The Upper, Middle, and Lower Class of homeless people

Jules said:
Somewhere I read a recent article where the neighbours sued, presumably the city, to have the RVs removed. They won. Many had to be towed away. There was a lot of mess left behind.
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That's what often happens when an area like this gets cleared. The folks living there receive notice that they have to leave. Some do so on their own steam. Others can't relocate so the city tows and trashes the RVs. I recently read that it costs public works roughly $9000 to town and destroy these dinosaur RVs.
 
Remy said:
Seeing all this, anyone else just plain scared about retirement?
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I'm not particularly concerned about becoming homeless. Family and friends, some near, some thousands of miles away, would be there for me just as I would be there for them.

Are you scared of this, Remy? šŸ¤—
 

StarSong said:
I'm not particularly concerned about becoming homeless. Family and friends, some near, some thousands of miles away, would be there for me just as I would be there for them.

Are you scared of this, Remy? šŸ¤—
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Yes. I have more in my savings than what I paid for that house I bought in 2001 and I can't even find a decent mobile with that. Condos are out of my price range now. I could have bought one 10 or so years ago but I thought the security of an adult mobile part might be best. And I may have thought wrong like everything else.
 
Remy said:
Yes. I have more in my savings than what I paid for that house I bought in 2001 and I can't even find a decent mobile with that. Condos are out of my price range now. I could have bought one 10 or so years ago but I thought the security of an adult mobile part might be best. And I may have thought wrong like everything else.
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If I recall correctly you're reluctant to relocate to a less expensive area because of your (not very nice) stepfather who is in fragile health. Is that right?
 
Sippican said:
No, don't live out there or in a progressive city, so nothing to be scared about.
Massachusetts may be a socialist state, but we don't allow homeless people in our part of the state.
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What does that mean? How can an area of the US "not allow" homeless people unless they socialistically provide them housing to remedy the situation?

I'm sincerely curious about your area's solution.
 
StarSong said:
What does that mean? How can an area of the US "not allow" homeless people unless they socialistically provide them housing to remedy the situation?

I'm sincerely curious about your area's solution.
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many areas their "solution" is to..... move it along.......... where i live has a constant battle that south of here is a big progressive city ... they secretly load people up shopping carts and all ........and moves to towns and cities north of city .........
those of us north................ our police make it clear is is best if they head back down to the city that just shipped them here....
takes a bit some faster then others ............but most return to city.
spring / summer ( tourist season ) they will load up the trucks again to ship them north....
I expect to see a batch anytime now.
 
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Thereā€™s often mention that the homeless situation can be because of job loss, financial situations beyond the control of those who are on the street. Iā€™d like to know the statistics for this.

Everything Iā€™ve seen of the homeless camps, they are filthy. Stolen packages are discarded, bikes are stripped down, etc. Itā€™s not uncommon to see open use drugs on the sidewalks in front of public buildings. Public defecation behind stores that the owners have to deal with. Itā€™s a heck of a situation and they seem to be given permission to stay in prime areas. I canā€™t afford to live in downtown Vancouver, so it makes no sense that the government tolerates these locations.
 
Jules said:
Thereā€™s often mention that the homeless situation can be because of job loss, financial situations beyond the control of those who are on the street. Iā€™d like to know the statistics for this.

Everything Iā€™ve seen of the homeless camps, they are filthy. Stolen packages are discarded, bikes are stripped down, etc. Itā€™s not uncommon to see open use drugs on the sidewalks in front of public buildings. Public defecation behind stores that the owners have to deal with. Itā€™s a heck of a situation and they seem to be given permission to stay in prime areas. I canā€™t afford to live in downtown Vancouver, so it makes no sense that the government tolerates these locations.
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Many are illegals.
 
I was surprised when my friend, who lives in Cali and often goes to L.A. told me about the huge homeless problem there. Good idea to keep your truck and camper. Like my mother used to say "You never know what you're coming to in this life". And then there's the saying "There but by the grace of God go I". "Leaders want to shrink the number, but the solution is elusive." Well that's a tidy way to put it ! I think they'd better try to find solutions soon. Perhaps they can create programs that model areas in the country that are more effectively dealing with homelessness. With the ridiculous rents and housing prices I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers swell even more.

@Jules it really ticks me off that the powers that be can come up with money to help others, even those in (and from) other countries but not our own citizens who have fallen on hard times, some of whom are seniors on fix incomes and some are veterans! I'm not talking about the slackers, those who don't want to work but people who legitimately need help. Speaking of which..I didn't know Disgustedman was in that situation. I hope he gets the help he needs and can make that move.
 
