The nurse found guilty of murdering babies

So, Letby sentenced to life in prison.

I would have forced her to face the parents who told their harrowing stories. She apparently refused to do this - I would have held her down and made her listen to their grief. I'm sure there is a special place in hell for her when she departs this earth. It's a pity our taxes will now keep her alive.
I can't bear to think of those babies at her hands and I hope that haunts her.
 

A senior consultant who tried to blow the whistle on Lucy Letby said doctors felt 'intimidated' by hospital bosses who discouraged them from going to police.

Dr John Gibbs, who has since retired, said managers 'closed their minds' too soon to the possibility that Lucy Letby was killing or harming babies on the neonatal unit.

He told the Mail that he was 'shocked' when chief executive Tony Chambers called the hospital's seven consultant paediatricians to a meeting, in January 2017, and told them Letby had not done anything wrong.

The hospital boss even ordered medics to write a letter of apology to the nurse.

By this stage Letby, 33, had been working in an office job at the hospital for seven months, having been removed following the death of two triplets on consecutive shifts in June 2016.


She was hoping to return to the unit after an internal grievance apparently found no evidence of wrongdoing.

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Dr Gibbs said he felt intimidated by Mr Chambers, who told the consultants at the meeting that he was 'drawing a line' under the matter.

Dr Gibbs's colleague, Dr Stephen Brearey, told the BBC that medics were warned there would be 'consequences,' if they refused to write the apology.

Dr Gibbs said: 'There was a difficult meeting at the end of January 2017 where all us paediatricians met with senior managers, including the chief executive, the director of nursing and the medical director.

'We were told how stressful this had all been for Lucy Letby and a letter from her was read out explaining how unfair we paediatricians had been.

'We were told the chief executive had met with her and her father and we were told to write a letter of apology to Lucy Letby.

'It seemed inappropriate, but the whole of the meeting shocked me. At the end, I remember the chief executive saying he was drawing a line under this issue and he ran his finger across the desk. He looked at all of us and said: "Do you understand?" I did feel, to some extent, intimidated.'

He said the consultants wrote the letter of apology, but added: 'We didn't feel it was justified.

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Appalling. Certain people must be held to account for all that.
 
So, Letby sentenced to life in prison.

I would have forced her to face the parents who told their harrowing stories. She apparently refused to do this - I would have held her down and made her listen to their grief. I'm sure there is a special place in hell for her when she departs this earth. It's a pity our taxes will now keep her alive.
I can't bear to think of those babies at her hands and I hope that haunts her.
She should never have been allowed to stay in her Cell while the parents were giving their witness statements. This is a right prisoners have currently.. but now since this murderer's actions, Parliament is about to repeal that Loophole in the law.. so every prisoner is forced to appear in Court for sentencing
 

So, Letby sentenced to life in prison.

I would have forced her to face the parents who told their harrowing stories. She apparently refused to do this - I would have held her down and made her listen to their grief. I'm sure there is a special place in hell for her when she departs this earth. It's a pity our taxes will now keep her alive.
I can't bear to think of those babies at her hands and I hope that haunts her.
From what I read....she didn't even show up for any of her court hearings, or for her sentencing.
Which she was in her rights to do. (or not do)

eta: just saw/read your post hd :)
 
Actually evil is not all around us. Only Hollywood and the media is working 24/7 trying to prove to us that it is. The folks I know and hang around with are pretty nice. Oh, less news is better news! Have a nice day!
I agree. The majority of people are decent people just trying to live. It IS the media that plasters this stuff all over the place. :(
 
I do hope that hospital boss who "drew a line" under the issue is tried as a criminal and not simply fired. Lucy committed these crimes because she's bat-sh*t crazy and missing something human, but this boss just wanted to keep the hospital and himself making money.

Ordering the concerned doctors to write her a letter of apology is weird even of itself. Even if she was innocent, doctors should never be punished for noticing something odd that needed looked into.
 
this case is simply a good example of some people who do not want to believe this person can do this ....
look at any case exposed...... so many people say.... "i had no idea" ......or my favorite ...... " they seemed so normal " ........ really we do not know what is going on .....
Honestly the Worst is IF someone had suspicions and said NOTHING or rationalized it away which sound like this administrator did...

Recently read an article where some one did a math calculation .........that said in a lifetime people will have contact (maybe standing in line together living next door maybe working with someone ) WITH 7 serial killers in a average lifetime.

How Many Murderers Will You Walk Past? – Leo Qin
this link says Average person walks by 36 killers in a lifetime


If someone has had contact with a criminal element i guess they might be willing to see the possibility of maybe a person is NOT what they appear to be.
 
