This Is Not A Well Known Fact

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This Is Not A Well Known Fact
More Americans were killed in the U.S. Civil War, 1861- 1865 (620,000) than in all the wars since then.

War of 1812 -----------20,000
Mexican American War 1846-----13,283
Spanish American War 1898-----2,446
WW 1 1917-------116,000
WW 2 1941-------416,000
Korea 1950-------36,914
Viet Nam 1964---58,169
 

It's been a long time since I've looked at any of those statistics but other than the Civil War, the meanest, roughest junkyard dog to come down the pike was that Viet Nam thing. I always felt the McCarthy years were similar to the Civil War in how it decided the country. I didn't get all the argument of that period because I was in Frozen Chosen trying to keep my feet and hands warm.
 
Lon said:
This Is Not A Well Known Fact
More Americans were killed in the U.S. Civil War, 1861- 1865 (620,000) than in all the wars since then.

War of 1812 -----------20,000
Mexican American War 1846-----13,283
Spanish American War 1898-----2,446
WW 1 1917-------116,000
WW 2 1941-------416,000
Korea 1950-------36,914
Viet Nam 1964---58,169
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Well, it makes sense, since both sides were American and therefore all casualties were American.
 

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Dame Warrigal said:
Instead of spoon feeding them, a good history teacher encourages the students to find the facts for themselves, from multiple sources.
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The kids, today, just turn on their iPhone and ask Siri. Growing up, we had to actually research to find answers. The World Book encyclopedia. Encyclopedia Britannica. Magazine articles. Newspapers. One could spend hours in a library researching a particular topic. Today, you simply as Siri... or Goggle it.
 
Remember the card catalog in the library? In my senior year in high school I did a long paper for history class, and the subject I chose was the trial of the conspirators to kill Lincoln. I spent MANY hours in the local library and in the university library, amongst musty old books, researching my subject.
 
Grumpy Ol' Man said:
The kids, today, just turn on their iPhone and ask Siri. Growing up, we had to actually research to find answers. The World Book encyclopedia. Encyclopedia Britannica. Magazine articles. Newspapers. One could spend hours in a library researching a particular topic. Today, you simply as Siri... or Goggle it.
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Not if their teacher is on the ball. When I gave students an assignment, admittedly some years ago, they were allowed to consult one hard copy encyclopaedia and one on disc such as Britannica and they also had to seek out other sources - books, journals and magazines - and all had to be properly referenced. When they handed in their first draft they had to also hand in their notes for me to check. If the notes looked like they had been cobbled together after the draft was written, it was probably cut and pasted and I made them start again, in their own words.

The purpose of teaching history by exploring the subject is to develop research skills. Just asking Siri won't cut the mustard.

Anyway, which age group are you talking about? If the children are very young, do they need to explore the casualty rates of different wars? If they are older, say middle school or older, then not only should they find these things out for themselves, they should present them to the class for critical evaluation.
 
Not a teacher, I taught High School Math, school-year 2002-'03 at the insistent request of the school's Principal, in Bunker, MO, pop. 390. We needed the income. I had taught classes in Electrical Safety to Sears Maintenance people, but that was the extent of my teaching experience. The school's Math teacher had quit, suddenly, two weeks before school was to open.

I expected teaching young adults to be a might easier than small children. There were 47 students in the H.S., we graduated 17 that year. Very tough daily schedule, Algebra I, Algebra II, Plane Geometry, Trigonometry, Basic Math I, Basic Math II. 6 class-room hours daily. My nephew who works at Northern Arizona University was shocked; he said nation-wide teaching load is about 4 to 4-1/2 hours daily. What an experience!

The students liked me, possibly because I was up-front from the very beginning. The very first day, I told them I was NOT a teacher, but rather an Engineer. Soon, after having been adequately "tested", in their own minds, they began confiding in me, many individually. The other teachers, all long-term employees there, quickly learned this, and just as quickly showed their dislike for me. The students for the most part, would not tell the old hard-core teachers the time of day!


I could tell several hair-raising tales about this teaching experience, but shall not, unless asked to. imp
 
drifter said:
It's been a long time since I've looked at any of those statistics but other than the Civil War, the meanest, roughest junkyard dog to come down the pike was that Viet Nam thing. I always felt the McCarthy years were similar to the Civil War in how it decided the country. I didn't get all the argument of that period because I was in Frozen Chosen trying to keep my feet and hands warm.
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My sympathies, Drifter. Chosen was a baddy for sure. Nam should never have happened. Fear and Paranoia.
 
Lon said:
This Is Not A Well Known Fact
More Americans were killed in the U.S. Civil War, 1861- 1865 (620,000) than in all the wars since then.

War of 1812 -----------20,000
Mexican American War 1846-----13,283
Spanish American War 1898-----2,446
WW 1 1917-------116,000
WW 2 1941-------416,000
Korea 1950-------36,914
Viet Nam 1964---58,169
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One of those "fighting the last war" situations. As in WWI, the generals were not aware of just how destructive the fire power of newer weapons had become. Leaders on both sides were taught Napoleonic tactics at West Point. Line 'em up in close order, blaze away, and charge in with the bayonet.
 
Ralphy1 said:
Now you can add the numbers for Afghanistan and Iraq if we ever stop counting...
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Yeah. Those poor guys are really forgotten. Despite the "Hero" wanna' be adds by the army, many joined up as the only way to get an education or simply make a few bucks, "Be all you can be". They never mention that that includes "dead".
 

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