There Was The Age Of Aquarius; Where Are We Now in Terms of Ages?
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I don't consciously relate to evolution in mathematical terms, I leave the maths to take care of itself. On the other hand, where philosophys and Science reach similar conclusions I believe there is both an unconscious relationship " evolving " in every sense of the term.
Mathematics, can i I believe explain everything that needs explaining and it, of course , has it's philosophical aspects that are quite marked. Cabbalah, once insight on a specific is realised on one level initiates a chain-reaction of understanding and is founded on the principle that all interaction is harmonious in terms of true belief systems - providing they are based on a rational premise. The cryptographic nature of things whether relating to cybernetics or something other is like everything else, the inevitable manifestation of an intelligent universe trying to communicate with and understand itself.
There is here, an attempt to understand on different levels and in different ways that merely as a consequence of subliminal empathy produces the continual " kick-starting " of evolution in new ways. Hence no beginning and no end , just the Universe as an endless cycle of birth, death and rebirth, but in this sense we are talking about the " apparent reality ", that is, the realm of physics which the Buddhists refers to as an " illusion".
By that is meant that , what is real is what is eternal and undying only, the physical universe is regarded as illusion because it is impermanent and passes away. The mind , as I have been trying to emphasise is eternal . from that perspective , one could consider "Paradise" as a mental equation. The fall from grace in the Cabbalistic sense for example was a fall from a " higher " mental state , a semi-divine state that humanity is attempting to return to.
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I am a Cancerian which in western astrology is associated with the Crab, but in other ancient civilizations, Cancer was associated with the Scarab . there was also a 13'th sign in pre-Biblical times associated with the Spider.
Astrology is often more interesting for it's mythology than it's fact.
As for a peace- movement, I believe that will yet come when the younger generation finally realise, it if they want a better future they will have to take the bull by the horns and create their own, instead of relying on O.A,P.s and their redundant Party-Political philosophy's. ( O.A.P.s is not a reference to the elderly, I mean Old Age Politician's - the servants of Kali who are only interested in power and nothing else. )
I don't consciously relate to evolution in mathematical terms, I leave the maths to take care of itself. On the other hand, where philosophys and Science reach similar conclusions I believe there is both an unconscious relationship " evolving " in every sense of the term.
Mathematics, can i I believe explain everything that needs explaining and it, of course , has it's philosophical aspects that are quite marked. Cabbalah, once insight on a specific is realised on one level initiates a chain-reaction of understanding and is founded on the principle that all interaction is harmonious in terms of true belief systems - providing they are based on a rational premise. The cryptographic nature of things whether relating to cybernetics or something other is like everything else, the inevitable manifestation of an intelligent universe trying to communicate with and understand itself.
There is here, an attempt to understand on different levels and in different ways that merely as a consequence of subliminal empathy produces the continual " kick-starting " of evolution in new ways. Hence no beginning and no end , just the Universe as an endless cycle of birth, death and rebirth, but in this sense we are talking about the " apparent reality ", that is, the realm of physics which the Buddhists refers to as an " illusion".
By that is meant that , what is real is what is eternal and undying only, the physical universe is regarded as illusion because it is impermanent and passes away. The mind , as I have been trying to emphasise is eternal . from that perspective , one could consider "Paradise" as a mental equation. The fall from grace in the Cabbalistic sense for example was a fall from a " higher " mental state , a semi-divine state that humanity is attempting to return to.
@Ruthanne
I am a Cancerian which in western astrology is associated with the Crab, but in other ancient civilizations, Cancer was associated with the Scarab . there was also a 13'th sign in pre-Biblical times associated with the Spider.
Astrology is often more interesting for it's mythology than it's fact.
As for a peace- movement, I believe that will yet come when the younger generation finally realise, it if they want a better future they will have to take the bull by the horns and create their own, instead of relying on O.A,P.s and their redundant Party-Political philosophy's. ( O.A.P.s is not a reference to the elderly, I mean Old Age Politician's - the servants of Kali who are only interested in power and nothing else. )
Im assuming the term "based on rational premise", means rational within the tenants or axioms of that argument. Is that correct?