Recently read an article where some one did a math calculation .........that said in a lifetime people will have contact (maybe standing in line together living next door maybe working with someone ) WITH 7 serial killers in a average lifetime.


whaaaat?... perhaps not in the UK....:eek:
 
Recently read an article where some one did a math calculation .........that said in a lifetime people will have contact (maybe standing in line together living next door maybe working with someone ) WITH 7 serial killers in a average lifetime.


whaaaat?... perhaps not in the UK....:eek:
i am searching for exact article can not remember if it was place specific or world wide.
 
There are over 8 billion people on this planet. Not everyone is an evil serial killer. If they were you and I wouldn't be reading this.
 
This is HM prison Low Newton... this is a cell in General population where Murderer of babies Letby will serve out her 14 life sentences...That'll teach her won't it ?...:oops::oops::oops:

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..a shop where they can buy clothing..
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When we lived in Georgia it was a new housing development so everyone who moved in was "new." Then our first African American neighbor moved in just across from me and I was particularly anxious to make him feel welcome. I was all over the guy with cookies and invitations to come over if he needed to use the phone (this was before everyone had cells.) About a month later he was arrested for murdering his uncle because he hadn't been willing to lend him any more money. It's my guess he was drug addicted.

The near miss didn't change me. Like Packerjohn says, the large majority of people are just fine.
 
Unbelievable....

THIS is the grovelling apology letter to child killer Lucy Letby which doctors were forced to sign after they repeatedly tried to blow the whistle on her, the medics had attempted to raise concerns over the nurse following a string of unexplained baby deaths all happening while she was on shift

But hospital chiefs told them to back off and say sorry — with Letby even offered a role at Alder Hey children’s hospital after bringing a grievance case. Bosses at the Countess of Chester Hospital, Cheshire, warned whistle-blowing doctors of “consequences” if they continued to voice their fears.

The astonishing letter, sanctioned by the hospital’s former CEO Tony Chambers, read:

Dear Lucy, we would like to apologise for any inappropriate comments that may have been made during this difficult period. We are very sorry for the stress and upset that you have experienced in the last year.
Please be reassured that patient safety has been our absolute priority during this difficult time.”


The letter, dated 28th February, 2017, is believed to have been signed by seven doctors.
 
That's right; we see it on TV everyday. It's nice that I don't live on TV. I hang around with some really nice people that wouldn't hurt a pussycat. Guess I am lucky? I don't live with or know any of the criminally insane or axe murders out there. My friends are either working for a living or happily retired. I even say "good morning" to folks in my elevator and no one tries to kill me. I also go for a walk in my city 5 days/week and so far no one has tried to shot me nor have they tried to knife me. Life is what you make it and so far, I'm OK! Have a nice day!
You take life too much for granted. I have arrested several very nice people who wouldn’t hurt a fly. I was driving a man from court who was just given the death sentence back to prison when I got a call to be on the lookout for a silver Ford van. No sooner did I hear the call when the van made a u-turn in front of me. I followed him for about 3 miles and he pulled into a drugstore parking lot alongside a dark colored SUV. The man in the van quickly exited his vehicle and walked over to the SUV, raised his sweatshirt and pulled out a gun. Before I could get out of my vehicle, he shot the man in the SUV in the head with his .380 killing him.

The people I spoke to were completely surprised and shocked that this man would shoot anyone. He was the assistant pastor at a local church and was well liked by everyone in the community. His motive for killing the man in the SUV was he was dating the other man’s wife. He told us he warned him to stay away from her, but he guessed he thought he was kidding him. He said he decided he had enough and it was time to do what any other man would do. He said, “I decided he had to die.” The whole community was shocked.

We had another man kill a 25 y/o male because he was forcing his son to have sex with him. I asked him why didn’t he call the police. He said he didn’t want to wait 2 years for the cops to investigate and then maybe see the guy get off. He had to die, so I killed him. Believe it or not, he was found not guilty. The jury sympathized with the father.

There’s many more stories, but I know some people think those things only happen on TV or to other people. That would never happen to me. You can be sitting in a very nice restaurant. All of a sudden, someone comes in and opens fire on the customers and kills about 5 people. That’s when people say, “I never thought that would happen around here.”

Canada should have a lower murder rate than the U.S. Your gun control laws are different than ours.
 
Recently read an article where some one did a math calculation .........that said in a lifetime people will have contact (maybe standing in line together living next door maybe working with someone ) WITH 7 serial killers in a average lifetime.


whaaaat?... perhaps not in the UK....:eek:
Yes, I can believe that. I've often wondered about it.
 
Here's a horrendous story from Canada...

Robert Pickton was angry with himself as he brooded inside his jail cell. He hadn't achieved his criminal goal and he blamed himself for being "sloppy".

