The Upper, Middle, and Lower Class of homeless people

I forget the name of the senator or governor who came up with what I think was a brilliant idea; a 4-tiered huge campus-style facility that included a hospital and treatment center, a fully staffed mental health clinic, a job skills training center and employment agency, and hundreds of small apartments.

I don't remember what state the idea person is in, either, or if s/he's still in office. This type of facility would cost trillions to build and staff, but imo it would be worth it. The plan was that all services would be free. Social workers would help the "residents" get whatever financial benefits they're eligible for; social security, unemployment, welfare, whatever; but no one is turned away for not being eligible. Residents enter the first tier: evaluate their needs and help them set realistic goals and objectives, enter the next tier based on those needs, start treatment and/or training, and so on.

At the end, (ideally) they come out clean, mentally reasonably sound, trained for a job and some job interviews lined up, and housed until they can afford their own place. It could take years for some residents but the idea included them working at the campus meanwhile, in housekeeping, grounds-keeping, janitorial services, meal prep, etc.

I like this idea. I don't know what happened to it.
I like it too, and if I thought it would work I'd support it, including paying for it. However I am skeptical... Do you know what happened in the state where it was suggested? Did they try it? Some kind of pilot might be worthwhile.
 

I like it too, and if I thought it would work I'd support it, including paying for it. However I am skeptical... Do you know what happened in the state where it was suggested? Did they try it? Some kind of pilot might be worthwhile.
The whole idea was shot down. Didn't even get to the House or whatever. I don't remember the state representative who proposed it, or even his/her state, but I'm gonna look for it. It happened about 5 years ago, so wish me luck.
 
I think it is easy to become superior feeling to those living in circumstances less than your own. This problem is like grappling with an octopus…grab on arm and another reaches out to grab you. If I was charged to address this issue I might first try to categorize the folks themselves. For instance…the newly homeless fixed income person who lost their housing due to rent increases or other housing issues is certainly an easier fix than the drug addicted person who lost their housing and support systems five years ago. Different people equals different solutions and different potential outcomes.
 

Absolutely. No one wants to invite civil unrest at the risk of family safety....no one, no matter what the economic status of a location.
Do you realize that there’s working people that are homeless because they can’t afford rent? How about having some empathy and compassion. I find this attitude very much like Marie Antoinette “Let them eat cake.” She didn’t have the last laugh in the end.
 
I tried to not get political by purposely avoiding names, parties, and places. Instead, I was addressing one man's opinion (mine) concerning an issue that affects all of us, (homelessness). If I have failed, I apologize. However, when someone, intended or not, maligns my entire country by implying we are not funding the problem (and massively so) I only felt it right to point out a counterbalancing hypothesis. And, in fact, I believe everyone here has opined a very broad-minded discussion of a universal problem.
 
Do you realize that there’s working people that are homeless because they can’t afford rent? How about having some empathy and compassion. I find this attitude very much like Marie Antoinette “Let them eat cake.” She didn’t have the last laugh in the end.
I do realize there are homeless people for different reasons. Some want to live on the streets. Some are mentally ill. I also realize there are billions of $ spent on programs to help these folks. I think people are quick to judge on here sometimes without knowing all the facts or background from where others come from. Yes, I live in a nice neighborhood, but that doesn't mean I don't have empathy and compassion.
Working in DC, at the end of the day I would take off my suit and tie and head out into the streets to talk and help the homeless. Steve was a homeless person I would see time and time again. We talked for hours, I would give him money and we talked about how he would spend it, I bought him a sleeping bag to fight off the cold during the winter nights. His 'sthick' was that he was looking for money to get back home, but after long talks he admitted he didn't have a home and it was just a way to get money. He didn't trust the government and being out in the cold was better than getting attacked in the shelters.
I worked in food pantries in two different states, sometimes when folks waited for the bus after they got food, I offered to take them home for them, and yes, in some bad neighborhoods where you were only allowed down the street if the 'guards' at the top of the street let you pass and only if you were with someone they knew. A white guy in a Mercedes was rarely seen in that neighborhood.
I also volunteer for the Red Cross. Helping truly homeless people in the middle of the night due to house fires, making sure they had food, shelter, and clothes. When the RedCross stipend was not enough to see them through, I would take my own money and give to them. I could go on and on about stories about homeless people and how I've helped them, not just by tossing some coins in a cup.