Im also reading that the endless cycle of birth, death etc. could be considered periodic, somewhat like a pendulum perhaps?
Also, perhaps, the fall from Paradise could be described as "no more umbilical cords"
What are your thoughts on supra luminal speeds, i.e.. Bell"s paradox?
Forgive my re-interpretations and questions. But as a Cancer and a water sign you know still waters run deep.
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A/yes
B/Not sure where you are going with this. Pendulums both swing & rotate, but they are never completely at rest.Time is flexible in my view of events , much like Einstein's theory's on space or dimension.
I suppose the nearest equivalent is where a particle beam behaves like a wave, and a wave like a particle beam depending on your point of focus - and intent.
C/ The fall could be described in a multiplicity of ways and none are necessarily wrong. As far as the fall from Grace is concerned I am insinuating that Grace and Paradise are the same thing and both reference a state of mind beyond human analysis.
D/ In regard to Bell's theorum, Dewan & Beren & Bell could all be correct but not exclusively, Both Ships and string are subject to unknown factors determined by unknown laws in regard to which Universe or dimensional matrix they are in. Whether in " our" universe or an alternate known laws on all possible interactions can't be complete, in the sense that all laws of physics, quantum or otherwise remain temporal, therefore subject to flux or change.
You know, I think we may be at the point where we are beginning to go around in circles.That's not a pun , by the way.
B/Not sure where you are going with this. Pendulums both swing & rotate, but they are never completely at rest.Time is flexible in my view of events , much like Einstein's theory's on space or dimension.
I suppose the nearest equivalent is where a particle beam behaves like a wave, and a wave like a particle beam depending on your point of focus - and intent.
C/ The fall could be described in a multiplicity of ways and none are necessarily wrong. As far as the fall from Grace is concerned I am insinuating that Grace and Paradise are the same thing and both reference a state of mind beyond human analysis.
D/ In regard to Bell's theorum, Dewan & Beren & Bell could all be correct but not exclusively, Both Ships and string are subject to unknown factors determined by unknown laws in regard to which Universe or dimensional matrix they are in. Whether in " our" universe or an alternate known laws on all possible interactions can't be complete, in the sense that all laws of physics, quantum or otherwise remain temporal, therefore subject to flux or change.
You know, I think we may be at the point where we are beginning to go around in circles.That's not a pun , by the way.
Yes circles somewhat, I think we are talking about the same thing, I was simply trying to put them in my math perspective not trying to pin you down.
I was referring to Bells more from the point of information theory, which because of the dual nature of light having wave properties but is still discrete, which is your comment under B. At velocity faster than light the "information" is lost. And at increasing smaller scales concepts such as time have no meaning.
My question in A was directed at moving along with this topic to states past periodic (which imply phase and wavelength) into "bifurcation" concepts, where increasing smaller steps
bring more entropy into the system to the point of "chaos" (in the math sense not the lay popular) sometimes called chatter and also more information.
At some point these systems under go what Hakin called "self organizational criticality". What are your thoughts on this?
I was referring to Bells more from the point of information theory, which because of the dual nature of light having wave properties but is still discrete, which is your comment under B. At velocity faster than light the "information" is lost. And at increasing smaller scales concepts such as time have no meaning.
My question in A was directed at moving along with this topic to states past periodic (which imply phase and wavelength) into "bifurcation" concepts, where increasing smaller steps
bring more entropy into the system to the point of "chaos" (in the math sense not the lay popular) sometimes called chatter and also more information.
At some point these systems under go what Hakin called "self organizational criticality". What are your thoughts on this?
Can you show me some proof of that dear aeron?
nthego:Proof of which? Proof that conflict has benefited us? Most technology development has been driven by conflict or preparation for conflict. Proof that those least suited to integrate into evolved and evolving society used to wither by the wayside? Look at society that has adopted to suit those unable to integrate and add to evolved society and how there has been a leveling down.Can you show me some proof of that dear aeron?
