The Statistics of Coronavirus Death Are Wrong
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rgp
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Again, I didn't 'say' anything, I asked you a question about your logic [or lack of] and how it applies.
That's what they should do. A positive test hopefully prior to passing should be matched against each death. Part of the issue with the numbers it's hard to tell what stage of the virus a person might have tested positive ie a person might actually have beaten the virus but had complications from something else.
Happyflowerlady
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Here is an interesting little chart. It shows the amount of deaths from pneumonia for the last several years. Amazingly...... when we get to the last couple of months......... no more pneumonia deaths !
They just fell off of the proverbial cliff, so to speak.
That kind of gives you the idea that maybe pneumonia deaths (which are fairly common for elderly people, or those with health/lung issues) have suddenly stopped being counted as such, and are now being counted as CV-19 deaths instead.
They just fell off of the proverbial cliff, so to speak.
That kind of gives you the idea that maybe pneumonia deaths (which are fairly common for elderly people, or those with health/lung issues) have suddenly stopped being counted as such, and are now being counted as CV-19 deaths instead.
An example of "Cause of Death" statistics:
In 2017, an actor - Mike Connors - ("Mannix") died. He was 91, which is a pretty long life span.
His cause of death was listed as "Leukemia."
After that many years, our immune system is not working as well as when we were young.....along with everything else. At some point, it is no longer able to control the growth of cancer cells, which we all have in our bodies. At that age, we also can't tolerate the toxic treatment - which is why they referred to his cancer as "Not Treatable" which means the treatment would cause death.
Same with someone whose balance is bad & causes falls - which are sometimes fatal in older people; due to the fall or pneumonia from lying in bed during a longer recovery, which causes fluid buildup in the older, tired lungs - which have been filtering impurities for many years.
The term: "Natural Causes" is rarely listed as the cause of death; even though that's what it usually was.
We all gotta die of something; we aren't designed to live forever.
In 2017, an actor - Mike Connors - ("Mannix") died. He was 91, which is a pretty long life span.
His cause of death was listed as "Leukemia."
After that many years, our immune system is not working as well as when we were young.....along with everything else. At some point, it is no longer able to control the growth of cancer cells, which we all have in our bodies. At that age, we also can't tolerate the toxic treatment - which is why they referred to his cancer as "Not Treatable" which means the treatment would cause death.
Same with someone whose balance is bad & causes falls - which are sometimes fatal in older people; due to the fall or pneumonia from lying in bed during a longer recovery, which causes fluid buildup in the older, tired lungs - which have been filtering impurities for many years.
The term: "Natural Causes" is rarely listed as the cause of death; even though that's what it usually was.
We all gotta die of something; we aren't designed to live forever.
I trust the numbers from the US systems, given that the actual cause of death is not always so cut and dried, but globally, it seems that the big issue is underreporting. Here's a link to one website about it. A google search will give you more.
Reporting COVID 19 cases and deaths
Reporting COVID 19 cases and deaths
And here is a link that explains the difference between manner of death (there are only 5 choices) and cause of death. In the Mike Connor case, the Manner of death would have been "Natural" and the Cause would be "Leukemia" or something else. Leukemia is a natural cause. If I shoot myself and die, Manner of death could be either Suicide or Accident, Cause would vary based on where the bullet struck. If you shoot me in the same spot, the manner would be Homicide, but the Cause would be the same.
And sometimes the Manner can not be determined, even though the Cause is clear. Did I shoot myself on purpose or by accident or did you shoot me? I dunno, so the Manner of death is Undetermined.
It is not an exact science. Life and death are messy.
Manner and Cause of Death
And sometimes the Manner can not be determined, even though the Cause is clear. Did I shoot myself on purpose or by accident or did you shoot me? I dunno, so the Manner of death is Undetermined.
It is not an exact science. Life and death are messy.
Manner and Cause of Death
Apparently the CDC guidelines tell hospitals to list covid-19 as the cause of death even though it may have only contributed to a person passing with other issues.
https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/...id-cause-death-even-just-assuming-contributed
From a memo on policy/'guidance' dated March 24
https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/...id-cause-death-even-just-assuming-contributed
From a memo on policy/'guidance' dated March 24
And another story about how it is being unreported.....
Underreporting
Either way, stay home and wash your hands.
Underreporting
Either way, stay home and wash your hands.
fmdog44
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fmdog44
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As far as posting opinions on this subject or any other subject keep in mind the documented certified qualifications of posters or lack of them. What separates this subject from others is the fact that parts of this virus are new or unknown to the experts in the medical field. Second, we are dealing with the potential of death related to this subject. We are free to choose to believe what we will but I will caution on the safe side and continue to take the advice of the experts and laugh off people that expound their theories based on nothing but hot air which is a polite way of saying "gas."