He turned to his cell mate, a talkative man who had befriended the instinctive loner Pickton, and said: "I made my own grave by being sloppy. Doesn’t that just kick you in the ass now. I wanted one more to make the big 5-0." But he wasn't talking about robberies but murders and little did he know his words to the cell mate - an undercover officer from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police - were the confession which would seal his life sentence.


Pickton had killed 49 women and disposed of their remains in the most gruesome manner - by feeding them to the herds of pigs he kept on his farm. He even ground some of the human flesh into mince, mixed it with pork, and sold it to meat processing businesses, family members, friends, and even the local police.

He had lured the women who mostly worked as sex workers in Vancouver's Red Light district to his home where he imprisoned them, tortured and then murdered them. Their bodies were then either fed to his pigs or put through an industrial meat grinder.

When the police finally arrived Pickton's pigs had foraged so furiously on the victims that there was nothing left of them. He was only caught after a search of his property revealed an asthma inhaler belonging to one of his victims. But he refused to co-operate with police and as a result an undercover Mountie posed as a cellmate - as they spoke Pickton began to brag about his crimes.
For years rumours had circulated about strange comings and goings at his pig farm but it was dismissed by local police - many of whom bought meat from him - as drunken gossip. The reality was the wealthy pig farmer mainly preyed upon drug addicts and prostitutes, picking them up in Vancouver’s red light district before driving them to his farm, where he had sex with them before murdering them in a variety of horrific ways.



He allegedly handcuffed and stabbed other victims, including one woman who managed to escape, naked and bleeding, in 1997 after stabbing Pickton with his own knife. At the time the woman was considered an unreliable witness by police and Pickton was not prosecuted.


The clothes and rubber boots Pickton had been wearing that evening were seized by police and left in an police storage locker for more than seven years. Not until 2004 did lab testing show that the DNA of two missing women was on the items seized from Pickton in 1997



When he was finally arrested in February 2002, it was almost by chance. Investigators had raided his pig farm looking for illicit weapons, only to find items belonging to long-missing women. A search of Pickton’s farm revealed DNA evidence of 26 missing women, mostly of indigenous origin, and he was charged with their murders.


No-one had known the eccentric scruffy farmer was one of the deadliest serial killers in history. In a documentary crime author Wensley Clarkson said: "Robert Pickton was a serial killer who made the Texas Chainsaw Massacre look like an attraction at Disneyland.


"There was nothing about him which made him standout, he didn't have great personal hygiene and he would hold barn dances with bikers and women and alcohol. He was known locally for using prostitutes and had a perchant for indigenous women but when large numbers went missing no one made the connnection."

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A senior NHS manager who allegedly ignored warnings over serial baby killer Lucy Letby has been suspended, The Telegraph has learned.
Alison Kelly was accused in court of failing to act when doctors raised “serious concerns” about the nurse during her tenure as director of nursing and quality at the Countess of Chester Hospital where Letby murdered seven babies.


Ms Kelly is now a director of nursing at the Northern Care Alliance NHS Trust in the Manchester area and local politicians called for her position to be investigated by ministers.

It emerged on Sunday that she has now been suspended due to several allegations that emerged during the court case.
An NHS England spokesperson told The Telegraph: “We welcome the independent inquiry announced by the Department of Health and Social Care into the events at the Countess of Chester and will cooperate fully to help ensure all lessons are learned.

“In light of information that has emerged during the trial of Lucy Letby, and the announcement of the independent inquiry, the Northern Care Alliance has suspended Alison Kelly.”


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It comes as NHS managers who are accused of ignoring repeated warnings that Letby posed a threat to babies face the possibility of losing their pensions if convicted of corporate manslaughter or criminal negligence.

Ms Kelly is the most senior nurse at the Salford and Rochdale organisations within the Northern Care Alliance in the North-West of England. It is one of the largest NHS trusts in the country and employs 20,000 staff.

The Telegraph understands that politicians in the area were deeply concerned to learn that Ms Kelly was still in a senior management position.
It was more than eight years ago, in July 2015, when Ms Kelly was first told that Letby was the only nurse on shift when three babies died within two weeks of one another.
 
Normally I don't like witch hunts but in this case the hospital managers who refused to listen to warnings by doctors should each be arrested, interrogated, prosecuted, then jailed for failure to prevent harm to the most vulnerable of babies and distress to their parents. This was massive concerted disregard to warning bells. Also work practice should be reviewed in that no one nurse should be allowed to treat babies on her own, always fail-safes should be in place. Two at least together for every case, checking work.
 
What's puzzling is there wasn't a guilty verdict on 6 counts. It almost seems like some aren't convinced. Serial killers usually have a trigger and use the same method. It's shows how methodical she was killing the children differently to avoid detection.
 


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