Now, I'm not saying any of this because I want a 'pat on the back', just the opposite, the people I help don't know me and most likely will never see me again and thats how I like it.
But if it changes one mind about how successful people are uncaring or lack empathy and compassion, then I feel I've done what God would want me to do.....walk in his shoes, walk amongst the truly needy and help in real life ways.
 
There is a mobile home park in the phoenix area that has been bought by developers recently. The park was/is full of older homes…which for the most part are not excepted by other parks. Some of these folks have been in this park for decades. Now they must move. So. What…exactly…is going to happen to these families? My three bedroom house I own rents for 1750.00 a month….
 
I do realize there are homeless people for different reasons. Some want to live on the streets. Some are mentally ill. I also realize there are billions of $ spent on programs to help these folks. I think people are quick to judge on here sometimes without knowing all the facts or background from where others come from. Yes, I live in a nice neighborhood, but that doesn't mean I don't have empathy and compassion.
Working in DC, at the end of the day I would take off my suit and tie and head out into the streets to talk and help the homeless. Steve was a homeless person I would see time and time again. We talked for hours, I would give him money and we talked about how he would spend it, I bought him a sleeping bag to fight off the cold during the winter nights. His 'sthick' was that he was looking for money to get back home, but after long talks he admitted he didn't have a home and it was just a way to get money. He didn't trust the government and being out in the cold was better than getting attacked in the shelters.
I worked in food pantries in two different states, sometimes when folks waited for the bus after they got food, I offered to take them home for them, and yes, in some bad neighborhoods where you were only allowed down the street if the 'guards' at the top of the street let you pass and only if you were with someone they knew. A white guy in a Mercedes was rarely seen in that neighborhood.
I also volunteer for the Red Cross. Helping truly homeless people in the middle of the night due to house fires, making sure they had food, shelter, and clothes. When the RedCross stipend was not enough to see them through, I would take my own money and give to them. I could go on and on about stories about homeless people and how I've helped them, not just by tossing some coins in a cup.

Now, I'm not saying any of this because I want a 'pat on the back', just the opposite, the people I help don't know me and most likely will never see me again and thats how I like it.
But if it changes one mind about how successful people are uncaring or lack empathy and compassion, then I feel I've done what God would want me to do.....walk in his shoes, walk amongst the truly needy and help in real life ways.
Thank you for your service. I too do things like you, but so many of us, myself included, could do so much more. I get it. However, there comes a point when we must look at the underlying issues rather than the temporary fixes. Living in RVs, tents, or under bridges can not be solved with limited dollars that are always needed elsewhere. Instead, it is the person, himself or herself, that must first want change. No reasonable amount of money can pull someone from self-destructive habits until they want to change.
 
But if it changes one mind about how successful people are uncaring or lack empathy and compassion, then I feel I've done what God would want me to do.....walk in his shoes, walk amongst the truly needy and help in real life ways.

It's hard to square your recent benificent, selfless post with your previous comments on this thread:

Massachusetts may be a socialist state, but we don't allow homeless people in our part of the state.

Our 'solution' is they don't come here. If they do, the police move them along. pretty simple.
To sum this up, you'll do what God would want - walk in His shoes, walk amongst the "truly needy."
Well, you will as long as they're not strolling through your neighborhood. If they are, your police will make sure these folks "move along" to someplace where they don't blight your view.

Recommendation: Be careful that you don't open your shirt; your heart might fall out.
 
There is a mobile home park in the phoenix area that has been bought by developers recently. The park was/is full of older homes…which for the most part are not excepted by other parks. Some of these folks have been in this park for decades. Now they must move. So. What…exactly…is going to happen to these families? My three bedroom house I own rents for 1750.00 a month….
Sadly, long-term renting always came with the hard, cruel, danger of present and future rent inflation. My parents downsized their family home 50 years ago when the property taxes got too high to keep the kids in college and food on the table, so they downsized and moved. I want to live in Naples Florida, but I can't afford to buy a house there, and for sure I can't afford the ever-increasing rents, so, I live where I can afford to live! I don't mean to sound cold, but that's the answer, that's just the way life is, but my heart and prayers still go out to those people in these trying times.
 
