precinct where I cast my first vote back in the 50's and the method hasn't changed. Give your name and address, they line it out, give you a ballot you vote put it in the box and leave.
Strange that all of a sudden, after all of these years, a candidate loses an election like many before him, and the whole system is "rigged".
Imagine - all those winners and losers, over the years and only the last election and the up-coming one can have one winner or the election is "fixed".
 
Another point about our electoral system here in Canada. It is possible, with a multi party voting system, to have an election result in a "minority Government " where no one party wins a clear majority in Parliament. When that happens the party that has won the most seats ( BUT not a majority of the seats in Parliament ) has to enter into a coalition with the next most seats party, to govern with a shared agenda. That is the case right now, with the Liberals having a "working arrangement " with the New Democratic Party, to have the NDP vote in support of the Liberals on bills that the NDP supports. With 6 parties represented in our Federal Parliament now, parties have learned to be prepared to work together to achieve results. That is not to say that everything here is like sitting around campfires and singing along, but things are much less divisive than in the USA. JimB.
 
Most voter fraud does not happen at the voting booth. At the voting booth, if you want a thousand more fraudulent votes, you need 1,000 ineligible voters to vote. Getting hundreds of thousands of ineligible voters into the voting booth is not feasible. For enough voter fraud to affect a national election, the fraud has to occur at the courthouse. At the courthouse, we have centuries of corruption with pay to play schemes. I don't see any reason that practice has ended. Plus, the losers ALWAYS claim voter fraud, they always did, they always will.
 
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Most voter fraud does not happen at the voting booth. At the voting booth, if you want a thousand more fraudulent votes, you need 1,000 ineligible voters to vote. Getting hundreds of thousands of ineligible voters into the voting booth is not feasible. For enough voter fraud to affect a national election, the fraud has to occur at the courthouse. At the courthouse, we have centuries of corruption with pay to play schemes. I don't see any reason that practice has ended.
Amen.
 
Sounds organized and practical. Do you have the kind of voter fraud concerns some of us seem to have?

Ideas I particularly like include:
  • "Federal election campaign is only 40 to 50 days long from start to voting day. and
  • the names of the candidates, with no political party mentioned"
We should learn from you.
Entire election process 30 days max. Also mandatory "Neither candidate" choice that if the largest vote getter removes candidate from that office race for a minimum of 4 years.
 


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