The Royal Tensions in the Palace.

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My point of view about Princess Diana and how the rest of the world perceived her has nothing to do with the political aspect at all. That didn’t even fit into my overall thought process when I think of her and what I’m saying is neither did it when MOST of the world viewed her.


You DO realize that MY parents were and still are hardcore stiff upper lip brits even if they live across the pond?
And YES I’m somewhat rebellious in case you haven’t noticed. :lofl:
 

I think the world proved this very point by naming her ‘the people’s princess. ‘
She may not have made it in the Royals eyes or the eyes of the British but she won the rest of the world over which was the point I was making.
 
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Wasn't Princess Diana of the House of Stuart line ?

That would have been important to my Jacobite forefathers.

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yes but it can also be used as a derogatory term....

I've never thought of the term "keep a stiff upper lip" as in any way derogatory. But then it may be because I'm American or at least not British.

There is apparently a difference between an American interpretation of it and the British one.

Maybe that is the reason it can be seen as a positive characteristic but also in certain contexts a negative one.
 
Boy you really have it out for me today.
None of comments were directed towards any of you
I’m certainly not going to apologize for every personal opinion I have
that you might disagree with.

I’m done :rolleyes::mad:
 
I've never thought of the term "keep a stiff upper lip" as in any way derogatory. But then it may be because I'm American or at least not British.

There is apparently a difference between an American interpretation of it and the British one.

Maybe that is the reason it can be seen as a positive characteristic but also in certain contexts a negative one.

The context keesha used ..was quote'' Cold Bitter Stiff upper lipped Brits '' ...that's derogatory in anyone's book...

No-one has ''it in for you'' Keesha, however if you want to make an argument out of the British Royal family.. you must expect to get opposing views from the British, and thus far I haven't opposed your views against Laurie on the Royals...not to say I agree with either of your views , but I haven't opposed them...
 
Hollydolly.... if you are looking to be offended, I’m sure you could find all kinds if things to be offended by but I did absolutely nothing wrong here whatsoever and refuse to put up with your sh*t any longer. You’ve been on my @ss all day long and I don’t think it actually has much to do with the subject matter.
 
Hollydolly.... if you are looking to be offended, I’m sure you could find all kinds if things to be offended by but I did absolutely nothing wrong here whatsoever and refuse to put up with your sh*t any longer. You’ve been on my @ss all day long and I don’t think it actually has much to do with the subject matter whatsoever.


Oh...you've lost me.. please point out the posts where I have been on your case ''all day long''... I think you've mistaken me for someone else... , but I'm very willing for you to point out the posts where I have been horrid to you. all day long .. in fact, you sent me a PM of apology earlier and I told you there was no problem whatsoever... .., and I would prefer it if you would moderate your language, it's not big nor clever..
 
Hollydolly.... if you are looking to be offended, I’m sure you could find all kinds if things to be offended by but I did absolutely nothing wrong here whatsoever and refuse to put up with your sh*t any longer. You’ve been on my @ss all day long and I don’t think it actually has much to do with the subject matter.

Oh...you've lost me.. please point out the posts where I have been on your case ''all day long''... I think you've mistaken me for someone else... , but I'm very willing for you to point out the posts where I have been horrid to you. all day long .. in fact, you sent me a PM of apology earlier and I told you there was no problem whatsoever... .., and I would prefer it if you would moderate your language, it's not big nor clever..


Sooooo, anyone up for pizza?

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Being British through and through I am left wondering what .........' Cold Bitter Stiff upper lipped Brits ''...actually means and have I actually been insulted???

Like Hollydolly I could also post a lot about Diana but I won't, whether it would be the same as Hollydolly could post I have no idea but my post certainly wouldn't be in favour of Diana...........whether folks agree with me or not I am not bothered but I do agree with Laurie's posts on the subject.
 
I don't know how Diana didn't know what she was getting into when she married into the royal family.

All they wanted was an heir to the throne.

As far as I am concerned a sort of surrogate.

Camper you are perfectly correct, the Queen Mother and Diana's grandmother colluded together for a match with Prince Charles and Diana because the Queen Mother was concerned that at Charles age he wouldn't be producing an heir to the throne.

I will always remember the day the engagement was announced Prince Charles was asked if he was in love, his reply was..........whatever love means.
 