Thank you for your service. I too do things like you, but so many of us, myself included, could do so much more. I get it. However, there comes a point when we must look at the underlying issues rather than the temporary fixes. Living in RVs, tents, or under bridges can not be solved with limited dollars that are always needed elsewhere. Instead, it is the person, himself or herself, that must first want change. No reasonable amount of money can pull someone from self-destructive habits until they want to change.
You are so right.

The homeless are constantly changing individuals. Some, maybe many, do pull themselves up and make the necessary changes to a better life. That happens because as you have said they want that better life enough to make it happen. Others have been homeless for years and will die homeless no matter how much money is thrown at the problem.

Sippican, there are many people who do try to help as you have done. I think we all wish we could end homelessness but actually knowing someone in that lifestyle opens a window into how hopeless it seems that we can ever do enough for them. Like you have said they have their reasons, or excuses, why they won't go into a shelter and you cannot make it happen for them. They have freewill.

No, I don't want the homeless in my neighborhood either. There are lots and lots of children in my neighborhood playing outside and older people who walk for exercise. Why would I want the mentally ill or a criminal element walking with the helpless? I think you'd have to be a bit wonkie yourself to want homeless in your neighborhood.

The shelters are across the city from me and that suits me just fine. I do not want the homeless to come here but they are spreading. We know where they are and where the newer camps are. We know about the fires they start and the cars or garages that get pilfered.

Some people donate, some people volunteer, some do both, but our first duty is to our families and our neighbors safety. We all watch out for each other here.
 
It's hard to square your recent benificent, selfless post with your previous comments on this thread:




To sum this up, you'll do what God would want - walk in His shoes, walk amongst the "truly needy."
Well, you will as long as they're not strolling through your neighborhood. If they are, your police will make sure these folks "move along" to someplace where they don't blight your view.

Recommendation: Be careful that you don't open your shirt; your heart might fall out.
The thing many people don't realize, or don't see sitting from their comfy homes, is that many of these 'homeless' are criminals first and foremost. I can sense needy from opportunists that are here for their own financial gains. Many illegals are criminals. Just by the fact they are here to take from Americans with no ambitions of taking care of themselves. Many are criminals from other countries, sent to the border from countries that are emptying out their jails. People that have no respect for the human life, that only are out for themselves in a selfish way.
We should not take in everyone into America. We are a sovereign nation of laws. Laws that are in place to protect Americans.
Funny how you change my words to fit your narrative. Thats ok, like I said, I'm not here to look for approval. I know what I'm doing helps truly needy people. That is the key phrase, "truly needy people". If you don't think there are good and bad people, then you need to get out more.
Recommendation: Look outside the state of CA, out into the real world, and you will see a capitalist America helping people vs. a suppressive state where people are fleeing every day.
 
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I tried to not get political by purposely avoiding names, parties, and places. Instead, I was addressing one man's opinion (mine) concerning an issue that affects all of us, (homelessness). If I have failed, I apologize. However, when someone, intended or not, maligns my entire country by implying we are not funding the problem (and massively so) I only felt it right to point out a counterbalancing hypothesis. And, in fact, I believe everyone here has opined a very broad-minded discussion of a universal problem.
I think part of the problem is 1) it is frowned upon to discuss politics. Politics is the root of our problems here in the US. 2) you will find many instances where corruption hides behind the veil of good and honesty. An example is immigration. Some would say we need to open our borders to everyone because we are a free open country and it is the right thing to do based on religious teachings. Sounds good on its face value, but the destruction it brings in the way of criminals, drugs, and opportunists that have other plans rather than help themselves and in turn humanity.
There are other plans being implemented here in the US that are more nefarious that the goodness of doing what is right from a mankind perspective. Those are the tings that get overlooked because we have been taught that discussion of politics is bad. It is not. Political discussion (done in a respectful way...meaning no name calling) is healthy. It separates facts from fiction done in the right context. Spending time in DC politics and more importantly, drinks after work, you learn alot about what is being projected to Americans and what is being hidden. DC politics is different than politics discussions around the country. DC politics, each side truly believes in their positions and that they are good for the country. You don't hear the crass talking slander that conversations devolve to around the country. The debate is lost when slander becomes the tool of the loser. Don't raise your voice, improve your argument. The only way to improve your argument is through education. What we see in the media is biased based on the agenda of the reporting organization. Many of us, busy with day to day living, do not have time to dig in, look for more factual information, so we take the evening news as factual and we adopt it as our own. This is dangerous because when faced with facts, the dialog devolves into something other than the truth.
I hope this stays above the guidelines for politics here....it is not designed to be confrontational but explaining how we end up in a difficult place from a communications and understanding perspective.
 