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Teacher Terry said:
It just becomes another cityā€™s problem. Itā€™s not legal and will become a problem once itā€™s identified.
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Exactly so. That's a big reason why cities have such dire homeless issues. Small towns just "move them along."

Let somewhere else take care of homeless and potentially homeless, including those homegrown in small towns. Yes, I'm talking about your drug users, ostracized LGBTQ+, mentally unstable, HS dropouts, unskilled, the unemployed or unemployable, veterans with severe PTSD, foster care children who've aged out of the system with no safety nets, people with criminal records, etc.

Precisely what do people think we should do with these human beings? Drown them in the Pacific, perhaps? How about letting them starve to death? What about throwing them in jail, making them even more unlikely to get financial traction with the added bonus of a criminal record?

We're all ears waiting to hear the solutions. Perhaps the answer should be to "move them along" to small towns...
 
StarSong said:
Exactly so. That's a big reason why cities have such dire homeless issues. Small towns just "move them along."

Let somewhere else take care of homeless and potentially homeless, including those homegrown in small towns. Yes, I'm talking about your drug users, ostracized LGBTQ+, mentally unstable, HS dropouts, unskilled, the unemployed or unemployable, veterans with severe PTSD, foster care children who've aged out of the system with no safety nets, people with criminal records, etc.

Precisely what do people think we should do with these human beings? Drown them in the Pacific, perhaps? How about letting them starve to death? What about throwing them in jail, making them even more unlikely to get financial traction with the added bonus of a criminal record?

We're all ears waiting to hear the solutions. Perhaps the answer should be to "move them along" to small towns...
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Ok, here you go. This is not my solution but it is a solution that has been offered for undocumented immigrants in NYC. If this is a credible solution for them, then why not for citizens who are homeless?

And remember, this is not my idea. :)

NYC Mayor Adams says migrants might live in Gracie Mansion if New Yorkers open their homes​


Jun. 6ā€”STATEN ISLAND, N.Y. ā€” New York City is considering asking homeowners in the five boroughs to help house asylum seekers who have made their way here, and on Tuesday, Mayor Eric Adams said he's willing to step up too if the law allows.

At an unrelated morning press conference, the mayor said he'd welcome a family into Gracie Mansion, the official residence of New York City mayors on the Upper East Side, should officials determine it's legal to do so.

"I was speaking with the staff to see if I could put a few families into Gracie Mansion," he said. "I'm a big believer in leading from the front, and if it doesn't go against legal protocols...I don't have a problem if I could put a migrant family in Gracie Mansion."

"If someone is struggling in their mortgage and they have a spare bedroom, and we could find a way to say, 'How do we help you pay your mortgage because of whatever economic challenge you're going through?'" Adams said. "By, at the same time, helping the migrant crisis, we're willing to do that. I'm trying to deal with this crisis with all the tools that we have available to make sure we resolve it."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/othe...n-if-new-yorkers-open-their-homes/ar-AA1cdzbV
 
jimintoronto said:
Although the situation is nowhere as bad as in LA, Vancouver British Columbia draws homeless people from the rest of Canada due to the mild winters. It has been a destination for young people since the 1960's. JimB.
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I maintain here in our town we have no homeless. We have real winters, lots of snow and a shelter here where some folks live for free, so they can spend their welfare on other things. We see drug deals going down in front of the shelter all the time.
 
Jules said:
Rare in Canada. We have Mexican summer help programs for the orchards, etc. Theyā€™re great workers.
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They also are hired to care for Christmas tree farms. We used to live near a lot of these tree farms and the people running them said that the Mexicans are reliable , trust worthy hard workers. Iā€™m not sure why it surprised me. Maybe itā€™s the movies that stereotype Mexicans to be low lifeā€™s that are criminals and run illegal drug cartels.
 
StarSong said:
Exactly so. That's a big reason why cities have such dire homeless issues. Small towns just "move them along."
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the exact opposite is what i was talking about in a previous post where a big city trucked homeless out to the burbs..... about a mile away from my home in a public street the "local" homeless .......beat the hell out of one of the newly transported into the area. territory disputes are common


the reality is in a big city you have a better chance at more handouts ......
bigger population or people walking by equals more handing money to panhandlers etc.....

there is no solution until we do not spin the reality.......

1. some are simply unable to make insane rents ......but MANY more are substance abusing folks. easier to garner support if it was only high rents throwing people out

2. people with substance abuse treatment only works when they decide to get clean.......

3. mental health issues as well you can not fix those who refuse treatment.

4. we have many many issues with our own citizens and that should take priority over those who entered illegally into this country.

5. 80% of those so called seeking asylum are not granted and watch any media who interviews they all say they are coming for a JOB ( it is not legal to work here if company's follow the law) Many farm workers are here on a visa so able to work as long as visa is valid.
 

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