The Queen Mother had more compassion than Princess Diana’s toe nails???
Perhaps in you’re world. I think I know of one other person in the world who would agree with you but she hates everyone :shrug:

Read my post again. That's not what I said.

I am not going to answer all the points raised.

What the rest of the world thinks doesn't matter, it's none of their business. They don't, or didn't, pay her bills and salary. I did, and I reserve the right to criticise my employees, and my ex-employees.

She communicated to people through her heart s

After first ensuring the press were there to record the even!

Like most I was delighted when Charles chose her. I thought she was a lovely girl who would, like her daughter in law Kate, be an asset to the family. I was quickly disillusion. .

Those of you quoting the "stiff upper lip" syndrome are obviously not familiar with the Princess Royal! She might say "naff off!" (and that's not always what she said) but there was never any doubt as to what she actually meant!

For the record I think I can take a more objective view since my country was subjugated by the English and a German usurper has been set in place to rule over us!
 
Oh...you've lost me.. please point out the posts where I have been on your case ''..
I will.
What the rest of the world thinks doesn't matter, it's none of their business. They don't, or didn't, pay her bills and salary. I did, and I reserve the right to criticise my employees, and my ex-employees.
YOUR employees and YOUR ex employees?
You see where I’m going with this?
If that isn’t a sense of entitlement I don’t know what is?

Camper you are perfectly correct, the Queen Mother and Diana's grandmother colluded together for a match with Prince Charles and Diana because the Queen Mother was concerned that at Charles age he wouldn't be producing an heir to the throne.
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Being British through and through I am left wondering what .........' Cold Bitter Stiff upper lipped Brits ''...actually means and have I actually been insulted???

Like Hollydolly I could also post a lot about Diana but I won't, whether it would be the same as Hollydolly could post I have no idea but my post certainly wouldn't be in favour of Diana...........whether folks agree with me or not I am not bothered but I do agree with Laurie's posts on the subject.
So you also have first hand political knowledge that the rest of us don’t have

My point being you...
Calling us Stiff upper lipped Brits... which most of us are not!!..
WHERE DID I CALL YOU THAT???
Where? Nowhere! You just decided to take the comments I made in this thread to mean you personally , just like the other thread where you chose to take what I said personally when IT WAS NOT about you.
I had only just finished apologizing to you personally for that when you jumped in here to hassle me.

No but the ones who think the way Laurie thinks about Princess Diana are.
Im not at all suggesting all Brits are like that . I actually was quite specific making this distinction
HERE is where I made the distinction. Unless you have political info that the REST of us common folks don’t.
The context keesha used ..was quote'' Cold Bitter Stiff upper lipped Brits '' ...that's derogatory in anyone's book...

No-one has ''it in for you'' Keesha, however if you want to make an argument out of the British Royal family.. you must expect to get opposing views from the British, and thus far I haven't opposed your views against Laurie on the Royals...not to say I agree with either of your views , but I haven't opposed them...
Of course I expect opposing views Hollydolly. What I don’t expect is for someone to twist my words to suite their mood which is exactly what you did . Plus you need to actually HAVE an opposing view. You had none. All you had was that I was insulting you and all other Brits

She was a manipulating harpy who played the press like a fish and who never so much as blinked without seeing what was in it for Diana.

She's not the first long legged blonde to fool the world and she won't be the last.

Compassionate? She couldn't even spell the word. The Queen Mother had more compassion in her toenail clipping than Diana showed in the whole of her self centred life.
This doesn’t sound like an inside political point of view but it does sound a lot LIKE a sexist one.

LOL, you do realise both Laurie and I are British, donthca? :D
I could say a lot about this subject, but like politics it's best to stay out of it...
Donthca? Yes I DO realize that you are both British. Does that mean I stifle my opinion ?
Again! My comments aren’t / weren’t about YOU. You just made them so and if you could say a lot about it to support your feelings towards Diana, then why wouldn’t you? If you want an opposing view that’s respected, then you might want to state it


But isn't that true of most posts on this or any other forum?
Very few of us have first hand knowledge of what we post about; we simply give our thoughts and opinions, yes and even speculation. That's what public debate is all about.
YES Laurie ! I do believe you are right about this and thank you for at least acknowledging it. :yes:
 
I never once mentioned the words horrid anywhere in any of my posts. Just before you called me out for having an opinion here, you called me out on another thread for apparently calling you a bully because I said I was feeling like part of the mean girls. It was how I was feeling and had nothing to do with you BUT I instantly apologized to both you and RaddishRose just in case I had inadvertently sounded like I threw you under the bus. I then instantly made a public apology and I thought we were good.