While I totally agree with what you say @Sippican about politics and political discussion…this homeless problem was a long long long time building to this point. In the last 50 years we have had almost endless wars, deinstitutionalized mentally ill, several recessions, new addictive drugs hit the street. Fifty years ago your credit score did not haunt you. You could find a place to rent without a lease. Family units were stronger. So very much is different now…it is very complex.
 
While I totally agree with what you say @Sippican about politics and political discussion…this homeless problem was a long long long time building to this point. In the last 50 years we have had almost endless wars, deinstitutionalized mentally ill, several recessions, new addictive drugs hit the street. Fifty years ago your credit score did not haunt you. You could find a place to rent without a lease. Family units were stronger. So very much is different now…it is very complex.
Agreed, it is very complex, but as others on here mentioned, we need to separate the truly needy vs opportunists. Only recently many criminals fallen under the cover as 'homeless'. I found many homeless people these days are looking for the handouts and not being a contributor to society in general. Sure, we can say America has given refuge to immigrants for decades, but if you look back, those immigrants had personal values and moral standards. They come to America to not only better their lives, but to help build a strong valued country. Today, many that are coming here are looking to become generational welfare recipients. Western Union has had some of its most busiest years. Why? Because many immigrants are sending money home from 'under the table' jobs and living off of the free welfare system. Those along with criminals, terrorists, MS13 and drug cartel are taking advantage of our generosity. The billions spent on housing illegal immigrants could go a long way to helping Americas, but their presences is for a different purpose.
Some folks want to lump them all together and pull on our heart strings and classify them all as immigrants coming here for a better life, to grow and prosper. As I said at the start, we need to secure our borders so we can better vet the people coming across. Send back the M13s, criminals, and drug mules. Then make the others go through the process that past immigrants did through Ellis Island.
We won't do that until everyone can see the problem clearly and not hide behind the kindness of Americans.
 
I like this idea. I don't know what happened to it.
As an idea it sounds great. The only problem I can think that could be a deterrent would be every state would have to build multiple facilities to handle the volume. I don't think it's a stretch of the imagination to suspect states with large population of homeless & didn't spend the money necessary to do all the is suggested would begin busing homeless to a state that had a facility.

Then there is the jobs aspect. Training to do what ?

Then there is human nature. I think it's possible those living from paycheck to paycheck struggling to get by everyday could look at a facility that houses, feeds & cares for peoples medical needs for free "free" as in their taxes help pay for that facility as would stop struggling and apply to live there to.
 
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I watched a video on YouTube where Portland Oregon had some grant to put tiny homes in the back yards of people who were willing. This mess cost 1/2 million and ended up only 4 tiny homes. They interviewed one homeowner who participated. She said the mother and daughter who lived in her tiny house moved out after 2 years.

After 5, the tiny house was supposed to then be granted to the landowner. But in the end she had to pay for it. And it all cost 1/2 million. I suspect a whole lot of people got paid to sit on their butts and talk. This is how solutions seem to work. It's infuriating.
 
I saw proof positive this week that Target has a higher class of beggars than Walmart. While beggars are common outside of my Walmart, I recently saw and heard a beggar outside of my local Target store who was beautifully playing…a violin! 🎻
 
I saw proof positive this week that Target has a higher class of beggars than Walmart. While beggars are common outside of my Walmart, I recently saw and heard a beggar outside of my local Target store who was beautifully playing…a violin! 🎻
Not beggar, busker.
 
I saw proof positive this week that Target has a higher class of beggars than Walmart. While beggars are common outside of my Walmart, I recently saw and heard a beggar outside of my local Target store who was beautifully playing…a violin! 🎻
This is a "thing" now. I've seen several local reports of people playing a violin in grocery store parking lots and I've seen it myself. Different people are reporting it and the descriptions are of different players. The only thing that stays the same in all the stories is the violin.

One man said the person he saw wasn't actually playing. He pretended to play the violin but he had a small amplifier playing a playlist from a phone. Another described a mother and a boy. The mother did not speak English and the boy said they had crossed from Mexico. Another said the player he saw was a black man.

The one I actually saw was a young man alone. This was before I saw the other reports and I thought it was an original idea. Apparently not.

It must be getting fairly common.
 


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