Charles Darwin wrote a very interesting lesser known book as a follow on to his 'Origin of Species', The Descent of Man. To say that it is 'non-pc' would be to understate it in spades but nonetheless it contains empirical truths.
In chapter 5 he includes this -----
"With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health. We civilised men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination; we build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed, and the sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak members of civilised societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed"
I agree with this unreservedly and absolutely.
Well, okay.
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In what way has a Society evolved in a world of Terrorist-fueled conflict?
Terrorists are neither evolved or strong , either genetically or mentally.
Technology may have " evolved" in response to conflict, that is, via the argument that Necessity is the Mother of Invention, but certainly not because of conflict.
In today's society, anyone with money can buy weapons of mass destruction . Hate is not a product of evolution, nor is the desire for power. These are not strengths but weaknesses born of fear and paranoia.
Newsflash - Nietzshe's superman didn't win World War 2, the winners were those Nations who's compassion for humanity and intelligent sense of right and wrong drove them to defy the so-called " Master-race ".
Darwin does not explain or deal with the evolution of consciousness, which has- and never can be proven to have a biological origin.All such arguments in that direction are driven by Science-Dogma and not Science-Fact.
Darwin also shoots himself in the foot here when he refers to the " race of man ". The argument for one race-one people is a product of religious belief, a religious belief manipulated by poisonous individuals like Hitler, who mis-translate and pervert
universal teachings to pursue Genocide.
Today's Neo-Darwinists long since recognised this gap in evolutionary theory originating from the absurdity of " one" missing link.
Neo-Darwinists themselves may continue to gloss over that face to save face, but their case is considerably weakened by the fact that the only case for One-Race -One People is the Judaic Tanakh's argument that " God created man "
What next?
Are you going to tell us the Shoah never happened?
In what way has a Society evolved in a world of Terrorist-fueled conflict?
Terrorists are neither evolved or strong , either genetically or mentally.
Technology may have " evolved" in response to conflict, that is, via the argument that Necessity is the Mother of Invention, but certainly not because of conflict.
In today's society, anyone with money can buy weapons of mass destruction . Hate is not a product of evolution, nor is the desire for power. These are not strengths but weaknesses born of fear and paranoia.
Newsflash - Nietzshe's superman didn't win World War 2, the winners were those Nations who's compassion for humanity and intelligent sense of right and wrong drove them to defy the so-called " Master-race ".
Darwin does not explain or deal with the evolution of consciousness, which has- and never can be proven to have a biological origin.All such arguments in that direction are driven by Science-Dogma and not Science-Fact.
Darwin also shoots himself in the foot here when he refers to the " race of man ". The argument for one race-one people is a product of religious belief, a religious belief manipulated by poisonous individuals like Hitler, who mis-translate and pervert
universal teachings to pursue Genocide.
Today's Neo-Darwinists long since recognised this gap in evolutionary theory originating from the absurdity of " one" missing link.
Neo-Darwinists themselves may continue to gloss over that face to save face, but their case is considerably weakened by the fact that the only case for One-Race -One People is the Judaic Tanakh's argument that " God created man "
What next?
Are you going to tell us the Shoah never happened?
If it were not for the real and present danger that Islamic activists create there is little doubt that technological developments to counter the threat would not be taking place, certainly not at the pace that is taking place. Also worth note that what defeated the Germans was nothing other than the manufacturing capacity of the USA.
Darwin's use of the phrase 'race of man' is an alternative to the better classification of homo sapiens.
As for the Holocaust there is no question that an industrialised campaign to cleanse Europe from people that INCLUDED the European jew, useless eaters, life unworthy of life, and communists took place.
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Still arguing that the Americans defeated the Germans?
Come on, America was nowhere in sight during the Battle of Britain. that was won by the R.A.F. and a little thing called the Spitfire-a British invention. The Dambuster bomb - also British, etc. None of that was manufactured in America. The Battle of Stalingrad was won by those big bad commies the Russians., with a little help from Mother Nature.
Where was America then, oh, of course, - out in the pacific fighting the Japanese.
