The sins of the fathers are visited on the children

I wouldn't say suffered exactly but my mother had an affair with another man and produced a child. When he got older, he suspected that there was something different about him and asked me if I knew anything. That put me in an awkward situation. I lied to him and said I didn't know. I still feel guilty but my mother was still alive then and I didn't want to cause a confrontation between them.
 

hollydolly said:
..and in various ways the Bible states this.... whether it's true or not, and I;d like to hope it's not...

..Have you at any time, suffered due to the sins of either of your parents, and in what way ?
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I wouldn't put my father on a pedestal but I have nothing but admiration and praise for the man.
His beloved wife, my mother, died at the age of 33 leaving him in the 1950's with four children, all
under the age of ten, to raise alone. That's after he had fought the authorities, tooth and nail, for
trying to put us up for adoption.

The stress nearly killed him when in 1961, an ulcer that had formed, ruptured. But my Dad is a survivor
and his children, although growing, needed a parent. He recovered, slowly but surely he got his life on
track. He's no saint, but he never shirked his duties and he never dated another woman. Mother was all
he ever wanted. In 2008, fifty two years after mother passed away, they were reunited. My Dad, my hero.

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Paco Dennis said:
Doesn't it say in the Bible that "EVERYONE has sinned and come short of the glory of God." ? I can't single out my parents or anyone else. We are all sinners. I can't cast the first stone. :)
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my question was not whether you've sinned but whether you think you've had to atone or suffer in some way for the sins of either parent...
 
hollydolly said:
..Have you at any time, suffered due to the sins of either of your parents, and in what way ?
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Of course, half of my genes come from each, and they raised me, so a lot of what I am is just a reflection of my parents.

I am lucky, both of my parents were good people. My mother was quite intelligent, insightful, happy and well liked. My father was also quite intelligent, but maybe a bit less of the other traits. Not a bad man, just not quite so near perfect as Mama... Wish I had gotten a few more of my mother's traits, but I did ok I think.

Not sure if these count as sins...
 
Alligatorob said:
Of course, half of my genes come from each, and they raised me, so a lot of what I am is just a reflection of my parents.

I am lucky, both of my parents were good people. My mother was quite intelligent, insightful, happy and well liked. My father was also quite intelligent, but maybe a bit less of the other traits. Not a bad man, just not quite so near perfect as Mama... Wish I had gotten a few more of my mother's traits, but I did ok I think.

Not sure if these count as sins...
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LOL...so the short answer would be NO..then... :LOL:
 
No, I don't think "sins" are passed on.
For those who quote the Bible, remember it's a translation of a translation
of a translation of a remembered series of events, changed by repeated storytelling
and by councils of "the Church".
You are your own soul. You grow to God in your own way IMO.
Isn't "SIN" just movements of evolution or de-evolution , judged by man
and used to control masses of people?

Pepper mentioned genetic "sins" of disease passed on.
Perhaps that's what was meant by that quote.
 
Gaer said:
No, I don't think "sins" are passed on.
For those who quote the Bible, remember it's a translation of a translation
of a translation of a remembered series of events, changed by repeated storytelling
and by councils of "the Church".
You are your own soul. You grow to God in your own way IMO.
Isn't "SIN" just movements of evolution or de-evolution , judged by man
and used to control masses of people?

Pepper mentioned genetic "sins" of disease passed on.
Perhaps that's what was meant by that quote.
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Long ago, in a different location, a newspaper with a wide circulation had a "religion" column; minister, priests, pastors, etc., were encouraged to contribute articles.
I can't place the "religion" an individual said she was speaking for, but what she said shows how much excuse-the-word-garbage comes up in the name of "religion."

She said when individuals have hereditary medical conditions, it means their ancestors 'sinned' and were never 'forgiven.' She said, specifically, that the unforgiven sin was incest.
How's that for crazy and insulting?!?
 
fuzzybuddy said:
You do know that we are the fathers of our children?
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That is precisely why Judaism is passed down by the mothers and not the fathers. Since there were a lot of wars & skirmishes, rape & kidnapping was a favored past time. It was not so much infidelity as this that caused the religion to be passed through the mother. If mom was Jewish, so are you.

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there is a possibility I didn't understand Fuz' remark here. Oh well, sorry!
 
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hollydolly said:
..Have you at any time, suffered due to the sins of either of your parents, and in what way ?
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Yes. My maternal grandfather was an alcoholic. Though my mother is a teetotaler because of it, she didn't deal with--didn't know to--the emotional damage from having an alcoholic parent until she was in her 40s. Her coping mechanism was to become the 'hero' of the codependency family dynamic and for her, that meant emotional walls including marrying my emotionally distant dad. My sister and I sought counseling in our 20s as "adult children of alcoholics" though we were the grandchildren of an alcoholic. Our counseling inspired Mom to do the same.

Her older brother followed in my grandfather's footsteps and died of cirrhosis in his 40s; his son died a few years ago of the same in his 50s.

The Bible is filled with accurate observations of human behavior ...some of which don't change over millinnia. "Generational curses" of substance abuse, distorted relational patterns etc continue unless the chain is actively broken. That's what I think this means.

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Hmm, not sure I'd call it a sin but I was surprised when I first learned my grandfather was a bootlegger and occasional truck hijacker. Add to that the revelation my mother worked for several legit mafia business fronts. During the Watergate hearings I got a real shock when she started telling me about one of the witnesses (who shall remain nameless) and how he was the go-between for Nixon and mob bosses in California.

I think those discoveries influenced my libertarian views to this day (which surely is a sin in some circles). I don't have much sympathy for those who avail themselves of illegal services then cry foul when caught or ruined.
 
I guess I could complain that my parents weren't super rich, and famous. My parents gave me life and what they could. But what become my life is my own doing. I never bought into that sins of the father stuff. If I can't be judged on what are my sins alone, it seems vengeful to blame me for the sins of others. for which I have no control.
BTW my grandparents were bootleggers. He brewed it, she sold it. You'd knock on her window. She raised it, and lift the window sill, the booze was stored underneath. They beat McDonalds drive-thru window by 30-40 years. My grand dad always had something going, some of it was even legal.
My dad's took his first "sick day" at age, 62. He had radicle neck cancer surgery. Until then, he never missed a day of work.
 
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My father being an alcoholic and philanderer abandoning our family. I absolutely suffered for his sins. My mother raised 6 of us alone. However I’ve lead a productive but difficult life. I think certain characteristics run in families and individuals can change this behavior to stop the cycle for your children and ancestors. We all have the ability to change. Yes we suffer from our parents sins. But we should forgive them. We also are sinners.
 
Pepper said:
That is precisely why Judaism is passed down by the mothers and not the fathers. Since there were a lot of wars & skirmishes, rape & kidnapping was a favored past time. It was not so much infidelity as this that caused the religion to be passed through the mother. If mom was Jewish, so are you.

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there is a possibility I didn't understand Fuz' remark here. Oh well, sorry!
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I think I meant that while we inherited from our parents, our kids are our heirs. Or something like that
.Hey, come on, it was a month ago.
 

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