The time before that you made a jab at me for telling an online friend who joined the site that if she needed any help that I’d be willing to help her out.
It was a personal comment from one friend to another but you had to remind me that there are many members that she could ask since many have been here for many years but the CORRECT answer would be to ask Seabreeze or Matrix.

Then there is THIS discussion here about Princess Diana where I state right off the start that I don’t follow the Royals so don’t know much about them but I DO know that she was and still is one of the most beloved and adored women in the history of the world . The only people who didn’t think so were either privy to politics , that nobody either knew about , nor cared about OR they were stiff upper lipped cold hearted people and I STILL believe that.




So obviously you , Laurie and other people who don’t like her know inside info that none of us know or care to know which is EXACTLY what I said.


The point about ‘what the rest of the world thinks is none of anyone business,’ I think is absolutely outrageous!


Really? So now Laurie is going to tell the rest of the entire world that what they think and how they feel about Princess Diana is none of their business?
Well you are flat out wrong there.
You can’t tell me or anyone else who we can love and admire. That IS OUR BUSINESS!!!


And as far as that stiff upper lip attitude.
I am quite familiar with the term . Both my parents are stiff upper lip Brit’s which meant : children should be seen not heard, you don’t speak unless spoken to, no talking at the table, no talking back to your elders, no show of emotions because tears and sadness show weakness and you are to always stay strong. Public displays of affection and emotion are forbidden.


If one is naturally an emotional person then they are supposed to stuff all this emotion down and pretend. That’s called pretentiousness and most people don’t find it appealing or attractive. These days we are taught to embrace and love our authentic self. There was no room for that with some families and I don’t mean just the British but the British have been known to be pretentiously stuffy which is why the world loved Diana so much.. She was brave enough to just be herself ; even when her marriage fell apart she had the courage to address that with the entire world and she did it with style and grace.


Some people speculate that Diana knew all along that she was just chosen to be a surrogate mother and I certainly don’t know for certain but if a picture tells a 1,000 words , these pictures speak for themselves. 750 million tuned in to watch this love affair ( which of course was nobody’s business except for the British ?:shrug:)

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She was in love. It showed .
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It also showed when she discovered she had been cheated on. If she were merely in it for the role and popularity then would she look like this ? Of course not. She was heart broken and so was most of the rest of the world.
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Donated all kinds of money to charities and people suffering with AIDs and HIV . Something most were appalled by yet she became world famous for helping change the stigma about HIV & AIDS and was known to shake hands with infected people without gloves . She had a way making people feel special.


She was also known to be an advocate for the removal of dangerous land mines , in 1997 actually walked through an active minefield in Angola and hosted a television special on the topic.
( I’ve never seen any of the other royals walk through mine fields. Just sayin’)
She sat on the board of the Royal Marsden Hospital which specializing in cancer treatment.


She spoke up candidly about her husband’s infidelity as well as her own struggles with bulimia, depression and self harm, raising public awareness of these conditions.


Can you imagine the courage this woman had to have to go against the Royals and speak the truth to the entire world.? She was one of the Royals who didn’t hide behind a Royal throne and the world loved her for it.


She also had paparazzi following her the entire time. I can’t even begin to imagine a life like that yet she shone. The pressure this woman was under was incredible and I personally think she did an incredible job of recreating herself and moving on after the divorce and the world STILL loved her.


She worked with Mother Teresa , Nelson Mandela, Pope John 11 and became good friends with Elton John.


To this day , Princess Diana is STILL remembered for helping others. She recommended that people should do a random act of kindness with no expectation of reward , safe in the knowledge that one day someone might do the same to you.


Princess Diana became the “people’s princess “ by becoming the first Royal in history to express empathy & warmth towards the common downtrodden people of the United Kingdom. She became the Royal Princess at a time when the world was petrified of AIDS / HIV and people were being shunned and isolated. She made a huge contribution to change this.


She used her resources and status to become a force for good in the world. She made the world pay attention to causes that actually mattered and did it with flying colours but according to Laura, this was nobody’s business. According to Laura, she just had a good pair of legs and knew how to use them. That’s not only insulting to Diana but is insulting to all women.




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To me and millions of people throughout the world , Princess Diana kindness and compassion are legendary and what’s more important than that?




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