The war in Europe was won by the British and Russians with more help from Greece and other European nations.We are and always will be thankful for America's contribution, and yes , it was very significant, but it was not America alone that won the war.
D'Day was not an American only plan or Invasion.America played it's part, but without the other Nations involved they would have gotten nowhere.
If not for Pearl Harbour would America even have entered the conflict?
As for your inference that Islamic activism resulted in technological developments in weaponry and defence systems, that is untrue.
Iron Dome was invented by the Israelis and the current rate of technological change has been steadily advancing since the 1970's among both Eastern and Western Nations, many of whom have not been actively involved in war but saw a profit from selling weapons to war-torn countries instead and developed a market accordingly.
This race to the bottom is a product of old fashioned greed and nothing more.
At this point I think I will withdraw from this thread as it is in danger of becoming acrimonious. Coming from the Jewish Diaspora I could respond further to your last sentence but I will not embrace absurdity for the sake of it,- useless eaters - really?
It has veered considerably from the original subject matter and I apologise to the moderators for my part in that.
Still arguing that the Americans defeated the Germans?
Come on, America was nowhere in sight during the Battle of Britain. that was won by the R.A.F. and a little thing called the Spitfire-a British invention. The Dambuster bomb - also British, etc. None of that was manufactured in America. The Battle of Stalingrad was won by those big bad commies the Russians., with a little help from Mother Nature.
Where was America then, oh, of course, - out in the pacific fighting the Japanese.
The war in Europe was won by the British and Russians with more help from Greece and other European nations.We are and always will be thankful for America's contribution, and yes , it was very significant, but it was not America alone that won the war.
D'Day was not an American only plan or Invasion.America played it's part, but without the other Nations involved they would have gotten nowhere.
If not for Pearl Harbour would America even have entered the conflict?
As for your inference that Islamic activism resulted in technological developments in weaponry and defence systems, that is untrue.
Iron Dome was invented by the Israelis and the current rate of technological change has been steadily advancing since the 1970's among both Eastern and Western Nations, many of whom have not been actively involved in war but saw a profit from selling weapons to war-torn countries instead and developed a market accordingly.
This race to the bottom is a product of old fashioned greed and nothing more.
At this point I think I will withdraw from this thread as it is in danger of becoming acrimonious. Coming from the Jewish Diaspora I could respond further to your last sentence but I will not embrace absurdity for the sake of it,- useless eaters - really?
It has veered considerably from the original subject matter and I apologise to the moderators for my part in that.
Whoa. Molecular Evolution in the scientific sense has "evolved" pun intended , so far past Darwin and Neo-Darwinism using it as a survival of the strongest argument is lame at best.
It would be more accurate to say, Survival of the least mutagenic perhaps, in the sense the male genome is the most mutagenic. Note made known to the public is that their are some folks out their immune to HIV, and current research is showing that random mutation probability rates in cancer are produce that exogenous sources.
The manufacturing capacity of the US created WWII era Germany (Ford engines, railways, ATT, telephones communication lines etc.) and with the help of the hoards of Russian solders bodies defeated it. Big question is who financed it. Certainly not Germany a wheel barrel full of money wouldn't even buy a loaf of bread.
It would be more accurate to say, Survival of the least mutagenic perhaps, in the sense the male genome is the most mutagenic. Note made known to the public is that their are some folks out their immune to HIV, and current research is showing that random mutation probability rates in cancer are produce that exogenous sources.
The manufacturing capacity of the US created WWII era Germany (Ford engines, railways, ATT, telephones communication lines etc.) and with the help of the hoards of Russian solders bodies defeated it. Big question is who financed it. Certainly not Germany a wheel barrel full of money wouldn't even buy a loaf of bread.
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astrology a pseudo science, doesn't mean much, pot, the thc causes harm in youth whose brains are still forming, that's why I don't want it legal, for medicinal, that's another thing, in CA it seems anyone can get a form from their doctor, and those that use on a regular basis, seem more like a dummy, sorry, it speaks for itself.